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Senate Add Chicken into COOL in Farm Bill

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nenmrancher said:
As I have stated before Sandhusker, I dont believe that the NCBA, RCALF. LMA or any of the national organizations are good for much more than bi**hing. That is why I belong to a very well respected STATE organization, that gets alot more done and usually has both NCBA & RCALF calling asking for our help. That to me says my state organization is much better than any of the national groups.
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I tend to agree with you, like Ben says, change is going to have to come from the grass roots level(producers) and a state org may be as big as grass roots can get. Problem is, to be heard in Washington or at all, it takes a big voice(that's read as voters). But if you spend you half of the check-off right, you can make an impact. If we concentrate on convincing the consumer that beef IS a health product, we can start to get our market share back...and a lot of these other problems will go away!!! :)
 
nenmrancher
As for what for what they have accomplished our group has worked on just about every thing from cool, which we support and have from the beginning, to NAIS. Our state group is one of the reasons that USDA started talking to the brand states about using brands as a part of the ID system.
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Do you really believe that this administration and USDA are going to work with adapting brands as part of the ID system :???:

Every day they slip a new rule into effect that you can't do anything unless you have one of their multinational corporate sponsored eartags in the ear- or spend a few more million taxpayer dollars promoting the corporate eartag, as they keep preaching they are out working with and for the benefit of the cowman :roll:

I think their preaching of working with brands as ID is the same as GW and the politicians/bureaucrats blowing smoke about trying to close the border to illegal invaders-as they do everyting they can to allow more in-just smoke that they are blowing up our rears- as they do the opposite....They already have sold out to the Big Money......
 
nenmrancher, it takes TWO organizations, state and national working together to have 'complete coverage' needed by the cattle businessman today, just as it always has.

If you really believe that the national organizations don't do anything for the state org., either you or your state org. is missing something.

IF your state is affiliated with NCBA and isn't receiving any services, maybe you need to ask why they aren't, as I know that NCBA does actively work for as well as with, the state affiliates, at both the state and national level.

You are listening to mis-informed people if you believe claims that NCBA is controlled by, or works for packers to the detriment of cattle producers. Doesn't happen!

mrj
 
Oldtimer that maybe true, but unless someone tries to do something we might get something we can live with. It may not be perfect but at least some producers have had the guts to stand up and say we have been using brands for 100's of years and our STATE brand boards know what they are doing. Here in NM we might not be at the 48 hour trace back mark but we are damn close, because of our state brand laws. The only way to fail here is to do nothing. Will it work or will the USDA screw us over, only time will tell.

MRJ as to your beloved NCBA I have been involved with their activities and our state org. is a member. My personal observation is that the packers may not be in control of things, but the staff that I dealt with has the attitude that they know best and dont need any input from some rancher/producer. I can usually tell who the NCBA sends to our meetings by the staff members arogant attitude. They get some one in charge of the outfit that can control the attitudes and get things back on track, I might consider renewing my membership.
 
nenmrancher said:
This is why this board has gotten so boring, if you are not a die hard Rcalf person you are not allowed to have a opinion and are usually attacked repeatedly by no good for nothing texans. Elmo\Haymaker I will take that as just another bit of smelly texas hot air.

I still say that with RCALF\LMA on one side doing their damnedest to stop anything and everything that they see as change and NCBA\Packers on the other side of the issues with a full steam ahead change is good and no turning back attitude that nothing will ever get done. The thing that I really dislike about both sides is the its got to be my way or the highway attitude, there will never be anything accomplished with that kind of attitude.
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You are a classic example of what is wrong and why the industry is devided,......loud mouthed,self centered, no good and egotistical you dont come here with an opinion,you come with your inflated ego and your little cute signature line,degrading the only cattlemans assc. that has come close to creating some fairness for the cattleman,2 bit punks like you dont have the sense God promised a screw driver.
Where would M COOL be without R CALF,or the Captive supply Reform act ? R calf will bring fairness to the cattleman.
Its this simple einstein SUPPORT THE FOLKS THAT SUPPORT YOU
That junior leauge civic club that you pompously crow about is just that,a small cattlemans club in a small state tended by small people with small mindsets.
good luck
 
