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Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND):public option is Dead

hypocritexposer

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If Barack Obama hoped to rescue his vision of a health-care system overhaul with his wan effort in the New York Times, a key member of the Senate Democratic Caucus threw a bucket of cold water on those hopes this morning. Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) told a television audience that the pursuit of a public option for coverage was a “wasted effort” that would kill any hope of passage in the upper chamber. Obama, said Conrad, should exercise more humility in approaching a government role in American health care — and even Obama’s key Cabinet member agrees:

Sebelius signaled a big shift in the White House position today. It looks as though Barack Obama may have realized that the failure to get the bill finished before the summer recess has killed the Trojan horse through which the White House hoped to accomplish the nationalization of health care. It sounds as though Obama wants to alert Democrats at town-hall meetings to stop defending the public option and expect to see it removed from the bills when Congress returns in September.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/16/dem-senator-public-option-is-dead/
 

hypocritexposer

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Aug 16 2009, 9:11 pm by Marc Ambinder
Administration Official: "Sebelius Misspoke."

An administration official said tonight that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius "misspoke" when she told CNN this morning that a government run health insurance option "is not an essential part" of reform. This official asked not to be identified in exchange for providing clarity about the intentions of the President. The official said that the White House did not intend to change its messaging and that Sebelius simply meant to echo the president, who has acknowledged that the public option is a tough sell in the Senate and is, at the same time, a must-pass for House Democrats, and is not, in the president's view, the most important element of the reform package.
 
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This appears to be what the bipartisan Baucus/Grassley bill is looking at:

Senator Conrad is one of six Senate Finance Committee members -- three Democrats and three Republicans -- who are negotiating a compromise health care bill that would be the only bipartisan proposal so far.

Instead of a public option, the negotiators are considering a plan proposed by Conrad to create nonprofit health insurance cooperatives that could negotiate coverage as a collective for their members.

Conrad said such cooperatives would provide the competition sought by Obama and Democratic leaders to force private insurers to hold down costs and improve practices. The government would put up initial funding to provide required reserves but would have no other role, he said.


"It's not a public plan at all in terms of government running it," Conrad said.

I could live with that alternative- as long as they also require all the insurance companies- not just the cooperatives- to take all applicants with no restrictions for pre-existing conditions- and no lifetime cap on payout- where they can now drop people in the middle of catastrophic illness's/accident recovery....
 

hypocritexposer

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OT, I know you think the Insurance companies are "raping and pillaging", but Health Care cost increases are comparable in countries where there are no private Insurance plans.

The common denominator is the cost increase.

Are the Insurance companies expenses increasing? Are profit margins increasing or decreasing for Insurance companies?

Are those increases in expenses also common in say, Canada?
 

Lonecowboy

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The government would put up initial funding to provide required reserves


And this is where the scam is - Government requires insurance companies to have these large reserves- which they don't have, so they have to borrow the reserves from whom? Government

here is the shell game- Government lends taxpayer money to these insurance companies with interest, taxpayers have tp pay much larger premiums. I have read report that as much as 4/5 of our premiums go to pay just the interest on these large reserves that Government requires.

See the shell game here- Government is essentially charging us intrest on our money- just chanelling it through insurance companies so hopefully we don't see it.

If your scratching your head asking yourself what I just said, go back and read that again and again till you finally get it. THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT INSURANCE COMPANIES IN RELATION TO GOVERNMENT- THEY ARE JOINED AT THE HIP!!
 
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hypocritexposer said:
OT, I know you think the Insurance companies are "raping and pillaging", but Health Care cost increases are comparable in countries where there are no private Insurance plans.

The common denominator is the cost increase.

Are the Insurance companies expenses increasing? Are profit margins increasing or decreasing for Insurance companies?

Are those increases in expenses also common in say, Canada?

