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Sen. Specter intends to switch parties

fff

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It's official. Now the Dems will have that 59th vote. And when Franken is declared the winner: 60. :D :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090428/ap_on_go_co/us_specter_switch_3
 

fff

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Faster horses said:
Specter was a closet democrat anyway...

Americans are getting their head served to them on a platter.

The Republican Party no longer represents voters in PA. Toomie was likely going to win the Republican Primary, but doesn't have much chance to win the general election. Which meant the seat would probably go to a Democrat anyway. Today any candidate needs Independent voters. As the Republican party shrinks with comments like yours, they'll attract fewer and fewer Independents.

You're confusing Republicans/Conservatives with Americans. They are, for sure, getting their heads served to them on a platter. But a real majority of AMERICANS like the new direction of the new Administration. :D
 

Faster horses

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Ya...according the the Liberal news media who slants things the way THEY want.

I challenge you to watch FOX News.

Now tell me that you DON'T see the danger in the way this country is
heading?

errrr...make that "the way this country is CHANGING... ":x

Something else bothers me. Why don't you say where you are from--at least the state--or even the region? I'm curious.
 

fff

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Faster horses said:
Ya,,,according the the Liberal news media who slants things the way THEY want. I challenge you to watch FOX News.

Now tell me that you DON'T see the danger in the way this country is
heading?

errrr...make that the way this country is CHANGING?

Why watch FOX news? They're becoming more and more irrelevant, catering to people like you....and people like you are a shrinking minority in this country.

When Reagan was elected, he won over 60% of the under-30 vote. In 1988, white voters were 85% of the voter pool. In 2008, the white vote was down to 74 percent of the total, while the under-30 crowd voted Obama by a 66-32 margin. So the electorate is becoming more colorful, while the youth vote has swung decisively toward the Democrats for three straight elections.
 

Faster horses

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You aren't going to take the challenge to watch FOX news?
Are you afraid you might learn something?
Oh, and don't forget...FOX NEWS is number 1. That should tell
you something...

Oh yes, I worry about our young people having to pay for
Obamas spending...and their kids having to pay for it as well.
Too bad the colleges they attended have a high % of being liberal...
add in the school books that have rewritten history to fit their agenda...
they've been duped...but not all of them, so there is HOPE.
 

fff

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Faster horses said:
You aren't going to take the challenge to watch FOX news?
Are you afraid you might learn something?
Oh, and don't forget...FOX NEWS is number 1. That should tell
you something...

Oh yes, I worry about our young people having to pay for
Obamas spending...and their kids having to pay for it as well.
Too bad the colleges they attended have a high % of being liberal...
add in the school books that have rewritten history to fit their agenda...
they've been duped...but not all of them, so there is HOPE.

Learn someting from FOX News? Like Dick Cheney whining about how bad things are? AFTER HE SPENT EIGHT YEARS RUNNING THE COUNTRY INTO THE GROUND? FOX is #! tells me that they're the only network that attracts a specific kind of viewer. The other dozen or so networks split the rest of the population. Add up CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, etc., numbers and you'll see how FOX really rates.

ROTFLMAO! Your concern about the young people having to pay for Obama's spending would be more believable if you hadn't spent the last eight years supporting Bush's actions that took us from a Federal budget SURPLUS to the biggest deficit in history. Bush's actions that have killed probably a million people in Iraq. Bush's actions that allowed banks, hedge funds, mortgage companies to pocket millions of American's dollars and leave them facing retirement wondering if Social Secutiry will be enough. And don't forget that BUSH wanted to get his hands on that, too! Bush's policies that have devestated the middle class while the rich got richer. If the swine flu becomes an issue here in the US, we can put that in the Republican Party's lap, too, since they demanded funding for CDC be cut before they'd support the stimulus bill. Your party, your beliefs stink. As long as the best Republicans can do is demand tax and spending cuts, they're in deep do do with the voters in this country.
 

Faster horses

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WOW. Where have you been for months????????
You can't keep blaming Bush for what Obama has been doing. He's spent more money than all the presidents put together. I'm asking you honestly here...do you understand what a TRILLION is?????? Not me. I don't understand it but it scares me something horrific.

