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Mike

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Mike, I never claimed to be an authority on BSE but it doesn't take much common sense to figure out that the agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety in the United States is bound to know more than most at this site.

Not many of us here really know much about BSE except by what we read in the papers. The "Scientific" Journals that have all the peer reviewed studies are by subscription only and are expensive to access.

But you are giving much more credit to the USDA than they are due. When Ann was in office she put together an International Review Panel that included the best minds and researchers in the world to assess BSE in the USA after the Washington cow and here is part of what they recommended:

"The subcommittee recommends that the SRM identified below be excluded from both the human food and animal feed chains.

1-Brain and spinal cord of all cattle over 12 months of age.

2-Skull and vertbral column of cattle over 12 months of age - these are not inherently infected, but cannot be separated from dorsal root/trigeminal ganglia or from residual contamination with CNS tissue.

3-Intestine - from pylorus to anus - from all cattle."

Well, Ann disregarded this panels recommendations!

This is the agency, that you purport to be in charge of our food safety.




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Anonymous

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and the US is just rampant with bse isn't it????

USDA "sideline critics" are a dime a dozen. What would blamers like you do without someone or something to bitch about?


~SH~
 

Econ101

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~SH~ said:
and the US is just rampant with bse isn't it????

USDA "sideline critics" are a dime a dozen. What would blamers like you do without someone or something to bitch about?


~SH~

The USDA was too scared to let Creekstone test for it.
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "The USDA was too scared to let Creekstone test for it."

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO FIND BSE IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE WITH A TEST THAT WON'T DETECT BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE!!!!

What part of that can't you understand???

Get past your need to blame usda.


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman: "The USDA was too scared to let Creekstone test for it."

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO FIND BSE IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE WITH A TEST THAT WON'T DETECT BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE!!!!

What part of that can't you understand???

Get past your need to blame usda.


~SH~

So now you are a bse expert in addition to your move up from gopher trapper? bse tester has already refuted this statement if they used his test. How do you know Japan would not have adopted his test by this time? Is it another one of your clairvoyant messages you recieve?
 

Mike

Well-known member
Econ101 said:
~SH~ said:
Conman: "The USDA was too scared to let Creekstone test for it."

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO FIND BSE IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE WITH A TEST THAT WON'T DETECT BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE!!!!

What part of that can't you understand???

Get past your need to blame usda.


~SH~

So now you are a bse expert in addition to your move up from gopher trapper? bse tester has already refuted this statement if they used his test. How do you know Japan would not have adopted his test by this time? Is it another one of your clairvoyant messages you recieve?

Another HISSY FIT? :wink: :wink:
 

Sandhusker

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Mike,
I notice SH wouldn't comment directly on Veneman ignoring what the scientists recommended. His response, "Oh, yeah, well you're all just a bunch of poopy-pants"! :lol: :lol:

And truth is his only bias...he only deals with the truth....good grief. :roll:
 

flounder

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SH WROTE;


and the US is just rampant with bse isn't it????


SH, as long as USDA continue to cover-up the real numbers of BSE/TSE in the USA (and this has been proven, via Texas and the OIG and the Honorable Phyllis Fong), continue to use the wrong BSE/TSE protocol for Testing (deliberately), wrong BSE surveillance protocols (deliberately), all proven and posted here time and time again, until folks like you that are so in debt to the USDA via there continued 'industry friendly' BSE/TSE surveillance and testing protocols, until all this is changed, the world will never know the true incidence of TSE/BSE in the USA, and this has been there goal all along. how else would one explain this;


A New Incidence of TME. In April of 1985, a mink rancher in Stetsonville, Wisconsin
reported that many of his mink were "acting funny", and some had died. At this time, we
visited the farm and found that approximately 10% of all adult mink were showing
typical signs of TME: insidious onset characterized by subtle behavioral changes, loss of
normal habits of cleanliness, deposition of droppings throughout the pen rather than in a
single area, hyperexcitability, difficulty in chewing and swallowing, and tails arched over
their _backs like squirrels. These signs were followed by progressive deterioration of
neurologic function beginning with locomoior incoordination, long periods of somnolence
in which the affected mink would stand motionless with its head in the corner of the
cage, complete debilitation, and death. Over the next 8-10 weeks, approximately 40% of
all the adult mink on the farm died from TME.
Since previous incidences of TME were associated with common or shared feeding
practices, we obtained a careful history of feed ingredients used over the past 12-18
months. The rancher was a "dead stock" feeder using mostly (>95%) downer or dead dairy
cattle and a few horses. Sheep had never been fed.


http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m09/tab05.pdf



SH WROTE;

Quote:
Conman: "The USDA was too scared to let Creekstone test for it."



THEY WEREN'T GOING TO FIND BSE IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE WITH A TEST THAT WON'T DETECT BSE PRIONS IN CATTLE UNDER 24 MONTHS OF AGE!!!!

