The heifers are out of black angus cows that are moderate framed girls I do not know what the bloodlines are. the sire is 7AN288 Rockin Horse Tailor Made 456. I would guess they will be in the 1100 pound range at calving time. I live in colorado they summer at about 6000 feet on dry land grass and cake. these cows have to work and work hard i do want to be able to keep replacement heifers out of these girls.
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Ned Jr. said:
I like him too.... the cc and 7 milk was to high, but in talking with very knowledgeable angus guys they say they can't figure out the milk... Soooo guess I don't know....
We used 2x15 for 3 years and the calves come easy and get up and nurse well on their own. They are a little light on muscle as steers. We only have 2 females in the herd but they are good cows with nice udders.
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I have to agree on what was said on Image Maker and Objective... I have a couple of Objective daughters and the only thing good I can say about the bull is that he is easy calving...Never used Image Maker- but saw several sons and daughters... Didn't really care for their looks or dispositions...
The only thing I know about Rockin Horse Tailor Made is that Cole Creek used him on some heifers a few years ago- and sold some sons of him..With his high milk EPD (+38 ) that kind of surprised me...If someone needs info on him, Greg at Cole Creek might be able to help you out..
The last bull Cory and I agreed with on as a heifer bull that should make some good momma cows was Tender Ten- which is an ABS bull :
http://abs-bs.absglobal.com/beef/angus.asp?CodTouro=29AN1755
So we are going to A.I the heifers to him this spring to see for ourselves...
The only thing I know about Rockin Horse Tailor Made is that Cole Creek used him on some heifers a few years ago- and sold some sons of him..With his high milk EPD (+38 ) that kind of surprised me...If someone needs info on him, Greg at Cole Creek might be able to help you out..
The last bull Cory and I agreed with on as a heifer bull that should make some good momma cows was Tender Ten- which is an ABS bull :
http://abs-bs.absglobal.com/beef/angus.asp?CodTouro=29AN1755
So we are going to A.I the heifers to him this spring to see for ourselves...
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katrina said:
He's not well proven yet so that 34 on milk could change a bunch.
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http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php?option=com_php&Itemid=114&id=54&breed=Angus
This is the sire of the bull I used on my heifers this year. He's got alot of style and his numbers look fitting for a heifer bull.
http://www.accelgen.com/htm/sire_pages/014AN00379.html This is the bull we used on our heifers this year. Hopefully I made the right choice.
I have used Net Present Value for the past couple years and really like him for heifers. They will be smaller framed, but we have some daughters that calved for the first time this year, and they are really doing good, with great udders.
I won't disagree that Image Makers can be a little hard doing and flighty, but I have a couple cows that apparently dont fit that mold, they are out of 6595 cows and they are moderate and fat fleshing. The other one with that bloodline I like is Crook Mtn Really Windy 141. I used him on some pretty moderate framed cows, but the heifers and bulls I got became pretty framy. The heifers calved this year and are by far the biggest of my two year olds.
This is the sire of the bull I used on my heifers this year. He's got alot of style and his numbers look fitting for a heifer bull.
http://www.accelgen.com/htm/sire_pages/014AN00379.html This is the bull we used on our heifers this year. Hopefully I made the right choice.
I have used Net Present Value for the past couple years and really like him for heifers. They will be smaller framed, but we have some daughters that calved for the first time this year, and they are really doing good, with great udders.
I won't disagree that Image Makers can be a little hard doing and flighty, but I have a couple cows that apparently dont fit that mold, they are out of 6595 cows and they are moderate and fat fleshing. The other one with that bloodline I like is Crook Mtn Really Windy 141. I used him on some pretty moderate framed cows, but the heifers and bulls I got became pretty framy. The heifers calved this year and are by far the biggest of my two year olds.
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Speaking of calving ease Angus bulls can anyone give me some feedback on Stenberg Coalition 509? Here is his picture and numbers: http://origenbeef.org/semen_detail.php?bull=97. With a -5 BWT EPD, a 121 YWT EPD and a 1,.068 LB 205 day weight I am tempted to think this bul is too good to be true. Is anyone familiar with the Stenberg herd? Do they creep as hard as I suspect?
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I don't know the bull, but in looking at his stats, that 121 YW ratio
would scare me. I sure wouldn't want cows out of a bull with
that kind of YW. Yikes!
would scare me. I sure wouldn't want cows out of a bull with
that kind of YW. Yikes!