It is a combination of both-- but right now one of the major increasers to health care costs- which then in turn raises health care insurance costs- is the fact so many people don't have insurance- can not pay for the health care they are getting- so in turn the health care providers charge more for their services to ALL to cover for those services they'll never get paid for (I think the last I read this was 30% of the cost)-- which in turn means insurance companies raise their costs- meaning less people can afford insurance---ETC..ETC....ETC....A continuing Catch-22 until you get ALL insured-Or you throw those without insurance or cash to pay out on the street to die....
 

hypocritexposer

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It is a combination of both-- but right now one of the major increasers to health care costs- which then in turn raises health care insurance costs- is the fact so many people don't have insurance- can not pay for the health care they are getting- so in turn the health care providers charge more for their services to ALL to cover for those services they'll never get paid for (I think the last I read this was 30% of the cost)

I thought the Hospitals covered those non-insured costs, which they are then reimbursed for by the Government?
 

hypocritexposer

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Lonecowboy said:
The government would put up initial funding to provide required reserves


And this is where the scam is - Government requires insurance companies to have these large reserves- which they don't have, so they have to borrow the reserves from whom? Government

here is the shell game- Government lends taxpayer money to these insurance companies with interest, taxpayers have tp pay much larger premiums. I have read report that as much as 4/5 of our premiums go to pay just the interest on these large reserves that Government requires.

See the shell game here- Government is essentially charging us intrest on our money- just chanelling it through insurance companies so hopefully we don't see it.

If your scratching your head asking yourself what I just said, go back and read that again and again till you finally get it. THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT INSURANCE COMPANIES IN RELATION TO GOVERNMENT- THEY ARE JOINED AT THE HIP!!

It's a trick they have learned very well from the FED.
 

Lonecowboy

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Insurance company equity participation, (mandated federal law 1969, enacted for full effect after a 10 years compliance period in 1979), for 1/3 of the value of the insurance policy, to be on deposit and held by the insurance industry as a major catastrophe fund New Jersey State 1998 CAFR is 34 Billion dollars invested with insurance company equity participation, California is 1.8 trillion dollars, Federal is 4.6 trillion dollars. The revenue in the catastrophe fund, 86-90% is provided by composite government investment funds. Thats about 8 trillion dollars. Do you know what the annual interest income is on 8 trillion at 4 to 5%. Get the point......

http://www.svpvril.com/cafrupdate.html
 
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hypocritexposer said:
It is a combination of both-- but right now one of the major increasers to health care costs- which then in turn raises health care insurance costs- is the fact so many people don't have insurance- can not pay for the health care they are getting- so in turn the health care providers charge more for their services to ALL to cover for those services they'll never get paid for (I think the last I read this was 30% of the cost)

I thought the Hospitals covered those non-insured costs, which they are then reimbursed for by the Government?

Nope- the cash payer and insurance covered health care recipients pay the cost of care for those not having insurance- or not paying or able to pay their bills....
 

Lonecowboy

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Undisclosed tax through enactment of law on the insurance industry for the creation of the fund, where they, composite government, provided the revenue to meet the revenue requirements. Ever wonder why auto insurance rates are so high and payment is enforce by armed force? Well, lets see, Arizona, min coverage is $30,000 1/3 = $10,000, 5% annual interest on $10,000 = $500. My insurance is $658 per year - $500 = $158 to the insurance company.. Get the point????

Do you see this OT- and you are posting about 30% because of uninsured
DO YOU SEE THIS????
 
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Anonymous

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Lonecowboy said:
Insurance company equity participation, (mandated federal law 1969, enacted for full effect after a 10 years compliance period in 1979), for 1/3 of the value of the insurance policy, to be on deposit and held by the insurance industry as a major catastrophe fund New Jersey State 1998 CAFR is 34 Billion dollars invested with insurance company equity participation, California is 1.8 trillion dollars, Federal is 4.6 trillion dollars. The revenue in the catastrophe fund, 86-90% is provided by composite government investment funds. Thats about 8 trillion dollars. Do you know what the annual interest income is on 8 trillion at 4 to 5%. Get the point......

http://www.svpvril.com/cafrupdate.html

It was only because of these capital/equity requirements-and regulation- mostly by the States- that these parts of the huge insurance conglomerates like AIG- were still financially sound-- when all their investment and banking/lending subdivisions went bankrupt....
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Insurance company equity participation, (mandated federal law 1969, enacted for full effect after a 10 years compliance period in 1979), for 1/3 of the value of the insurance policy, to be on deposit and held by the insurance industry as a major catastrophe fund New Jersey State 1998 CAFR is 34 Billion dollars invested with insurance company equity participation, California is 1.8 trillion dollars, Federal is 4.6 trillion dollars. The revenue in the catastrophe fund, 86-90% is provided by composite government investment funds. Thats about 8 trillion dollars. Do you know what the annual interest income is on 8 trillion at 4 to 5%. Get the point......

http://www.svpvril.com/cafrupdate.html

It was only because of these capital requirements-and regulation- mostly by the States- that these parts of the huge insurance conglomerates like AIG- were still financially sound-- when all their investment and banking/lending subdivisions went bankrupt....

