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Scientists: Pace of Climate Change Exceeds Estimates

per

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The eastern slopes of Alberta has exponentially more trees now than one hundred years ago according to the photo record. The beetle problem is more a result of more trees and more fire fighting keeping the age class of the trees older as opposed to mixed. The preferred food for the Mountain Pine Beetle is an 80 to 120 year old tree. Exactly the age of the average pine stand in Alberta. As BMR points out we are in the longest, coldest winter in some time. There are reports daily from scientists that are of a different camp. There is record of barley and other cereal crops grown in what is now permafrost in Iceland. Carbon dioxide is what plants use for food. Not saying we shouldn't be concerned but just like I just did, it seems some scientists and politicians and folks do a lot of cherry picking to forward their cause.
 

movin' on

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Reminds me of Henny Penny

The sky is falling, is falling, is falling
Oh my what a terrible thing
We've got to hurry, to hurry, to hurry
We've got to tell the king...........Sqwuack!!

Global Warming :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Mike

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Voodoo

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/GW_voodoo.pdf

There are no standards for collecting climate data. There are no qualifications to be a "Climatologist".

Politicians will go with the theory that is the most popular at the moment.

All except Senator Inhofe.
 

burnt

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Climate change? Of course. Always has been, always will be.

Anthropogenic warming? Yaaaawn. Not so much.

http://www.sepp.org/publications/NIPCC-Feb%2020.pdf

Note the list of contributors.
 

kolanuraven

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The whole deal is a marketing mess.


Calling it Global Warming is the issue here.


Not enough people have the smarts to realize as the ocean currents change.....some areas will be colder and some will be warmer for a geological short period of time.

Glacial melt increases, changes the salt content of the water and the temp, that water then changes it's position in the oceans water column, thus causing a change in the ocean currents that warm and cool our planet.

Global Change is the correct title of what is happening to the world.
 

Mike

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burnt said:
Climate change? Of course. Always has been, always will be.

Anthropogenic warming? Yaaaawn. Not so much.

http://www.sepp.org/publications/NIPCC-Feb%2020.pdf

Note the list of contributors.

Excellent paper, and written by very well respected representatives on the subject.

I'll be anxious to see what the original poster of this thread uses to disregard it.

Will she
1- Change the subject (in typical liberal fashion)
2- Denigrate the Authors?
3- Degrade the messenger?
4- Ignore the post?
5- All of the above?
 

per

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The question needs to be asked, why are we so concerned with CO2 and not VOCs and other much more harmful particulates in the atmosphere that are man made and we can do something about?
 

badaxemoo

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Mike said:
Voodoo

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/GW_voodoo.pdf

There are no standards for collecting climate data. There are no qualifications to be a "Climatologist".

Politicians will go with the theory that is the most popular at the moment.

All except Senator Inhofe.

Talk about Voodoo, Mike.

You've just proven yourself scientifically illiterate.

You're talented at zipping around the internet and culling a few disconnected points to try and prove your point, but do you really want to cite this laughable journal for evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Century_Science_and_Technology

Get yourself down to the local community college and register for a course in science.

Any type of science.
 
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badaxemoo said:
Mike said:
Voodoo

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202007/GW_voodoo.pdf

There are no standards for collecting climate data. There are no qualifications to be a "Climatologist".

Politicians will go with the theory that is the most popular at the moment.

All except Senator Inhofe.

Talk about Voodoo, Mike.

You've just proven yourself scientifically illiterate.

You're talented at zipping around the internet and culling a few disconnected points to try and prove your point, but do you really want to cite this laughable journal for evidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Century_Science_and_Technology

Get yourself down to the local community college and register for a course in science.

Any type of science.

Lyndon LaRouche- eh :???: :shock: - Yep Badax- I gotta agree, Mikes choice of global warming advisors leaves a little to be desired....

While not a real believer in global warming- I am a believer that we have constant periods of climate change...The thing I'm unsure of is how much man influences it- altho I do believe there definitely is an influence....

The sorry thing- is that in years back, you could go to your governments scientific advisors- who for the most part were unbiased and left alone by politics- and get your answers on many scientific issues....
But since the reign of Bush/Cheney and their big footprint stymying science and research- and outright censorship of the government scientific employees- that has changed....
 
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Anonymous

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reader (the Second) said:
A large number of experts in climatology from the top research universities and government labs tell us there is global change happening, apparently due to man's tampering with the environment.

Several of you reject it out of hand, but cannot cite REPUTABLE sources to the contrary, nor do you even acknowledge the opinions of the scientists who bring increasing evidence to this issue.

What is the political agenda at work here? Why would you not consider the possibility that our best scientists in this area deserve your attention. Follow the issue and read and educate yourselves instead of denying outright.

