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SD Gov. dropped the ball on this one

Liberty Belle

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S.D. Governor Halts Execution of Killer
Aug 29, 2006
By JOE KAFKA
Associated Press Writer


PIERRE, S.D. (AP) - Gov. Mike Rounds halted South Dakota's first execution in 59 years just hours before it was scheduled Tuesday, saying the state law detailing how to administer lethal drugs is obsolete.

Elijah Page, 24, had asked to be put to death by lethal injection for the 2000 torture murder of a Spearfish man. It had been scheduled for 10 p.m.

Rounds and Attorney General Larry Long said that a 1984 law requires the state to use two drugs to kill a condemned person _ but state prison officials planned to use the standard three-drug combination, putting them at legal risk.

"I will not have the individuals responsible for carrying out this execution to be placed in a position to where they would be or could be in violation of a state statute in the carrying out of an execution," Rounds said. "We could have had people wondering for the rest of their lives if they did the right thing."

The delay is in place until July 1, 2007, he said. That would give lawmakers time during the next legislative session to review the law and bring it into line with most other states that use lethal injection.

Rounds said he learned of the legal problem last week after reading an Aug. 14 transcript of a competency hearing for Page. Another death row inmate also raised the issue in June as part of his appeal.

Rounds said he asked for a review by Long, who didn't report back until Tuesday afternoon _ about five hours before the planned execution. Long said Page had agreed to waive the two-drug protocol.

Page this year persuaded a judge to let him fire his lawyer and proceed with his execution for his role in the 2000 slaying of Chester Allan Poage, 19.

Page and two other young men killed Poage in the Black Hills so that there would be no witness to the theft of a Chevy Blazer, stereo, television, coin collection, video game and other items from the victim's home.

As Poage begged for his life, the three men made him take off most of his clothes and forced him into an icy creek. They stabbed him repeatedly, kicked him in the head 30 to 40 times, tearing his ears off, and then bashed him with large rocks. He was also forced to drink a combination of drain cleaner and beer. The torture lasted at least two hours.

Page and Briley Piper, 25, pleaded guilty, and a judge sentenced them to die. The third man, Darrell Hoadley, 26, was convicted and sentenced to life in prison with no parole.

Page's case was considered unusual because a judge, not a jury, imposed the death sentence, he had asked to die, and because of his age. Death penalty groups said only seven people younger than 25 had been executed in the United States since the U.S. Supreme Court allowed capital punishment to resume in 1976.

The last execution in South Dakota was in 1947.

Also Tuesday, an Oklahoma inmate was executed under a revised state procedure aimed at minimizing pain by delivering a larger dose of anesthesia before the fatal drugs are administered.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=880205
 

Faster horses

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I'd make him drinkk the same drain cleaner he made the victim drink.
That should make him good and sorry he took someone's life.
We're way too easy on these bas***ds.
 

Jinglebob

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I see you are Old testement Christains. An eye for an eye, and all that.

Yes, he did wrong and it was more than terrible, but when we do the same, are we any better than them?

I believe it was Jesus who said, "I come to bring a new covenant". Didn't he cover this issue?
 

Red Robin

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Jinglebob said:
Didn't he cover this issue?
Not in my opinion. I can't speak for everyone else in this thread but like I covered with elwapo, there's a difference between murder and justice.

Here's what kirby anderson says.
http://www.probe.org/content/view/68/91/
 

Jinglebob

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Red Robin said:
Jinglebob said:
Didn't he cover this issue?
Not in my opinion. I can't speak for everyone else in this thread but like I covered with elwapo, there's a difference between murder and justice.

Here's what kirby anderson says.
http://www.probe.org/content/view/68/91/

Seems to me like I remember something he said about, "if my enemy smites me on one cheek, I will turn the other cheek to him."

I suppose that only applies to somebody hitting you on the cheek, huh? :roll:
 

Red Robin

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Why the sarcasm Jinglebob? I posted the link which in part explained my views from a Christian viewpoint and addressed Christ's statement from the sermon on the mount. If you are against capital punishment , I'm not trying to change your mind. I do wonder if you've ever known a man who wouldn't kill someone who violently murdered their son. Hopefully none of us will ever have to face that.
 

Jinglebob

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Red Robin said:
Why the sarcasm Jinglebob? I posted the link which in part explained my views from a Christian viewpoint and addressed Christ's statement from the sermon on the mount. If you are against capital punishment , I'm not trying to change your mind. I do wonder if you've ever known a man who wouldn't kill someone who violently murdered their son. Hopefully none of us will ever have to face that.

Yes, I think I too would kill anyone who harmed or tried to harm my family. But that is not justice, that is reaction, or revenge. We live by laws and rules of justice. Supposedly. I don't believe in killing humans, except to defend yourself, family or country. Besides, I'd rather see them live until God decides that they have suffered enough. And I do believe that in prison, in general population, they truely are suffering. Killing them makes it too easy for them.

As we have discussed in another post, death is not the worst thing in life.
 

