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Second question?

nonothing

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Why do things like what a mans preacher believes or wife says matter so much?Why does being a POW make you a better candidate to run a country..Why does leaving ones wife and remarry make him a bad chioce..Why does race,age or gender matter?..the country needs a good solid leader and why would any good person even want to go through the silly scrutiny of a presidential race...The reason your choices are so bleak is it is so much about the persons past life and thoughs around them then if they are even right for the job themselves...How can anyone say Obama would be a bad leader,they have not even let him out of the gate without pounding his family.How can john mcCain be heard if all they talk about is his wife...Why not try to understand what is most important to you people is, quit frankly, the end result....You could have a good living christian leader and still have many complaints in the end,in fact you just had that....This race should be more about direction then image and it is sad that a wife and a preacher get morepress coverage then the candidates themselves...If you want to look into the past..look back at what GW did ,if your happy with his out come then vote for the one closest to status quo...if your not then vote for change....Why not look ahead rather then behind.
 

loomixguy

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I will be succinct, as there are others here far more eloquent than I.

#1. HOPE is NOT a plan.
#2. Surrender to terrorists is NOT in America's vocabulary.
#3. Hitler gave wonderful, eloquent, moving speeches, too.

McCain is far too liberal for my tastes, but, given the alternative, I will be more than happy to cancel out Old Whiner's vote in November.
 

Sandhusker

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Why does Obama's preacher have anything to do with the race?

Your preacher is a leader in your life - a teacher.
Unlike the military, you get to choose who your leader is.
You don't choose leaders who don't think like you do.
 

Larrry

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The simple fact that these questions were even asked exemplifies the thinking processes of the libs has shifted to nuetral.
 

aplusmnt

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You left out the most important question, why would being Community Organizer qualify you for President?

Obama's primary accomplishment in life is getting a bull horn to yell and load up people on a bus to go down to protest asbestos in housing projects.

Obama has spent more time working with local terrorist William Ayers organizing the Chicago community than he has spent doing anything in Washington D.C.

Obama is about as big of a Joke to the Presidency as Gore is to Global Warming. :roll:
 

Mrs.Greg

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nonothing said:
Why do things like what a mans preacher believes or wife says matter so much?Why does being a POW make you a better candidate to run a country..Why does leaving ones wife and remarry make him a bad chioce..Why does race,age or gender matter?..the country needs a good solid leader and why would any good person even want to go through the silly scrutiny of a presidential race...The reason your choices are so bleak is it is so much about the persons past life and thoughs around them then if they are even right for the job themselves...How can anyone say Obama would be a bad leader,they have not even let him out of the gate without pounding his family.How can john mcCain be heard if all they talk about is his wife...Why not try to understand what is most important to you people is, quit frankly, the end result....You could have a good living christian leader and still have many complaints in the end,in fact you just had that....This race should be more about direction then image and it is sad that a wife and a preacher get morepress coverage then the candidates themselves...If you want to look into the past..look back at what GW did ,if your happy with his out come then vote for the one closest to status quo...if your not then vote for change....Why not look ahead rather then behind.
Boy OH Boy.....it must be a Canadian thing cause I totally follow your point,all this "gossip" crap means nothing....its the political beliefs and policies they follow that SHOULD be of importance but here in ranchers political...that stuff is RARELY discussed.
 

aplusmnt

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Mrs.Greg said:
Boy OH Boy.....it must be a Canadian thing cause I totally follow your point,all this "gossip" crap means nothing....its the political beliefs and policies they follow that SHOULD be of importance but here in ranchers political...that stuff is RARELY discussed.

Obama really has no policies, he was a community organizer. Plus when it comes to Obama it is not gossip it is facts. There is not gossip about his preacher, his friend Ayers or his wife saying what she said, the are documented facts.

If you do not think who a person Associates with on a regular basis has anything to do with the kind of person he is then let your husband go hang out at the local strip club or cat house and see if you think twice about that.

People surround themselves with others of like kind, it is human nature. This message board and us participating in it are a perfect example. Obama has a shady record of who he surrounded himself with.

Another example is all the Liberals on here who Judge Bush and Cheney by the fact they associate with Oil people.

