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Schafer addresses farm bill, Canadian BSE, Cuban trade

Tam

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PORKER said:
Yanuck, It's Not Canada's Fault .. It's the PACKING PLANT and the USDA/FSIS fault .They are The FIREWALL , They say. Guess what?
This isn't the first time either. We have Homegrown US Cattle too that is carrying the same crap. I wish Ron had his live BSE urine test ready.


Who's fault is it that the cows were hauled to the packing plant, the USDA, the packing plant, trucker or the producer that called the trucker to have them hauled away to get a few bucks for his downers? You can try blame anyone you want but the fact is the first firewall should be the PRODUCERS, if they weren't trying to get a buck out of their sick downer cattle then the packing plants would not have them in there facilities!!!!!
 

Yanuck

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PORKER said:
Yanuck, It's Not Canada's Fault .. It's the PACKING PLANT and the USDA/FSIS fault .They are The FIREWALL , They say. Guess what?
This isn't the first time either. We have Homegrown US Cattle too that is carrying the same crap. I wish Ron had his live BSE urine test ready.

So then why even bring Canadian cattle into the discussion?

My thought is that a few dairy animals may have been imported from our neighbors to the north as dairy herd replacement heifers during 2002-3. bse assumption's by FSIS could be the reasons of total recall from Chino

ScoringAg, AcoringAg, ScoringAg, ScoringAg, ScoringAg, (just helping you out is case everyone isn't aware of ScoringAg and what it can do!) :)
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
PORKER said:
Yanuck, It's Not Canada's Fault .. It's the PACKING PLANT and the USDA/FSIS fault .They are The FIREWALL , They say. Guess what?
This isn't the first time either. We have Homegrown US Cattle too that is carrying the same crap. I wish Ron had his live BSE urine test ready.


Who's fault is it that the cows were hauled to the packing plant, the USDA, the packing plant, trucker or the producer that called the trucker to have them hauled away to get a few bucks for his downers? You can try blame anyone you want but the fact is the first firewall should be the PRODUCERS, if they weren't trying to get a buck out of their sick downer cattle then the packing plants would not have them in there facilities!!!!!

There are no regulations against selling downers
There are no regulations against buying downers
There are no regualtions against transporting downers
There ARE regulations against processing downers

What is the arguement?
 

Tam

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
PORKER said:
Yanuck, It's Not Canada's Fault .. It's the PACKING PLANT and the USDA/FSIS fault .They are The FIREWALL , They say. Guess what?
This isn't the first time either. We have Homegrown US Cattle too that is carrying the same crap. I wish Ron had his live BSE urine test ready.


Who's fault is it that the cows were hauled to the packing plant, the USDA, the packing plant, trucker or the producer that called the trucker to have them hauled away to get a few bucks for his downers? You can try blame anyone you want but the fact is the first firewall should be the PRODUCERS, if they weren't trying to get a buck out of their sick downer cattle then the packing plants would not have them in there facilities!!!!!

There are no regulations against selling downers
There are no regulations against buying downers
There are no regualtions against transporting downers
There ARE regulations against processing downers

What is the arguement?

So you are telling us that US producers have to have legal regulations to practice common sence to protect your own industry? This is just another excuse to blame someone else and not hold yourself accountable :roll:
 

Mike

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Tam, If a cow is healthy when she leaves the farm, yet becomes a downer due to slipping, mistreatment, etc., etc. , should that be blamed on the producer?

Downers don't leave the farm for a packing house as downers.

Sale barns don't accept downers, neither do packers.
 

Yanuck

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Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
PORKER said:
Yanuck, It's Not Canada's Fault .. It's the PACKING PLANT and the USDA/FSIS fault .They are The FIREWALL , They say. Guess what?
This isn't the first time either. We have Homegrown US Cattle too that is carrying the same crap. I wish Ron had his live BSE urine test ready.


Who's fault is it that the cows were hauled to the packing plant, the USDA, the packing plant, trucker or the producer that called the trucker to have them hauled away to get a few bucks for his downers? You can try blame anyone you want but the fact is the first firewall should be the PRODUCERS, if they weren't trying to get a buck out of their sick downer cattle then the packing plants would not have them in there facilities!!!!!

There are no regulations against selling downers
There are no regulations against buying downers
There are no regualtions against transporting downers
There ARE regulations against processing downers

What is the arguement?
When we lived in Nebraska, the sale barn I worked at, the rule was if it couldn't walk off the trailer on its own steam, the owner took it home, no exceptions
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Tam, If a cow is healthy when she leaves the farm, yet becomes a downer due to slipping, mistreatment, etc., etc. , should that be blamed on the producer?

Downers don't leave the farm for a packing house as downers.

Sale barns don't accept downers, neither do packers.

If the way the producer allowed the trucker to load the truck had something to do with the reason the animal was healthy going on and a downer shortly after coming off. then I say yes.