What part of that can't you understand???

Get past your need to blame usda.


SH, who else you gonna blame, the cow or the consumer??? it was/is the USDA et al that keeps screwing up, time after time, year after years. and what part of BSE in young cattle don't you understand,
it has been documented in very young animals, and as testing becomes more sensitive, there will be even younger animals found. and IF those very sensitive test for TSE are not used, whos fault is that? and what makes you think that all USA TSE in bovine will look like UK BSE? lab studies with USA scrapie to cattle show a different strain, so explain that there SH? or can you?


Some Findings from Japan’s Cases
- Many of the BSE cases were with old cows, but there were 2 cases with much younger cattle – 21 and 23 months of age ( one of them was atypical BSE).

- None of the cows showed any clinical signs of BSE. The cattle in 5 cases were not even non-ambulatory.



http://www.us.emb-japan.go.jp/english/html/fafacts/bse/bse.htm



Research Project: Study of Atypical Bse Project Number: 3625-32000-073-07

http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000385



TSS
 

Tam

Well-known member
Mike said:
Mike, I never claimed to be an authority on BSE but it doesn't take much common sense to figure out that the agency taxed with the responsibility of food safety in the United States is bound to know more than most at this site.

Not many of us here really know much about BSE except by what we read in the papers. The "Scientific" Journals that have all the peer reviewed studies are by subscription only and are expensive to access.

But you are giving much more credit to the USDA than they are due. When Ann was in office she put together an International Review Panel that included the best minds and researchers in the world to assess BSE in the USA after the Washington cow and here is part of what they recommended:

"The subcommittee recommends that the SRM identified below be excluded from both the human food and animal feed chains.
1-Brain and spinal cord of all cattle over 12 months of age.

2-Skull and vertbral column of cattle over 12 months of age - these are not inherently infected, but cannot be separated from dorsal root/trigeminal ganglia or from residual contamination with CNS tissue.

3-Intestine - from pylorus to anus - from all cattle."

Well, Ann disregarded this panels recommendations!

This is the agency, that you purport to be in charge of our food safety.




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Mike Is't this really what they said?

The Proposed US ban on SRM removes the highest risk tissues from the human food supply and is accordance with OIE Standards when the number of cases which have been reported so far are considered. However given the epidemiological evidence indicating the BSE agent was already circulating in ruminant feed prior to the feed ban of 1997, and the integration of the North American cattle and feed industries, strong consideration should be given to excluding all SRM from both the human food and animal food supplies. This recommendation also follows the current trend in international recommendations to stop amplification and limit exposure.
Unless aggressive surveillance proves the BSE risk in the USA to be minimal according to OIE standards. The subcommittee recommends that the SRM identified below be excluded from both the human food and animal feed chains.[/b]
1-Brain and spinal cord of all cattle over 12 months of age.

2-Skull and vertbral column of cattle over 12 months of age - these are not inherently infected, but cannot be separated from dorsal root/trigeminal ganglia or from residual contamination with CNS tissue.

3-Intestine - from pylorus to anus - from all cattle
In the mean time, until the level of BSE risk has been established, the Subcommittee concedes that exclusion of CNS, skull, and vertebral column from cattle over 30 months and intestines from cattle of all ages, for use in human food is a reasonable temporary compromise.
Weren't the added measures recommended if the US wasn't minimal risk? And didn't the USDA surveillance establish the US was in the minimal risk catagory? So wouldn't that mean that the proposed US ban is in accordance with the OIE Standards? :???:
 

Mike

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And how long did it take to establish risk? They had not even approved a rapid test and could not test enough with IHC?
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "So now you are a bse expert in addition to your move up from gopher trapper?"

Never claimed to be a bse expert but at least I'm not a liar like you.

I trust the USDA a hell of a lot more than USDA blamers looking for someone or something to bitch about.


Conman: "bse tester has already refuted this statement if they used his test. How do you know Japan would not have adopted his test by this time? Is it another one of your clairvoyant messages you recieve?"

Once again you heard something that supported your bias and sunk your teeth into it like a rabid dog before even hearing the other side of the story. What a lemming!

Aren't we so blessed to have you USDA critics saving the consumers from the agency taxed with that responsibility. I'll sleep easier knowing that you are there to watch out for me. ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz!


Flounder, I can see by that post that you're another conspiracy theorist. You guys must really seek eachother out for solace huh?

At some point you too will have to bring the facts to support your allegations.



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman: "So now you are a bse expert in addition to your move up from gopher trapper?"

Never claimed to be a bse expert but at least I'm not a liar like you.

I trust the USDA a hell of a lot more than USDA blamers looking for someone or something to bitch about.


Conman: "bse tester has already refuted this statement if they used his test. How do you know Japan would not have adopted his test by this time? Is it another one of your clairvoyant messages you recieve?"

Once again you heard something that supported your bias and sunk your teeth into it like a rabid dog before even hearing the other side of the story. What a lemming!