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On the Stenberg website thye claim the daughters are frame score 5. Also the calves out of commercial heifers were 60 LBs. Check out the website: http://www.jbarstenbergranch.com/sc509.htm
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VLS_GUY said:
I agree with FH on the YW but those numbers can't and won't stay that far apart. They will come together as he gets more proven. I don't know anything about the bull or the people, but I don't know of anyone that can support 1000 lb weaning weights and get cows to breed solely on what there ranch produces...sounds like an artificial environment to me. Personally, I wouldn't use him, but what do I know!
I've yet to see any CC & 7 sons that really make me go "WOW" There are alot of options out there for calving ease that are still powerfully made cattle.
I kind of like the Conley bull for heifers. Would make for some pretty heifer calves too.
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php?option=com_php&Itemid=114&id=175&breed=Angus
The SAV Beacon and SAV Mustung bulls I think are going to very good breeding tools. But they don't fit the proven category yet.
I kind of like the Conley bull for heifers. Would make for some pretty heifer calves too.
http://www.selectsiresbeef.com/index.php?option=com_php&Itemid=114&id=175&breed=Angus
The SAV Beacon and SAV Mustung bulls I think are going to very good breeding tools. But they don't fit the proven category yet.
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Jake said:
That bull would fit what I like very well.
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The Conely bull might be pleasing to the eye but I would be worried about fertility with 6807 top and bottom of that pedigree but thats just me. Nice looking bull though.
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WB said:
I never thought about 6807 being in the background of OCC Legend.
I would never want to stack 6807 in a pedigree, just because of
what you expressed concern about. 6807 was just about a perfect
bull, except for.......fertility.....there are no perfect bulls......
Faster horses said:
That is the downfall to those genetics. We have been lucky to not have any issues with our 6807 bred cattle but I do realize that they exist. I would think that with Emblazon/ 6807 that far back on the bottom side that it should be a nonissue.
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If I didn't have so many daughters/granddaughters that traced back to this bulls bloodlines- plus a 6247 grandson I'm using as my primary herdsire-- this is the bull I would use on heifers this year:
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1AN01224&lang=EN
Double bred CH Quantum 6247 (Cedar)..
A bull from a couple of old herds with 50+ years of programs with top maternal performance that are now also proving themselves for feeding efficency and carcass....
http://genex.crinet.com/beef/index.php?action=DETAIL&code=1AN01224&lang=EN
Double bred CH Quantum 6247 (Cedar)..
A bull from a couple of old herds with 50+ years of programs with top maternal performance that are now also proving themselves for feeding efficency and carcass....
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Friend of ours used this bull on his heifers. He saw progeny and really
really liked them so he used the sire.
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You can look at his numbers and pedigree here:
http://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAC8%2fGqMQzFjs5uDOd8dHj8wq7vYOO5mG%2bs9ChsDK3b6z&time=LgAAACY3O7FhyzL7Lj6DO4%2fJUHsCR78w8Ho63qIcKDccxpdaWD9HxDsT3EjR8w6LiFBxMA%3d%3d
He's a 2009 model and not very proven yet.
I'm surprised he is a heifer bull with Traveler Power in the pedigree.
We used Traveler Power pretty hard, but he wasn't for heifers.
really liked them so he used the sire.
Chief Justice 6620 PH 69A
Reg: AAA 16497995
You can look at his numbers and pedigree here:
http://www.angus.org/Animal/EpdPedDtl.aspx?aid=FAAAAC8%2fGqMQzFjs5uDOd8dHj8wq7vYOO5mG%2bs9ChsDK3b6z&time=LgAAACY3O7FhyzL7Lj6DO4%2fJUHsCR78w8Ho63qIcKDccxpdaWD9HxDsT3EjR8w6LiFBxMA%3d%3d
He's a 2009 model and not very proven yet.
I'm surprised he is a heifer bull with Traveler Power in the pedigree.
We used Traveler Power pretty hard, but he wasn't for heifers.
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Oldtimer said:
Recently looked at Cedar Ridge in Billings, nice enough little bull. For me he lacks muscle (very little evidence of stifle or foreleg) and length, was concerned in how short strided Ridge was (this is evident in his video). Also as I have looked at sons, the way they toe out in front as a result of lack of chest floor is concerning, but whatever.
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Andrews 29: Curious what your final decision was.