Now answer this, if the so called healthy animal is injured during transport should the packer or the USDA be blamed for that? As long as you have the packers and the USDA to blame the others in the chain can rest easy and take no responiblity for their treatment of the animal.
 

Mike

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Accidents happen.......... they are the fault of no one in particular.

You've never seen a cow slip on concrete with all four legs spayed out?

It happens with holsteins. They frequently fall and never get up.

I've seen healthy young ones do it.
 

Sandhusker

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Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Who's fault is it that the cows were hauled to the packing plant, the USDA, the packing plant, trucker or the producer that called the trucker to have them hauled away to get a few bucks for his downers? You can try blame anyone you want but the fact is the first firewall should be the PRODUCERS, if they weren't trying to get a buck out of their sick downer cattle then the packing plants would not have them in there facilities!!!!!

There are no regulations against selling downers
There are no regulations against buying downers
There are no regualtions against transporting downers
There ARE regulations against processing downers

What is the arguement?

So you are telling us that US producers have to have legal regulations to practice common sence to protect your own industry? This is just another excuse to blame someone else and not hold yourself accountable :roll:

No
 

QUESTION

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In for supper sandH my cows are calving so i can't sit on the computer all day i have work to do. I cannot refute your statement healthy canadian cattle are being exported to the US so yes you are right on that one. As for testing canadian cattle- US buyers are coming up here nobody is forcing them to buy and you have an election coming so do something about it and get a law passed that every animal from canada has to be tested if slaughtered in the US. what is so hard about that? Like i mentioned before IF you are so confident that BSE positives are coming in from canada get some r-calf money and buy a few pot loads of OTM cull cows from canada and keep a chain of custody then get them test you still haven't done that. In all reality all you have to do is find 1 and you can get the border shut. Oh wait i mentioned that months ago and still nothing happened gee i wonder why :oops: Oh by the way last week one of my bull customers squared up with me and said his culls brought 51 cents a pound canadian so i don't know if r-calf could afford a couple of pot loads better hold another roll over auction. Calvinball don't you love it :p
 

Sandhusker

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Q, " I cannot refute your statement healthy canadian cattle are being exported to the US so yes you are right on that one."

Go back and read again, that's not what I said. I said healthy APPEARING.

Q, ".... get a law passed that every animal from canada has to be tested if slaughtered in the US. what is so hard about that?"

What is so hard about that? You've got to me kidding me...

Q, " Like i mentioned before IF you are so confident that BSE positives are coming in from canada get some r-calf money and buy a few pot loads of OTM cull cows from canada and keep a chain of custody then get them test you still haven't done that."

You're not aware that private BSE testing isn't allowed down here?

Q, "In all reality all you have to do is find 1 and you can get the border shut."

In all reality, that has already happened and the border isn't shut.

You still haven't explained how healthy APPEARING BSE positive cattle are being stopped from entering the US or the US's food supply. Think about that the next time you check cows and try again.....
 
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Anonymous

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PORKER said:
There is a serious problem with our food safety system," said Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.

Thats My Congressman at work !!!

Well Porker its a good thing that Stupak is there- if it was left up to the minority leader of that subcommittee-Shimkus of Illinois- they'd still be trying to figure out what a cow is :shock: What a dummy !!!! :(

One thing that I thought was interesting when I watched the hearing the other day- was that FSIS Director Dr. Raymond testified that normal practice is that any cow determined a downer/non ambulatory at any of their slaughter houses is euthanized and then BSE samples are taken- as the current testing program is centered around the higher risk cattle....So there still is a testing program going on...

Also interestingly he testified that the Vet at the Westland/Hallmark plant disallowed 10-20 head a day from being processed- usually on the carcass examination... Must have been slaughtering some real top quality stuff :roll: :wink: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Looks like this has given the HSUS the ammo they were looking for- and again when the industry/government(USDA) is not proactive, the government/people react- and like usual they will probably overreact.... :(

General News
Legislators pose animal handling legislation

By Janie Gabbett on 3/17/2008 for Meatingplace.com




Three U.S. Senators proposed legislation that would pose stiff fines and shut down slaughter facilities that repeatedly process downed animals illegally.

The bill, co-sponsored by Senators Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), would give the USDA additional authority to fine first-time offenders, hand down a one-year suspension for a second violation, and permanently shut down a facility with a third violation.

The bill also would require the USDA to release the names of establishments that have received recalled products, which has been a bone of contention since the Hallmark/Westland Meat Packing Co. 143 million-pound recall. USDA posed the rule change two years ago, but it has yet to be approved.

Meanwhile, in an attempt to head off a Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) ballot petition in November, Colorado State Senator Jim Isgar has posed legislation in the Colorado General Assembly that would limit sow and veal calf confinement.

And in California, HSUS has collected enough signatures for a November ballot initiative that would ban sow and veal calf crates, as well as chicken crates in layer operation. If passed, the law would take effect in 2015.
 

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