Bush (and sometimes with McCain) asked 17 times that Fredie and Fannie be more regulated. But he was called racist by your party...because it was minorities that Clinton allowed to buy these houses that could not pay for them. The writing was on the wall...

Oh well. Yawn.

You aren't going to convince me and I'm not going to
convince you. You can sit by and watch while our Capitalist government that has WORKED for all these years...go down the drain. Wait, I'll
rephrase that...while the libs FLUSH capitalism down the toilet.
 

MsSage

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Arlen Specter
Born February 12, 1930 to a Jewish family in Russell, Kansas, Specter studied at universities before and after serving in the United States Air Force from 1951 to 1953. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa from the University of Pennsylvania in 1951 and from Yale Law School in 1956. He passed the Pennsylvania Bar examination in 1956.

He soon became a prominent lawyer in Philadelphia and became active in politics, beginning his political life as a Democrat. He worked with the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy. As a chief counsel for the commission, he authored the controversial "single bullet theory."

He eventually became a Republican and scored an upset by winning a race for District Attorney in heavily Democratic Philadelphia, running on an anti-corruption platform against the Democratic machine. His slogan, deemed "brilliant" by Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne, was "We need these guys to watch those guys." He then mounted an unsuccessful campaign for mayor in 1973
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Arlen_Specter


"In the course of the last several months ... I have traveled the state and surveyed the sentiments of the Republican Party in Pennsylvania and public opinion polls, observed other public opinion polls and have found that the prospects for winning a Republican primary are bleak."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/specter.party.switch/index.html[/url]
 

fff

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Faster horses said:
WOW. Where have you been for months????????
You can't keep blaming Bush for what Obama has been doing. He's spent more money than all the presidents put together. I'm asking you honestly here...do you understand what a TRILLION is?????? Not me. I don't understand it but it scares me something horrific.

Bush (and sometimes with McCain) asked 17 times that Fredie and Fannie be more regulated. But he was called racist by your party...because it was minorities that Clinton allowed to buy these houses that could not pay for them. The writing was on the wall...

Oh well. Yawn.

You aren't going to convince me and I'm not going to
convince you. You can sit by and watch while our Capitalist government that has WORKED for all these years...go down the drain. Wait, I'll
rephrase that...while the libs FLUSH capitalism down the toilet.

Under Democratic presidents our government works pretty well. But put Reagan or a Bush in charge and watch the deficits bloom. George W. Bush's Capitalist Goverment put us in the position we're in. Do you honestly think no one noticed? The Conservative Government of Bush and Congress for six years drove us further and further into debt. Do you honestly think no one noticed? You may think you have a winning argument about Obama being responsible for this country's problems. But you don't. The American people know very well what president and what party drove us off the cliff into recession.

Bush had a Conservative Republican Congress for most of his eight year term. If he'd wanted Freddie and Fannie regulated, he'd have gotten them regulated. You're only fooling yourself.

So keep patting yourself on the back while the Republican/Conservative party goes down the drain. Glub, glub. I'm enjoying it very much.
 

hypocritexposer

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DEFINING SCAPEGOATING

Scapegoating is a hostile social - psychological discrediting routine by which people move blame and responsibility away from themselves and towards a target person or group. It is also a practice by which angry feelings and feelings of hostility may be projected, via inappropriate accusation, towards others. The target feels wrongly persecuted and receives misplaced vilification, blame and criticism; he is likely to suffer rejection from those who the perpetrator seeks to influence. Scapegoating has a wide range of focus: from "approved" enemies of very large groups of people down to the scapegoating of individuals by other individuals. Distortion is always a feature.

In so far as the process is unconscious it is more likely to be denied by the perpetrator. In such cases, any bad feelings - such as the perpetrator's own shame and guilt - are also likely to be denied. Scapegoating frees the perpetrator from some self-dissatisfaction and provides some narcissistic gratification to him. It enables the self-righteous discharge of aggression. Scapegoaters tend to have extra-punitive characteristics [Kraupl-Taylor, 1953].
 