Aren't we so blessed to have you USDA critics saving the consumers from the agency taxed with that responsibility. I'll sleep easier knowing that you are there to watch out for me. ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz!


Flounder, I can see by that post that you're another conspiracy theorist. You guys must really seek eachother out for solace huh?

At some point you too will have to bring the facts to support your allegations.



~SH~

You seem to trust the USDA as long as they are in bed with the NCBA/packers and agree with you.

Everyone is in a conspiracy against your positions, SH. Is the reality of it sinking in yet?
 
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Conman: "You seem to trust the USDA as long as they are in bed with the NCBA/packers and agree with you."

Another empty statement!

You have conspiracies about everyone else you disagree with why not me? LOL!


Conman: "Everyone is in a conspiracy against your positions, SH. Is the reality of it sinking in yet?"

Nah, I don't believe that. I just believe that anti-corporate packer blamers like you are so brainwashed that you will believe anything that supports that need to blame and come up with any number of conspiracy theories to support it. Truth and facts don't matter to a blamer.


~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman: "You seem to trust the USDA as long as they are in bed with the NCBA/packers and agree with you."

Another empty statement!

You have conspiracies about everyone else you disagree with why not me? LOL!


Conman: "Everyone is in a conspiracy against your positions, SH. Is the reality of it sinking in yet?"

Nah, I don't believe that. I just believe that anti-corporate packer blamers like you are so brainwashed that you will believe anything that supports that need to blame and come up with any number of conspiracy theories to support it. Truth and facts don't matter to a blamer.


~SH~

Is the U.S. sending beef to Japan now, SH?
 
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Anonymous

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Did the US send beef to Japan without testing since our first case of BSE?

Yes or no?



~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Did the US send beef to Japan without testing since our first case of BSE?

Yes or no?

~SH~

Why would you ask such dumb-assed questions? I sincerely believe you have gone over the deep end. :(
 
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Anonymous

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Conman: "Why would you ask such dumb-assed questions?"

TO POINT OUT HOW FRICKIN IRRELEVANT TO THE TESTING ARGUMENT IT IS THAT JAPAN IS NOT TAKING BEEF NOW!

The reason Japan is not taking beef now doesn't have a damn thing to do with testing. The reason Japan is not taking beef now has to do with the fact that Japan received a shipment of beef that contained bone fragments when we agreed to not ship any bone-in product. The fact that Japan has agreed to accept beef from the United States WITHOUT TESTING proves that they're government is not hanging on the testing demands as claimed by USDA blamers.

Why would you ask such a dumb-assed question about my dumb-assed question in response to Conman and Sandbag's dumb-assed question?

Where was your concern when the original dumb-assed question was asked ("is Japan taking our beef now")?

Hypocrite!



~SH~
 

Mike

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Conman: "Why would you ask such dumb-assed questions?"

TO POINT OUT HOW FRICKIN IRRELEVANT TO THE TESTING ARGUMENT IT IS THAT JAPAN IS NOT TAKING BEEF NOW!

The reason Japan is not taking beef now doesn't have a damn thing to do with testing. The reason Japan is not taking beef now has to do with the fact that Japan received a shipment of beef that contained bone fragments when we agreed to not ship any bone-in product. The fact that Japan has agreed to accept beef from the United States WITHOUT TESTING proves that they're government is not hanging on the testing demands as claimed by USDA blamers.

Why would you ask such a dumb-assed question about my dumb-assed question in response to Conman and Sandbag's dumb-assed statement?



~SH~

Excuse me. I'll take the credit for asking you why you are asking dumb-assed questions that everyone already knows the answer to.

Thank you.
 

Tam

Well-known member
Mike said:
And how long did it take to establish risk? They had not even approved a rapid test and could not test enough with IHC?

Mike just admit you left out the part that said
The Proposed US ban on SRM removes the highest risk tissues from the human food supply and is accordance with OIE Standards when the number of cases which have been reported so far are considered.
and
Unless aggressive surveillance proves the BSE risk in the USA to be minimal according to OIE standards. The subcommittee recommends
and
In the mean time, until the level of BSE risk has been established, the Subcommittee concedes that exclusion of CNS, skull, and vertebral column from cattle over 30 months and intestines from cattle of all ages, for use in human food is a reasonable temporary compromise.
Mike I agree the USDA testing has been half as**d but since you can find 1 per million per year and still be in the minimal risk catagory I think most would agree that the US is well within the numbers to be considered minimal risk.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam, "Mike I agree the USDA testing has been half as**d but since you can find 1 per million per year and still be in the minimal risk catagory I think most would agree that the US is well within the numbers to be considered minimal risk."

Tam, the US has 90 million head. If the US found 90 cases this year, or even half that, do you think our consumers and our customers would say, "no biggee, that's still minimal risk"? That minimal risk classification is a sad joke.
 
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