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Secret Casualities of Iraq's abandoned WMD

hypocritexposer

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The New York Times found 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers who were exposed to nerve or mustard agents after 2003. American officials said that the actual tally of exposed troops was slightly higher, but that the government’s official count was classified.

The secrecy fit a pattern. Since the outset of the war, the scale of the United States’ encounters with chemical weapons in Iraq was neither publicly shared nor widely circulated within the military. These encounters carry worrisome implications now that the Islamic State, a Qaeda splinter group, controls much of the territory where the weapons were found.

The American government withheld word about its discoveries even from troops it sent into harm’s way and from military doctors. The government’s secrecy, victims and participants said, prevented troops in some of the war’s most dangerous jobs from receiving proper medical care and official recognition of their wounds.

Congress, too, was only partly informed, while troops and officers were instructed to be silent or give deceptive accounts of what they had found. “ 'Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a recently retired Army major who was present for the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war: more than 2,400 nerve-agent rockets unearthed in 2006 at a former Republican Guard compound.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=1
 
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Anonymous

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Brad S said:
Didn't someone on here parrot the lie: "we didn't find WMD"?

Those are just the remnants of the chemical weapons we gave Saddam when he was our buddy and we wanted him to kill Iranians for us.... They were found leaking and eroding in several stash's....





Even GW has admitted the nukes and WMD's they went to war over- didn't ever exist....

Bush, who has been a stalwart defender of the war in Iraq and maintaining U.S. troop presence there, said, in retrospect, the war exceeded his expectations.
"A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein," Bush said. "It wasn't just people in my administration. A lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington, D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence."

"I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess," Bush said.

When pressed by Gibson, Bush declined to "speculate" on whether he would still have gone to war if he knew Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction.

"That is a do-over that I can't do," Bush said.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=6354012
 

Whitewing

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OldDoesn'tHaveTwoFunctioningBrianCellsToRubTogether said:
Even GW has admitted the nukes and WMD's they went to war over- didn't ever exist....

Yeah, those WMD's didn't ever exist.

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Stupidity should be painful.
 

loomixguy

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Oldtimer said:
Brad S said:
Didn't someone on here parrot the lie: "we didn't find WMD"?

Those are just the remnants of the chemical weapons we gave Saddam when he was our buddy and we wanted him to kill Iranians for us.... They were found leaking and eroding in several stash's....





Even GW has admitted the nukes and WMD's they went to war over- didn't ever exist....

Bush, who has been a stalwart defender of the war in Iraq and maintaining U.S. troop presence there, said, in retrospect, the war exceeded his expectations.
"A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein," Bush said. "It wasn't just people in my administration. A lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington, D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence."

"I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess," Bush said.

When pressed by Gibson, Bush declined to "speculate" on whether he would still have gone to war if he knew Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction.

"That is a do-over that I can't do," Bush said.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=6354012

I fail to see in what you've posted here where Bush "admitted" the WMD's didn't EVER exist.

Do you even read over the sh!t you post? Or just pull it out of your a$$ and floor the gas pedal?
 

Whitewing

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loomixguy said:
I fail to see in what you've posted here where Bush "admitted" the WMD's didn't EVER exist.

Do you even read over the sh!t you post? Or just pull it out of your a$$ and floor the gas pedal?

He pulls it out of his ass, posts it here, then floors the gas pedal while sniffing his fingernails.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Those are just the remnants of the chemical weapons we gave Saddam when he was our buddy and we wanted him to kill Iranians for us.... They were found leaking and eroding in several stash's....

WRONG

The US did not provide Iraq with any chemicals that were used in chemical weapons by Iraq.

The US provided Iraq with West Nile Virus, Botulism and Anthrax samples for medical purposes. None of these were ever weaponized by Iraq, but some were used top develop vaccines.
 
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The publicly released information also skirted the fact that most of the chemical artillery shells were traceable to the West, some tied to the United States.