Faster horses

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Hey Libs, how about this? The one thing Bush did not do, was
try to quiet the oppostion. Contrary to Obama and his push to
re-establish the so-called (liberals always have such nice names
for not-so-nice policies) Fairness Doctrine (which really isn't fair at all.)
When you only can get one-sided information that's called, at best,
PROPOGANDA. At worst, it's called brain-washing.
 

fff

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
Hey Libs, how about this? The one thing Bush did not do, was
try to quiet the oppostion. Contrary to Obama and his push to
re-establish the so-called (liberals always have such nice names
for not-so-nice policies) Fairness Doctrine (which really isn't fair at all.)
When you only can get one-sided information that's called, at best,
PROPOGANDA. At worst, it's called brain-washing.

I fully support the Fairness Doctrine. We had it for years.

It doesn't quite anyone. It simply demands if a media outlet presents one side of a question, it offer time to the other side to make their point. I wonder how Specter will vote on it? :lol:
 

TexasBred

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Faster horses said:
Hey Libs, how about this? The one thing Bush did not do, was
try to quiet the oppostion.
Contrary to Obama and his push to
re-establish the so-called (liberals always have such nice names
for not-so-nice policies) Fairness Doctrine (which really isn't fair at all.)
When you only can get one-sided information that's called, at best,
PROPOGANDA. At worst, it's called brain-washing.


I doubt that Bush knew of any opposition to him/his actions. I'm gonna guess that the was kept sooooo out of touch by Cheney & Co that the poor boy didn't have a clue.



And Spector is like Miss CA and her pagent question, it's America and it was his decision to make....and he made it.

Actually he did the right thing. Now even he knows which side of the aisle to sit on.
 
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fff said:
It's official. Now the Dems will have that 59th vote. And when Franken is declared the winner: 60. :D :D

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090428/ap_on_go_co/us_specter_switch_3


Yep-- and its sad that there is so much partisanship in D.C. now that you need that type of majority to get anything accomplished with their little games and the Republicans current "NO" attitude of not wanting to work on any compromises....(The same folks that couldn't/wouldn't even dare question GW or for sure never say NO to him)...

Like they were saying on the radio--- years ago that number meant little as you only saw a filibuster once or twice a session- as all worked together for compromises to pass legislation for the betterment of the country- but in the just-ended 110th Congress, obstructionist Senate Republicans mounted a record 104 filibusters...
One of the main reasons this current brand of Republicanism got their heads handed to them and their arses kicked in 08....
 
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Anonymous

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They were discussing this on tv tonight- and David Gergen had a great description of the current Republican party direction-- they are searching out "heretics" in their party to try and meet their right wing extremist base's requirements - and in doing so are running away many of the moderate Republicans, Reagan Democrats, and Independents that originally put them in power years ago--
where in contrast the Dem party is opening its arms wider to views from all directions and in doing so expanding their tent of supporters- and votes....

An interesting question is whether Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) and Sen Susan Collins (R-ME), the last two Republican moderates in the Senate will now follow suit.

Since both have now been shunned as heretics in their party will they follow suit :???:
 

Sandhusker

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"where in contrast the Dem party is opening its arms wider to views from all directions and in doing so expanding their tent of supporters- and votes.... "

If you stand for everything, you stand for nothing.

Spector was labeled a RINO long ago. Changing his affilaition won't change his voting any, it was just a formality. If you think he did it because of great philosophical differences, think again, it was an act of self preservation. He saw the writing on the wall, he knew that he wouldn't be elected again on the Republican ticket. Everybody knows the Democrats are salivating at the idea of getting their 60 votes so they won't have to even lie about bipartisanship anymore. He saw that as an opportunity to play all his cards while he still had some.

He didn't do it for the Democrat party or the people of PA, he did it strictly for himself.
 

hypocritexposer

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I'm afraid you might be right OT. It seems that the US has swung so far left, that the only way to come back to middle will be an abrupt swing right.

That's the danger of a political pendulum! The polarization of the country, is not a good sign, the pace is frightening.

And looking from here, it hasn't been the Republicans that have moved off center to the degree that the Democrats have.

What are the possible outcomes of successfully Demonizing your political opponent? There are only a few, if not less.
 
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