People are usually pretty transparent if you just open your eyes and know what to look for! Obama and Al Gore are two of the most transparent politicians out there, Liberals just need to open their eyes and see what is before them.
 

backhoeboogie

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nonothing said:
Why do things like what a mans preacher believes or wife says matter so much?

You have never heard, "Birds of a feather flock together?"

We decided to start visiting other churches to see if we wanted to move our membership. I saw a few preachers that I would never go see again. If Obama does not like that idiot, why would he take his family there to follow such things?
 

nonothing

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backhoeboogie said:
nonothing said:
Why do things like what a mans preacher believes or wife says matter so much?

You have never heard, "Birds of a feather flock together?"

We decided to start visiting other churches to see if we wanted to move our membership. I saw a few preachers that I would never go see again. If Obama does not like that idiot, why would he take his family there to follow such things?


See you and Aplus are not leaders,you believe in association rather then confidence....A leader will lead the rest will follow,God does not deal in politics and religon is the achilles heal of way to many countries....There is just way to much guilt invovled with religon these days....and wayyyyyyyy to much judgmental behavior from those that claim to be religous...
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
backhoeboogie said:
nonothing said:
Why do things like what a mans preacher believes or wife says matter so much?

You have never heard, "Birds of a feather flock together?"

We decided to start visiting other churches to see if we wanted to move our membership. I saw a few preachers that I would never go see again. If Obama does not like that idiot, why would he take his family there to follow such things?


See you and Aplus are not leaders,you believe in association rather then confidence....A leader will lead the rest will follow,God does not deal in politics and religon is the achilles heal of way to many countries....There is just way to much guilt invovled with religon these days....and wayyyyyyyy to much judgmental behavior from those that claim to be religous...

One important thing about being a leader is know who not to associate with! Just look at history bad leaders made the mistake of associating and taking sides with Hitler, smart leaders and countries distance themselves from such evil and crazy men. Leaders make smart decisions and the first one is to know who is good association and who is bad.

As for guilt, the problems of the world today are not due to people having to much guilt, it has due to permissive attitudes that anything is ok and you should not feel guilty for things you do that are wrong. Guilt is a large part of knowing right from wrong.

If you have a child you want him know the feeling of guilt, every kid will be tempted to do something that is wrong. Say he steals another kids toy and you catch him. You want to hope he feels guilt for doing such a thing. If he has no guilt then he will never know the difference in right and wrong. He may grow up and steal cars and never feel guilty for it.

Lack of Guilt is a contributing factor to serial killers, the feel no remorse or guilt for what they do, they are missing that emotion.
 

nonothing

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
backhoeboogie said:
You have never heard, "Birds of a feather flock together?"

We decided to start visiting other churches to see if we wanted to move our membership. I saw a few preachers that I would never go see again. If Obama does not like that idiot, why would he take his family there to follow such things?


See you and Aplus are not leaders,you believe in association rather then confidence....A leader will lead the rest will follow,God does not deal in politics and religon is the achilles heal of way to many countries....There is just way to much guilt invovled with religon these days....and wayyyyyyyy to much judgmental behavior from those that claim to be religous...

One important thing about being a leader is know who not to associate with! Just look at history bad leaders made the mistake of associating and taking sides with Hitler, smart leaders and countries distance themselves from such evil and crazy men. Leaders make smart decisions and the first one is to know who is good association and who is bad.

As for guilt, the problems of the world today are not due to people having to much guilt, it has due to permissive attitudes that anything is ok and you should not feel guilty for things you do that are wrong. Guilt is a large part of knowing right from wrong.

If you have a child you want him know the feeling of guilt, every kid will be tempted to do something that is wrong. Say he steals another kids toy and you catch him. You want to hope he feels guilt for doing such a thing. If he has no guilt then he will never know the difference in right and wrong. He may grow up and steal cars and never feel guilty for it.

Lack of Guilt is a contributing factor to serial killers, the feel no remorse or guilt for what they do, they are missing that emotion.