Faster horses

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I don't know, Jinglebob, if prisoners are suffering all that much.
The ACLU in Montana keeps it interesting. In the prison town we lived
in, the prison was jokingly referred to as "The Deer Lodge Hotel."

I know for a fact they can get CD's, stereos, recreation, library and and the time to read how to create lawsuits, which they do on a regular basis. They get health care they didn't have until incarcinated, dentist, eyecare.
Some of those guys that write bad checks and are put in, wait til winter and write some more bad checks. Beats paying rent...
 

Jinglebob

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Faster horses said:
I don't know, Jinglebob, if prisoners are suffering all that much.
The ACLU in Montana keeps it interesting. In the prison town we lived
in, the prison was jokingly referred to as "The Deer Lodge Hotel."

I know for a fact they can get CD's, stereos, recreation, library and and the time to read how to create lawsuits, which they do on a regular basis. They get health care they didn't have until incarcinated, dentist, eyecare.
Some of those guys that write bad checks and are put in, wait til winter and write some more bad checks. Beats paying rent...

Yeah and that big buddy and his friends who take turns using you for sexual gratifacation, must be lots of fun too! :roll:
 

Steve

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I see you are Old testement Christains. An eye for an eye, and all that.

Yes, he did wrong and it was more than terrible, but when we do the same, are we any better than them?

Interesting point, ...On Sunday I shall "pray" that God sets actions in motion to directly deal with this,,,,,thus letting GOD's will be done.....

As a Christian, I must let GOD decide, and abide by the actions, of those he sets to a task, so now that I prayed, I must have faith that GOD hardened the judge's heart, and set these actions in motion, to object would then be against my faith that GOD's will is being done, "unless I was told to intervene"......until then I will ask for forgiveness of my inaction,....



I believe we were released from sin, not responsiblity or biblical law, so I should strive to follow the law as presented...



and as we have a "secular" goverment , I would "expect" the laws be abided, and followed....

thus I support these sick bastards going directly to GOD so he can be Judged....
 

Jinglebob

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Steve said:
I see you are Old testement Christains. An eye for an eye, and all that.

Yes, he did wrong and it was more than terrible, but when we do the same, are we any better than them?

Interesting point, ...On Sunday I shall "pray" that God sets actions in motion to directly deal with this,,,,,thus letting GOD's will be done.....

As a Christian, I must let GOD decide, and abide by the actions, of those he sets to a task, so now that I prayed, I must have faith that GOD hardened the judge's heart, and set these actions in motion, to object would then be against my faith that GOD's will is being done, "unless I was told to intervene"......until then I will ask for forgiveness of my inaction,....



I believe we were released from sin, not responsiblity or biblical law, so I should strive to follow the law as presented...



and as we have a "secular" goverment , I would "expect" the laws be abided, and followed....

thus I support these sick bastards going directly to GOD so he can be Judged....

Well that's sure OK with me, if thats the way you feel. A free country is great isn't it?

Even if I don't agree with you on the deatyh penalty, I respect your right to feel that way.

Good thing we aren't run by them sheet heads over across the water, or neither of us would have a right to our viewpoint.
 

Frankk

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Red Robin said:
Jinglebob said:
Didn't he cover this issue?
Not in my opinion. I can't speak for everyone else in this thread but like I covered with elwapo, there's a difference between murder and justice.

Here's what kirby anderson says.
http://www.probe.org/content/view/68/91/

Kirby failed to mention Rom. 12: 17---21 also Deuteronomy 21: 18--21 this one may be hard to follow.
 

Red Robin

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Frank are you nonresistant? I don't see how you can quote the verse from Romans and put the interpretation on it you have without being nonresistant. How about you Jinglebob? I think I've heard you mention support for the war in Iraq? True?
 

Steve

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If it be possible, ......., live peaceably with all men,......

is it possible to Live Peacebly with these three men?...if not what is our guidence.....

"Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head

by us acting in GOD's will the enemy is damned?


"Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.



seems as if the bible has wisdom beyond ours.....

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Frankk

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Red Robin, I intend to follow the teaching presented in the Bible as close as possible. Roman 12 is part of it. I haven't been tested as of late on these verses. maybe because I try to live at peace with all men. I cannot imagine a more sever punishment than the Lord taking vengence on someone on by behalf. nothing the government or I could do would come close.
 

Jinglebob

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Red Robin said:
How about you Jinglebob? I think I've heard you mention support for the war in Iraq? True?

I covered that above.

The man that they didn't kill in this state, is not where he can do anyone any harm. If he is, kill him to protect those who can't protect themselves.

If not, let him suffer for years until he dies.
 

Southdakotahunter

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i got no prob with this guy rotting in jail the rest of his life, and no prob with him being put to death. I do have a prob with how the gov handled this issue. Our attorney general knew about this problem along time ago and didnt do nothin about it. This wouldnt be an issue if we would have said we cant kill this clown right away instead of waiting until the final couple hours.
 
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