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Senior Repubs Slam Paul on Drone Filibuster

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Sens. McCain, Graham lambast 'ridiculous' drone filibuster by Paul

By Ramsey Cox - 03/07/13 12:02 PM ET





Two veteran GOP senators say Sen. Rand Paul "cheapened" the debate over drone policy with "ridiculous" arguments in his filibuster on Wednesday.

A day after the Paul filibuster made headlines, Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) sternly criticized his arguments on drone policy, which Paul made in an effort to block a confirmation vote on CIA nominee John Brennan.

McCain said Paul's argument that the administration might use a drone to kill Jane Fonda was "ridiculous," while Graham said he had cheapend the debate.

“To infer that the president is going to kill someone like Jane Fonda or someone who disagrees with him is simply ridiculous,” McCain said on the floor Thursday. “If someone is an enemy combatant, that enemy combatant has no where to hide, not even in a café.”

“To infer that our government would drop a Hellfire missile on Jane Fonda brings the conversation to a ridiculous tone,” he continued.


Paul brought up Fonda during his more than 12-hour talking filibuster on Wednesday.

“Is objection to the policy of your government sympathizing with the enemy?” Paul said Wednesday. “Are you just going to drop a Hellfire missile on Jane Fonda?” referring to the actress’s prominent anti-war stance during the Vietnam conflict.

Paul has asked President Obama to clarify if he believes he has the authority to launch a drone strike against a U.S. noncombatant on American soil.

“This president is not going to use a drone against an innocent person sitting at a café because it would be illegal,” Graham said Thursday. “It would be murder.”

Several other Republican senators joined Paul in support of his filibuster and line of questioning, but Graham questioned why his party all of the sudden has problems with the drone program.

I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

McCain and Graham said it is important for lawmakers to ask questions about the president’s drone program, but that inciting fear into Americans by suggesting that the president could randomly kill them is “offensive.”

"All I can say is I don’t think that what happened yesterday was helpful for the American people," McCain said.



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Yep-- Just as I've said all the time- the radical rights method is devisiveness is thru FEARMONGERING and HATEMONGERING....
 

Larrry

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Your kidding right ot, a leftwingernut teabagee preaching about someonelse
"FEARMONGERING and HATEMONGERING...."

This is so funny, I see your head is so far up obamas azs that when he opens his mouth you swallow
 

Mike

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Rand Paul Wins: Changing of the Guard?
Washingtonpost.com | March 7, 2013 | Jennifer Rubin


Earlier today, I noted that Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) were on opposite sides of a generational divide in the GOP that goes beyond ideology. That flared into an open spat as McCain, along with his closest amigo, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), openly slammed Paul, calling him “uninformed.” Graham pronounced that Paul didn’t deserve an answer. McCain hissed: “The country needs more senators who care about liberty, but if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.” That peevish retort may have reflected McCain’s sense that he had been badly upstaged. Or maybe he hadn’t followed the debate.

Then, with near-perfect timing, Paul got his response in a two-sentence letter from Attorney General Eric Holder. The first sentence was dishonest: “It has come to my attention you have now asked an additional question: ‘Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?’” In fact, that was Paul’s question all along. But Holder then admitted, no, the U.S. government doesn’t have the authority to target U.S. citizens at home who are not involved in hostilities.

Rand Paul got to crow in a series of interviews. He had pried an answer out of a White House habitually averse to treating a co-equal branch with respect. He certainly got more done than Graham and McCain did last night by attending a Georgetown dinner with the president, a White House move no doubt intended to reverse the president’s slide in the polls and make it seem like he was reaching out to Republicans.
 

Mike

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Looks like Dr. Paul is much of a Uniter.

I know its a crazy day when I agree with Van Jones! Wow:

If a GOP prez implied he could kill US citizens on US soil without due process, we liberals would be marching down street #ConsistencyCounts
— Van Jones (@VanJones68) March 7, 2013

The point is not whether OBAMA would abuse that kind of authority. The NEXT prez might. So we must be vigilant now & #consistent. #NoDrones
— Van Jones (@VanJones68) March 7, 2013

And John Cusack too

@cenkuygur: Great credit to Ron Wyden so far for being the only principled Democrat to join Rand Paul in arguing for the constitution.”— John Cusack (@johncusack) March 07, 2013

The Huffington Post:

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon) tweeted support, but otherwise progressives who might have assumed to have been supportive were absent, leaving members of the GOP as the sole defenders of civil liberties. The White House was equally silent.
And a big shocker at who I disagree with. John McCain:

...there were seven Republicans Senators that decided it was a better idea to eat dinner with the odious Obama instead of assisting Rand Paul. Worse, two Republicans actually denounced Paul’s efforts. All these Senators need to be gotten rid of.
Rand Paul used the debate about the nomination of John Brennan as his “in” to begin his filibuster. Obama offered the nomination of Brennan as his next CIA chief and Paul used his turn to speak about Brennan as a launching pad to force Obama and the CIA to agree not to kill Americans with domestic drone strikes without trail, warrant, or arrest.

The excitement from rank and file GOPers hungry for some kind of victory was tremendous. Unfortunately, two foolish GOP Senators actually denounced Rand Paul for his successful and exciting effort.
 

hypocritexposer

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"uniter"

If you went over to Huff Post last night, and read some of the comments, there were many Liberals and Progressives, that agreed with Rand Paul.

they are the ones with principles, but here on Ranchers, we don't seem to have any liberals that stick to their principles.
 

TexasBred

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“This president is not going to use a drone against an innocent person sitting at a café because it would be illegal,” Graham said Thursday. “It would be murder.”