OK OT- you didn't catch it the first time around- Please, Please, Please go back and re-read it till you do catch it- it is a shell game you have to watch very closley, you think you saw it but you just chose the wrong hand with the above post. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO EVERY AMERICAN

I couldn't believe that this was true -- till I went down to our local Dawson County Courthouse and got the information for our county--
this is true- right down to a little podunk county in Montana.
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
http://www.svpvril.com/cafrupdate.html

It was only because of these capital requirements-and regulation- mostly by the States- that these parts of the huge insurance conglomerates like AIG- were still financially sound-- when all their investment and banking/lending subdivisions went bankrupt....

OK OT- you didn't catch it the first time around- Please, Please, Please go back and re-read it till you do catch it- it is a shell game you have to watch very closley, you think you saw it but you just chose the wrong hand with the above post. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO EVERY AMERICAN

I couldn't believe that this was true -- till I went down to our local Dawson County Courthouse and got the information for our county--
this is true- right down to a little podunk county in Montana.

I'm sorry Lonecowboy-- but I'm not buying some theory put out by a nutcase website that is promoting Sympathetic Vibratory Physics- and trying to sell love machines :roll:

Why is SVP important?


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Achieving vibratory rotation has been and continues to be our chief scientific and engineering focus. In our replications of John Worrell Keely's devices (the dynaspheres) we have already achieved intermittent rotation (and considerable other etheric/psi effects) but not yet continuous rotation. Our continuing research and experimentation has yielded considerable understanding of how this ubiquitous and universal natural rotation occurs. Whether that rotation manifests as spinning atoms, tornados, hurricanes, rotating planets or galaxies.

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Lonecowboy

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OK OT-
I didn't believe it either at first, sounded too much like a conspiracy theory-but the thought stayed with me so I checked it out.
Go down to your local courthouse and ask them for a complete annual financial report, they are available to the public if you just ask for one.
NOT A BUDGET- an annual financial report- they are from June 30th-June 30th of each year so the new one should be out about now. See how much money your county has invested and who it's invested with.
This is your money OT- if you own property and pay taxes in your county this is your money that you were charged for services to be performed.
You were overcharged and the excess money has been invested "for" you.
Go see where it is.
I did this OT- in podunk Dawson County just south of you- I couldn't believe it. I took this information to a couple of my neighbors that both teach at the local college. The husband (republican) has a Doctorate in Economics- his wife (Staunch Democrat) is an accountant and former bank examiner- I asked them to read the report just to make sure I was reading it right. They were outraged and shocked to read this report and see just where their money was going.
I know at first this sounds like a snake oil salesman pitch- it will only take you a few minutes to go get this report and check it out for yourself to see what is happening in your county.It is very hard to get your mind around at first, but once the light bulb comes on you will be amazed.
 
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Anonymous

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lonecowboy- I worked with the county and budgets for 30 years-- and I also know that the counties/schools (county finances school districts too) have a lot of projects and long term expenditures that they are obligated to and must have the equity to cover it....Its state law...Much of the financing for these are done thru purchasing/selling of municipal bond packages--the majority of these which have to be approved by the voters each time....
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
lonecowboy- I worked with the county and budgets for 30 years-- and I also know that the counties/schools (county finances school districts too) have a lot of projects and long term expenditures that they are obligated to and must have the equity to cover it....Its state law...Much of the financing for these are done thru purchasing/selling of municipal bond packages--the majority of these which have to be approved by the voters each time....

OT-
this is like one of those hidden 3-D pictures, sometimes you have to stare at it a long time before you see what was right in front of you all along. Just because you don't see it yet doesn't mean that it isn't there.
Your talk about AIG and regulations and municipal bond packages and everything, these are the megapixels you have been preconditioned to see, you haven't seen the whole picture yet.
You can't see the forest because the leaves are in your way!
 
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