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I thought this was a good exchange. Hopefully SD will set the course for several more states and ban all abortions except to save the mothers life.

2 Responses to “Numbers Don’t Lie — Zogby Poll on South Dakota’s Abortion Ban”
Kristin Says:

October 9th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
Hello,

This is the first time I have ever posted, but I read your site frequently. I commend you on your efforts at fighting abortion, even though I am fiercly pro-choice. I enjoy seeing peaceful and strategical protests, as some pro-lifers are extremely violent.

As for voting for the House Bill 1215, I would definitely vote against it. I am not from South Dakota though, so that doesn’t apply to me at this point in time. I find it very important for abortion to remain legal.

I do respect your opinion and point of view, but as I said earlier, my point of view is different. I would rather a safe and legal first trimester abortion take place than a mother to come home and find her 14 year-old daughter dead from trying to abort her pregnancy herself. It seems that you only view women as incubators, and not as actual people with feelings. Abortion is not pretty and not pleasant, but it is important that it remain legal, to prevent women of all ages from trying to abort themselves and ending up dead. Do you all have sympathy in these cases, or do you feel they deserved to die since they were trying to ‘murder’ the fetus? Just a thought.

Theresa Says:

October 16th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
You kept your post polite so I’ll try my best to do the same- even though it absolutely disgusts me.
You first mistake is the egregious stereotype you make in your first paragraph. It’s true, not all pro-lifers are peaceful, but you also forgetting that the sword is double edged. Many pro-choicers are violent as well. Why do we never hear about this? Our liberal media, of course. Perfect examples: “Did you hear anything from the national news media when pro-abortion activist Eileen Orstein Janezic shot pro-life activist minister and radio talk show host Jerry Simon through his living room window? After killing Simon, she held police at bay with a pistol for six hours while spouting quotes from Anton LaVey’s “Satanic Bible.” In 1994, a jury found her guilty of murder and sentenced her to life in prison. During her trial, she admitted that she had shot Simon to prove her love of Satan.” or how about “Did you hear anything when pro-abortionist Byron Looper, who was running against pro-life state Senator Tommy Burks for a political office, shot him through the left eye with a large-caliber pistol? After he murdered Burks, Looper boasted that “I did it, man, I did it! I killed that dude.”" (http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/0.HTM#SECT1) The job of the pro-abortion media is not to portray their own kind in a bad light, so they make sure that everyone knows when the pro-life movement messes up. It’s an unfair stereotype against us, but have no fear; it won’t slow us down!
I must say, I find your excuse for abortion to remain legal rather trite and pathetic. Abortion safe?! Kristin, you have been sadly deceived. Have you ever entered a medical facility with a dead rodent on the floor in plain view and the staff ignored it? Have you been in a doctor’s office where high-school-aged staff recorded patient information onto notebook paper? Have you been taken into a smelly surgical room with equipment set up on the floor instead of on a counter? Have you been in a surgical room using kitchen equipment, with picnic tablecloths and no disposable bed covering? Have you ever been in a surgical room that had an old dirty carpet instead of a shiny sparkling linoleum floor? Have you had a pelvic exam done in a poorly lit room by a doctor with dirty hands, hair, and clothing? Have you been in a medical facility where the staff lacks medical training? Have you been in a doctor’s office with roaches on the counter? Have you been to a doctor who had never studied the medical specialty he was performing? Have you begun any surgery by pulling your pants down, instead of removing clothes and donning a gown? I kid you not, these have all occured at abortion clinics and have never been reported. (thanks to Kansans for Life for the great information!) Not to mention that the abortion process in general is an unsafe procedure. People seem to think that if it is “legal”, it is safe. Wrong, wrong, WRONG! Just ask the families of these women, who have all died from your so called “safe” procedure. (visit this website: http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/maternaldeaths.html
*NOTE this is only a PARTIAL list of women- there are many more…
You know, our generation is a little confused. We seem to think that it is okay for teenagers to be promiscuous and experiment with sex all they would like. Abortion only encourages this sex. Instead of petitioning to keep abortion legal, petition to your children and to children everywhere the rewards of saving sex until marriage. I am 16 years old; I personally take it as an insult that adults do not have any faith in teenagers to hold sexual desires until the right time. They assume all of us have no personal restraint. Thankfully, I have been raised by two wonderful parents who have encouraged values of love and respect. They have taught me that a marriage is successful if you save yourself for your future spouse. The 14 year-old you mention in your little scenario above obviously was not as blessed as I was. But this is still no reason for the legality of abortion. If she happened to get pregnant and had an abortion, the only thing you would be teaching her is that the sex she had was okay, it could be undone, and killing her child is acceptable. NO. Abortion is not a band-aid and it doesn’t make you unpregnant. It only makes you the mother of a dead baby.
To say that we view women only as incubators and not with feelings is extremely ironic. The only harsh, unfeeling people I see are on your side of the sword, the abortionists and pro-choice activists. Just listen to Reformed pro-abortion activist Raymond Rivera: “I was told to antagonize the pro-lifers and I made the girls throw out any pro-life literature before entering the clinic. … We would tell them, “Those people out there are terrorists, it’s safer in here. They’re crazy.” I even told one group, “That woman out there was just released from Meadowview Mental Hospital. Don’t talk to her; she killed her family. Pro-abortionists displayed sex toys in front of children and dumped semen and urine on people at national rescues. I personally defaced churches, LIFE, Inc., and HopeNet. Pro-abortionists are the terrorists, not the pro-lifers. They’re the ones throwing bricks through people’s windows and doing obscene things.”" (http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/0.HTM) It seems that abortionists only view pregnant women as money- Once they see a living being on the ultra-sound or a positive line on a pregnancy test, dollar signs pop into their eyes and they don’t even bother telling the women about their other, safer, more peaceful choices.
I hope you understand all of my points. I firmly believe that one day, you along with the rest of the pro-choice movement will see the error of your ways. And when that day comes, I won’t be there to say “I told you so”, but to forgive you, love you, and pray for you. I’ll pray for you now, that God will give you the grace to open up your heart to life. I just don’t understand how so many people have let the devil take ahold of their hearts. I’m sure God is weeping for our pitiful nation. But we are praying, Kristin. And my generation is becoming more and more pro-life. You will not stop us. And I will not stop being silent. God is listening to our prayers and is slowly answering- an abortion clinic closes here, one there, another, a pro-choice converts, and now South Dakota may ban abortion altogether. Our prayer is powerful! The devil will not win this fight…goodness always prevails!
And to answer your last question, yes, we do have sympathy. We are mourning their loss, their child’s loss, and the loss of our nation’s morals. What kind of nation of nation promotes the horrific idea that our children are disposable? Just a thought…
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