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Second E coli outbreak linked to meat from Nebraska Beef

RobertMac

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Worked for me...if I had not taken the polio vaccine, I would have been in a wheel chair...that's what the doctors told my mother.

Not sure if an E.Coli 0157:H7 vaccine would be the answer...can it be that specific?

Has anyone tested 0157:H7 levels with GM vs. non-GM corn?

Cornell U. showed that feeding hay for a few days before slaughter greatly reduced bacteria numbers in the digestive tract! :roll:

Kathy said:
...the "irradiation" process is mutating and aiding the growth of "radioresistant" bacteria like e coli 0157:H7.

I thought 0157:H7 was a product of acid rumen? :???:
 

Ben Roberts

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RobertMac said:
Worked for me...if I had not taken the polio vaccine, I would have been in a wheel chair..


.that's what the doctors told my mother. quote]

Polio, is a virus disease that appears in cycles. Polio was at the top of its cycle, when the vaccine was developed, so with the reduction of infections, the vaccine was seen as a cure for the disease.

I'm not going to deny that some Polio victims died, from complications of Polio, but the vaccine was the killer not the disease.

I believe that before the development of any vaccine, we should understand and know the cycle of the virus/bacteria, and then we can control the virus/bacteria in a natural way. Other than paying some pharmaceutical company millions, for the development of a vaccine.
 

Mike

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Ben Roberts said:
Sandhusker said:
Ben Roberts said:
Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building!

So are animals with hair, mud, manure....

When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years.

EPA.GOV

E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef.
 

Ben Roberts

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Mike said:
Ben Roberts said:
Sandhusker said:
So are animals with hair, mud, manure....

When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years.

EPA.GOV

E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef.

Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't.

We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!
 
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Ben Roberts said:
Mike said:
Ben Roberts said:
When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years.

EPA.GOV

E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef.

Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't.

We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!

Ben- You don't sound like a proponent of Bigger, Better, Faster :???: :wink:

My Dad and Sister used to eat more raw hamburger than they did cooked- but those were beeves we butchered out in the backyard ourselves- and hung and cut at the local locker plant...

But I can remember reaching down and throwing a manure hunk out of the milk bucket when it fell in- and straining the rest of the big hunks with a dishcloth- and drinking the warm skim milk as it came out of the seperator...I'd never even heard of e-coli ....
 

Sandhusker

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Ben, "Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't. We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!"

I can see where you're coming from.... I'm not as old as you, but did we really change feeding then?

Also, if you've got certain plants or certain classes of plants with e-coli problems and others with no problems, you've got a clue that you can't ignore.
 

Ben Roberts

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Sandhusker said:
Ben, "Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't. We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!"

I can see where you're coming from.... I'm not as old as you, but did we really change feeding then?

Also, if you've got certain plants or certain classes of plants with e-coli problems and others with no problems, you've got a clue that you can't ignore.

We have changed the way we feed cattle, we have gone from farmer feedlots to factory feedlots.

Monsanto's Roundup ready GMO's, do you know how they were developed?
 

Ben Roberts

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RobertMac said:
Ben, are you saying 0157:H7 is a result of sub-therapeutically antibiotics?

Sub-therapeutically antibiotics and factory feedlots go hand & hand. Then with the use of GMO grains, I believe cattle fed under those conditions, would be very difficult to produce beef that we could market as a wholesome, healthy, nutritious product. Producers don't want it, consumers don't it, so why do they still do it. Could it be $$$$$$$$$$$$$

RobertMac, you and I live miles apart, but we still have the same consumers. Last year I sold 122 head of cattle in the meat, this year i'll sell more. Natural beef, no antibiotics no GMO grain, and you can eat the ground beef raw with-out fear.
 

RobertMac

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Ben said:
RobertMac, you and I live miles apart, but we still have the same consumers. Last year I sold 122 head of cattle in the meat, this year i'll sell more. Natural beef, no antibiotics no GMO grain, and you can eat the ground beef raw with-out fear.

Exactly...what my customers want is safe beef. What has convinced me is that since I got my herd established on a 100% forage diet, I have had zero vet cost, zero supplement cost and better efficiency and production with a higher net return. I can't see how there could be a better win-win situation.
 

Ben Roberts

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RobertMac, my cattle are not grass fed, they are fed on grass, with only grain that we raise on our farm.

We are going to see more and more E. coli outbreaks in the future! From feedlots that feed GMO grains. THANK YOU MONSANTO

Where are our cattlemen's organizations ? They, are in Washington D.C.
 

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