A simple NO to this question would have avoided the entire thing but Holder would not say NO nor would he say it would be unconstitutional. When you're dealing with the likes of Obama, Holder et al, you dam well better get everything you can "on the record" and not leave anything up to debate or argument. Holder is now on record. Mission accomplished.
 

hypocritexposer

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TexasBred said:
“This president is not going to use a drone against an innocent person sitting at a café because it would be illegal,” Graham said Thursday. “It would be murder.”

A simple NO to this question would have avoided the entire thing but Holder would not say NO nor would he say it would be unconstitutional. When you're dealing with the likes of Obama, Holder et al, you dam well better get everything you can "on the record" and not leave anything up to debate or argument. Holder is now on record. Mission accomplished.


then again...they've been "on the record" before, and have done a quick 180. their actions do not match their words, that's for sure.
 

Whitewing

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OldCan'tMakeUpHisMind said:
Yep-- Just as I've said all the time- the radical rights method is devisiveness is thru FEARMONGERING and HATEMONGERING....

I'm confused. One day all the pubs are cultists following their cult leadership, the next there's division in pub ranks.

If I was a cynic, which I'm not.........
 

Whitewing

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“I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

The man might be as stupid as OT. Just sayin'......
 
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Whitewing said:
“I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

The man might be as stupid as OT. Just sayin'......

4 years ago and he was your cults Chosen Champion....

Now he is spurned and called stupid by the rightwingernut division of the R cult... :wink:
Makes you wonder if the radical right know what they want- or if they just want to see the country fail and anarchy prevail... :(
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
“I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

The man might be as stupid as OT. Just sayin'......

4 years ago and he was your cults Chosen Champion....

Now he is spurned and called stupid by the rightwingernut division of the R cult... :wink:
Makes you wonder if the radical right know what they want- or if they just want to see the country fail and anarchy prevail... :(

:lol: :lol:
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
“I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

The man might be as stupid as OT. Just sayin'......

4 years ago and he was your cults Chosen Champion....

Now he is spurned and called stupid by the rightwingernut division of the R cult... :wink:
Makes you wonder if the radical right know what they want- or if they just want to see the country fail and anarchy prevail... :(

Appears I was wrong, OT is actually more stupid.

Hey numbnut, that's not McSameAsOT's quote.
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
“I don’t remember any of you fellow Republicans coming down here and saying President [George W.] Bush was going to kill anyone with a drone,” Graham said. “But we had a drone program back then ... so what is it that’s got you so spun up now?”

The man might be as stupid as OT. Just sayin'......

4 years ago and he was your cults Chosen Champion....

Now he is spurned and called stupid by the rightwingernut division of the R cult... :wink:
Makes you wonder if the radical right know what they want- or if they just want to see the country fail and anarchy prevail... :(

Appears I was wrong, OT is actually more stupid.

Hey numbnut, that's not McSameAsOT's quote.

McCain and Graham were both slamming Paul in the article .. Whatever-- you love McCain now? and think Graham is stupid?...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
4 years ago and he was your cults Chosen Champion....

Now he is spurned and called stupid by the rightwingernut division of the R cult... :wink:
Makes you wonder if the radical right know what they want- or if they just want to see the country fail and anarchy prevail... :(

Appears I was wrong, OT is actually more stupid.

Hey numbnut, that's not McSameAsOT's quote.

McCain and Graham were both slamming Paul in the article .. Whatever-- you love McCain now? and think Graham is stupid?...

Graham has always come across to me as limp-wristed weasel.

During the 2008 campaign, I commented more than once that as much as I disliked McCain, every time I took one of those "who's you best fit for president" quizes, his name always came out on top.

So, I held my nose and supported him over Obama because I believed that despite his weaknesses, he was still far superior in every aspect. Time has proven me right.

Who did you support?
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Appears I was wrong, OT is actually more stupid.

Hey numbnut, that's not McSameAsOT's quote.

McCain and Graham were both slamming Paul in the article .. Whatever-- you love McCain now? and think Graham is stupid?...

Graham has always come across to me as limp-wristed weasel.

During the 2008 campaign, I commented more than once that as much as I disliked McCain, every time I took one of those "who's you best fit for president" quizes, his name always came out on top.

So, I held my nose and supported him over Obama because I believed that despite his weaknesses, he was still far superior in every aspect. Time has proven me right.

Who did you support?

I couldn't back McCain- because he refused to back away from thinking the same as GW-- until after the election when he went back to being the rogue individualist I think he really is...And as you know- everything GW touched turned to sh*t...
 

gmacbeef

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hypocritexposer said:
"uniter"

If you went over to Huff Post last night, and read some of the comments, there were many Liberals and Progressives, that agreed with Rand Paul.

they are the ones with principles, but here on Ranchers, we don't seem to have any liberals that stick to their principles.


LIBERALS DON'T HAVE PRINCIPLES !!!!
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
McCain and Graham were both slamming Paul in the article .. Whatever-- you love McCain now? and think Graham is stupid?...

Graham has always come across to me as limp-wristed weasel.

During the 2008 campaign, I commented more than once that as much as I disliked McCain, every time I took one of those "who's you best fit for president" quizes, his name always came out on top.

So, I held my nose and supported him over Obama because I believed that despite his weaknesses, he was still far superior in every aspect. Time has proven me right.

Who did you support?

I couldn't back McCain- because he refused to back away from thinking the same as GW-- until after the election when he went back to being the rogue individualist I think he really is...And as you know- everything GW touched turned to sh*t...

So who'd you vote for?
 

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