One of my longtime friends is a physicist, a senior professor at a large state university, whose area is modeling weather and he says that the patterns are so outside of the norm that it cannot be explained by the usual permutations that have occurred in the past.

I'm an amateur weather buff- and in my reading one of the main issues that is causing weather change right now- and may cause a cooling for North America over the next 20-30 years- a mini ice age- is the postition the earth is in its rotation and tilt with the sun...This tilt only occurs every couple of hundred years as I remember- but we are heading into a period of it now...

The sad thing I thought was Cheney's censoring of the government scientific report on global climate change and especially when he wouldn't allow the CDC's release of what their projected effects on the US will be- shortage of potable water, increased illness, etc. etc...He "didn't want to unduly scare the public" :roll:
Some of the government scientists quit over that too....
 

movin' on

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globalwarminghoax.com

There's lots and lots of "proof" on here, R2

Kolo hit the nail on the head (did I just say that out loud?!) The earth warms and the earth cools. It's completely natural and way, way beyond our control.

Short lived geological changes are nothing to be alarmed of, just something to try and make money from.
 

kolanuraven

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movin' on said:
globalwarminghoax.com

There's lots and lots of "proof" on here, R2

Kolo hit the nail on the head (did I just say that out loud?!) The earth warms and the earth cools. It's completely natural and way, way beyond our control.

Short lived geological changes are nothing to be alarmed of, just something to try and make money from.


I did not say it was beyond our control or influence.


Yes, the planet has a natural ebb and flow .......BUT......BUT.......BUT....... you can not deny that we have increased whatever change may be naturally happening with our pollution, garbage and junk in the waters, in the soil and in the atmosphere.


Do I think 'man' is an additive to this...YES by all means.

Do I think that 'man' can change things, slow it down .....YES to some degree

I think we all should show respect to our house, the planet earth.


Look at like your own personal house, you keep coming in a taking whizz in the kitchen sink.....some body's gonna get sick!!!!
 

badaxemoo

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movin' on said:
globalwarminghoax.com

There's lots and lots of "proof" on here, R2

Kolo hit the nail on the head (did I just say that out loud?!) The earth warms and the earth cools. It's completely natural and way, way beyond our control.

Short lived geological changes are nothing to be alarmed of, just something to try and make money from.

I challenge you to find a university-sponsored website that makes the same claims.

The human-contribution-to-global-warming-deniers are in the same vein as the creationists. You can find all sorts of evolution skeptics on the internet, but find me one accredited university biology department that supports creationist theory and I will eat my boot.

The truth is that the vast number of climatologists state that global warming is happening and that anthropogenic carbon emissions are a driving force.

To not see the spike in atmospheric CO2 levels that coincides with the industrial revolution and appears to be headed off into unknown levels is an act of willful ignorance.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=87
 

Sandhusker

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Badaze, "You can find all sorts of evolution skeptics on the internet, but find me one accredited university biology department that supports creationist theory and I will eat my boot. "

ORU, BYU
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
The sorry thing- is that in years back, you could go to your governments scientific advisors- who for the most part were unbiased and left alone by politics- and get your answers on many scientific issues....
But since the reign of Bush/Cheney and their big footprint stymying science and research- and outright censorship of the government scientific employees- that has changed....

Like what? You could ask the scientist if we came from Monkey's? How far back can we go to trust them, is the earth flat? How about the Ice Age? How about SARS? How about Bird Flu? How about computer scientist on Y2K?

Science like everything else has turned into big business! How you think Global Warming scientist get paid? They make money from grants, all they have to do is say the sky is falling and we need to study it and liberal loons are there to hand them billions. You got to give Gore credit he was a non scientist that figured out how to get rich off of their scam!
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
The sorry thing- is that in years back, you could go to your governments scientific advisors- who for the most part were unbiased and left alone by politics- and get your answers on many scientific issues....
But since the reign of Bush/Cheney and their big footprint stymying science and research- and outright censorship of the government scientific employees- that has changed....

Like what? You could ask the scientist if we came from Monkey's? How far back can we go to trust them, is the earth flat? How about the Ice Age? How about SARS? How about Bird Flu? How about computer scientist on Y2K?

Science like everything else has turned into big business! How you think Global Warming scientist get paid? They make money from grants, all they have to do is say the sky is falling and we need to study it and liberal loons are there to hand them billions. You got to give Gore credit he was a non scientist that figured out how to get rich off of their scam!

So you believe the private industry scientists more :???: Those that always seem to be able to bend science to fit their Corporate employers interests :???:

Not me- I'll trust the grant folks- and even the government employees more if the politicians/bureaucrats stay out of their business....
 
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