Haymaker the only thing small minded around here is you. The national outfit you are so proud of is still showing signs of self-destuction. They are now trying to tell affiliated associations what to do. Your arrogance and unwillingness to even consider others view points is what I see wrong with just about everything from politics to cattlemens assocations. How can any group or industry come together if no one is willing to comprimise and work together? What have you done to help this industry, other than being a cranky old cogder on the internet?
As for my signature line I dont think it degrades any one particular outfit, it just expresses my wariness in dealing with them and people like you.
I have never said RCALF has not done some good, I just see them as a loose cannon that you never quite know what is it that will set it off. Course I dont know why I am wasting my time responding to you as I be t your next post will have some sort of insult or put down and you will just continue as always. Quess I shouldnt expect anything more from a texan.
 
nenmrancher said:
Haymaker the only thing small minded around here is you. The national outfit you are so proud of is still showing signs of self-destuction. They are now trying to tell affiliated associations what to do. Your arrogance and unwillingness to even consider others view points is what I see wrong with just about everything from politics to cattlemens assocations. How can any group or industry come together if no one is willing to comprimise and work together? What have you done to help this industry, other than being a cranky old cogder on the internet?
As for my signature line I dont think it degrades any one particular outfit, it just expresses my wariness in dealing with them and people like you.
I have never said RCALF has not done some good, I just see them as a loose cannon that you never quite know what is it that will set it off. Course I dont know why I am wasting my time responding to you as I be t your next post will have some sort of insult or put down and you will just continue as always. Quess I shouldnt expect anything more from a texan.
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What are they telling you to do that you disagree with, nenmen?
 
who we can be associated with, basicly they are telling all the member associations that they will be dropped or removed from the membership rolls if they belong to any other groups that RCALF considers to be working against their positions.
 
nenmrancher said:
Oldtimer that maybe true, but unless someone tries to do something we might get something we can live with. It may not be perfect but at least some producers have had the guts to stand up and say we have been using brands for 100's of years and our STATE brand boards know what they are doing. Here in NM we might not be at the 48 hour trace back mark but we are damn close, because of our state brand laws. The only way to fail here is to do nothing. Will it work or will the USDA screw us over, only time will tell.
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I agree with you on that nenmrancher--and as I've posted on here before that even the USDA has admitted they never would have been able to track many of the animals involved in the Yellowstone area Bangs incident- where with the brands, the Dept of Livestock tracked down every single head :shock: :D :P

And also in this state there is a very strong movement to stick with the brands- but because folks up here have gotten raped (without vaseline) by the Guvment boys so many times (BLM, Forest Service, EPA, Federal Goose Wardens, USDA, etc. etc.) few have went along with the USDA's premise registration--the last I saw it was less than 5%--as they believe that these Guvment folks again speak with forked tongue....
 
Oldtimer most of the people here feel about the same way. BLM might have a little better image than most of the other agencies with the FS being the most untrusted. Most of the associations and producers here are working on the same thought, if we are going to have ID its got to have our brands. I know alot of states do not have brand laws or movement controls. They ought to look at our laws and adapt some of them to make this work rather than reinventing the wheel.
 
nenmrancher said:
who we can be associated with, basicly they are telling all the member associations that they will be dropped or removed from the membership rolls if they belong to any other groups that RCALF considers to be working against their positions.
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Perhaps they are trying to find where your real allegiance stands.

A man can only have one master, or in other words, pick your stance. Seems like you don't want to do that. Is there a reason?
 
My thoughts are that the Hot Iron was the First ID system and is still the best. The only other ID marker is the RFID bolus which can't be reburned and copied like the brand in another state or stolen off of the animal or cut off like a ear tag.
 
nenmrancher said:
who we can be associated with, basicly they are telling all the member associations that they will be dropped or removed from the membership rolls if they belong to any other groups that RCALF considers to be working against their positions.
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I sure would be interested in how why and who left this impression on you, you would'nt be doing a little dramatizing would you ?maybe you can provide some detail ?
And if there is any group working against R CALF's position,they are also working against cattlemen.
R calf exists for cattlemen.........period.
good luck
 

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