These shells, which the American military calls M110s, had been developed decades ago in the United States. Roughly two feet long and weighing more than 90 pounds, each is an aerodynamic steel vessel with a burster tube in its center …

The United States also exported the shells and the technology behind them. When Iraq went arms shopping in the 1980s, it found manufacturers in Italy and Spain willing to deal their copies. By 1988, these two countries alone had sold Iraq 85,000 empty M110-type shells, according to confidential United Nations documents. Iraq also obtained shells from Belgium.

Read more at http://wonkette.com/563413/u-s-found-chemical-weapons-in-iraq-all-right-the-ones-we-gave-saddam#4t7yhfy3WgOvh4EB.99


THE US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

Classified US Defense Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.


The Senate committee's reports on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.

The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs.'

http://commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm
 

Mike

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OT. I've read all that Left Wing Bull Sh!T. And that's what it is, BS that Liberals like you will believe.

Iraq had a MASSIVE Chemical Warfare Manufacturing program and bought "Dual Purpose" chemicals from all over the world. Some was purchased from the U.S. under the guise of an "Agricultural" program by them and was even financed by the "CCC" (an Ag. lending facility in the U.S.)

You CANNOT PROVE that any "Warfare" Chemicals were sent to Iraq by the U.S. because they just weren't. They made their own.

Come down to reality. You make a fool of yourself. Again. :roll:
Project 922 was the codename for Iraq's third and most successful attempt to produce chemical and biological weapons. Within three years (1978–1981), Project 922 had gone from concept to production for first generation Iraqi chemical weapons (mustard agent). By 1984 Iraq started producing its first nerve agents, Tabun and Sarin. In 1986, a five-year plan was drawn up that ultimately led to biological weapons production. By 1988 Iraq had produced VX. The program reached its zenith in the late 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war. From August 1983 to July 1988 Iran was subjected to extensive Iraqi chemical attacks. Between 1981 and 1991, Iraq produced over 3,857 tons of CW agents.

As part of Project 922, German firms such as Karl Kolb helped build Iraqi chemical weapons facilities such as laboratories, bunkers, an administrative building, and first production buildings in the early 1980s under the cover of a pesticide plant. Other German firms sent 1,027 tons of precursors of mustard gas, sarin, tabun, and tear gasses in all. This work allowed Iraq to produce 150 tons of mustard agent and 60 tons of Tabun in 1983 and 1984 respectively, continuing throughout the decade. All told, 52% of Iraq's international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.[citation needed] One of the contributions was a £14m chlorine plant known as "Falluja 2", built by Uhde Ltd, a UK subsidiary of a German company; the plant was given financial guarantees by the UK's Export Credits Guarantee Department despite official UK recognition of a "strong possibility" the plant would be used to make mustard gas.[4] The guarantees led to UK government payment of £300,000 to Uhde in 1990 after completion of the plant was interrupted by the first Gulf War.[4] In 1994 and 1996 three people were convicted in Germany of export offenses.

France also provided glass-lined reactors, tanks, vessels, and columns used for the production of chemical weapons. Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French. 75,000 shells and rockets designed for chemical weapon use also came from Italy. About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil. The United States exported $500 million of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce Department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq’s nuclear program. Austria also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales. Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq. The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq. Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions. India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses. Luxembourg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors. Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales. China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare.
 

hypocritexposer

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OT's last post does not discount my claim, but it does disprove his previous post.


Iraq used Mustard gas in their attacks, which was mostly supplied through Singapore, by a company affiliated with the UAE.

And the shells were supplied by Italy and Belgium, as OT's last post states.
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
OT's last post does not discount my claim, but it does disprove his previous post.


Iraq used Mustard gas in their attacks, which was mostly supplied through Singapore, by a company affiliated with the UAE.

And the shells were supplied by Italy and Belgium, as OT's last post states.

let him google "Project 922" and really study it. Iraq didn't need anyone to send them Chemical Warfare, they had huge production facilities of their own. :roll:
 

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