Guilt is a tool of control...If your kid steals a toy teach him it is wrong to steal,not to feel guilty if he does.....If people do things out of guilt it means they really do not want to do it but feel obligated to do so..I totaly disagree with you...you are confusing a conscience with guilt...they are two different things...The last thing I want from someone I care about is to do something for me because they feel guilty ..Guilt helps no one ,it is a wasted feeling really...

As far as being a leader goes ,its more about who associats with you,then who you associate with....you can be a leader and still have friends that do bad things.......your son could say to his friend "no I am not throwing rocks at this lady's house,you can if you want but i find it strupid and uncalled for"...you dictate your actions in almost every situation your invovled in.. do you agree with everything your preacher says?...and I am not privy to what Obama thinks but I am guessing he feels more inline with your thoughts then those you quoted by his preacher.
 

Sandhusker

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Wright married Obama - he baptized both their kids. Obama was a member of his church for 20 years. Wright was in his inner circle of associates. If that doesn't tell you something about how Obama viewed Wright,......
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
Wright married Obama - he baptized both their kids. Obama was a member of his church for 20 years. Wright was in his inner circle of associates. If that doesn't tell you something about how Obama viewed Wright,......

iam sure there were many people married and baptized in the catholic churgh by priest who were doing unmentoinal things to young boys..does that mean they agree with that?and many i am sure asked them for advice and had then in for dinners and visit..
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
Wright married Obama - he baptized both their kids. Obama was a member of his church for 20 years. Wright was in his inner circle of associates. If that doesn't tell you something about how Obama viewed Wright,......

Knownothing knows nothing about the relationship of blacks with their own chosen preachers, or, for that matter, preachers who preach the black cause and are active in civil rights of blacks.

These preachers are next to God in their minds.
 

Sandhusker

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That'a a rediculous analogy, nono. If a priest was molesting a kid, it was done in secret. Wright's sermons were out there for everybody, he was even selling tapes! This guy was spewing radical crap and Obama embraced him. You need to examine that relationship and see how close they were. Like I said earlier, you don't choose leaders that you don't agree with.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Sandhusker said:
That'a a rediculous analogy, nono. If a priest was molesting a kid, it was done in secret. Wright's sermons were out there for everybody, he was even selling tapes! This guy was spewing radical crap and Obama embraced him. You need to examine that relationship and see how close they were. Like I said earlier, you don't choose leaders that you don't agree with.
I kinda of think your being ridiculous SH,for the simple fact.....Have you gone to the same church all your life? Ever had a minister,priest,whatever,you didn't really agree with but stayed with the church cause its tradition and the church you've raised to attend?

As for the Catholic priest analogy....its pretty close to the same thing,the parents may not know it,but when its found out the priest is moved to another church to do the same.The parents may not like what happened OR agree with it BUT thier support is STILL with the church.!!!!!!
 

Larrry

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Just how many of you lefties go to all the Rep functions and make donations. Make the rep party your haven for troubled times and then still vote Dem
 
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Anonymous

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Larrry said:
Just how many of you lefties go to all the Rep functions and make donations. Make the rep party your haven for troubled times and then still vote Dem

As an Independent- I used to attend both the Republican and Democrat activities...And Larrrry- did you know that they are both quite human and put their pants on the same way :???: :wink: :lol: :p

The most interesting difference I found was that the Repubs always charge much higher for their events-- like $50-$100 to eat a catered chicken salad or roast beast meal, where the Dems would charge $5 for a huge turkey, stuffing, punkin pie and all the fixings meal.....

Usually the same 30-40 old diehard Repubs at every function- where the Dems would have hundreds...I think they ended up making more in donations than the Repubs did charging the much higher price...
 

Larrry

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OT the thing I was pointing out, one does not pick a polar opposite of them and immerse themselves into this group let alone make a donation to this opposite as the Obamaniacs are trying to get everyone to believe.
 
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Larrry said:
OT the thing I was pointing out, one does not pick a polar opposite of them and immerse themselves into this group let alone make a donation to this opposite as the Obamaniacs are trying to get everyone to believe.

I didn't agree with all the Repub policies- or the Dem policies-- but I donated to both because I agreed with some of boths policies- and some of the people they offered...

If you folks are looking for any group you totally agree with- political, church or whatever-- you ain't gonna do it unless you start your own and rule it with an iron fist....
 
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