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Shamie has some explainin' to do

lightninboy

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9-11: BOMBS INSIDE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND PENTAGON
By Danish Scientist, Henrik Melvang
Written in late 2002

On Sept. 12, nobody in the medias reported about these bombs anymore, or seemed to care about the existence of these huge bombs since almost everyone had already bought into the phony and pre-arranged, pre-staged and pre-scripted:
"Bin Laden, Al-Queda, Airplane-Coverup, STORY"
- With photos of 19 Arabs, and the phony Atta-Jihad- Suicide letter, etc.

THERE WERE SEVERAL BOMBS INSIDE BOTH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER AND THE PENTAGON!
The collapse of the WTC and Pentagon was not caused by the plane crash and the fire inside. Why do they deny the fact? The FBI and CIA officially deny there were several bombs detonated inside the buildings.
If they admit the existence of all these huge bombs, they can no longer maintain the "Jihad Matrix" as the convenient scapegoat theory.
People would soon realize that the real enemy, is not from "outside" - but instead an: "Enemy Within".
Also people would soon realize that the Al-Queda network would not have spent so many resources in the hijacking of 4 or more airplanes, if they had already placed several bombs inside the WTC and Pentagon.

No debris from a plane crash was visible outside the Pentagon - obviously there was NO plane crash!

The first Official reports of the Pentagon Attack was that something "Unidentified" had struck Pentagon at circa 9:30 (Washington Local time). As a matter of fact this Official theory of an "Unidentified Plane" crashing at circa 9:30 was presented by most of the big Newspapers here in Denmark (Europe) on September 12, 2001. Some other papers said circa 9:45 , but in general most Newspapers said 9.30. Later on Sept 13 - the FBI changed all this. Also the route of "Flight 77" was changed.
On Sept. 12 all the Danish Newspapers reported that "Flight 77" flew from Washington "Dulles" to New York and crashed into TOWER 2 (the 2WTC "Southtower") at circa 9:30 (New York local time)
But the next day all this had suddenly changed. WHY???
On Sept. 13-14 the FBI explained that "Flight 77" did not fly to New York, but had hit the Pentagon instead. Then they also changed the time from 9:30 to 9:43 (or 9:45). Obviously the factual and correct "Pentagon time" 9:30 - is very important! Several Eyewitnesses confirmed that they saw "Smoke from Pentagon" at circa 9:30. And if there is smoke.... there is also...... Fire!
The FBI's claim about 9:45 was made to link the Pentagon Attack to Flight 77.
But as I said before people had already seen FIRE and Smoke at 9:30.
On Sept. 11, the (now present) Danish Foreign Minister Mr. Per Stig Møller was in Washington, and was therefore interviewed by "Denmarks Radio" DR "P3" early in the morning at circa 7:30 on Sept. 12. And he explained that he had seen a big cloud of "FIRE" and "SMOKE" from the Pentagon at circa 9:32 (local time).

http://www.worldgathering.net/world/melvang1.html
 

Whitewing

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The Ruling Elite of the Permanent Revolution (Zionism in alliance with Anglo-Freemasonry)

Any article that begins with the above is definitely a fact-based piece of work. :lol:
 

lightninboy

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Whitewing said:
The Ruling Elite of the Permanent Revolution (Zionism in alliance with Anglo-Freemasonry)

Any article that begins with the above is definitely a fact-based piece of work. :lol:
What have I said that isn't true?
 

lightninboy

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July 26, 2005

Barbara Honegger is a former whistleblower and is now a military-affairs reporter. She worked with Mike Ruppert on his "Crossing the Rubicon" but does not endorse all of Ruppert's conclusions-- particularly about Cheney being the mastermind behind 9/11.

BH describes the Pentagon hit as the "Rosetta Stone" and the "Holy Grail" of 9/11 because what happened there was very important for understanding 9/11 in general.

A key point is that the hit on the Pentagon, the killing of military personnel, was critical for engaging the military in this new "war", as opposed to 9/11 merely being a larger version of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Okay, to the meat of it-- the exact time of the Pentagon hit has been in dispute since 9/11. Initially, the time was 9:47am, then 9:45am, then 9:42am, then finally 9:37am as the final time settled on by the 9/11 commission. So there clearly has been some doubt about the timing of the event.

Strikingly, BH has extremely strong evidence from several different sources that the Pentagon was hit between 9:31am and 9:32am, five to six minutes earlier than even the earliest time officially admitted. This is physical evidence (stopped clocks) and several witnesses to the Pentagon hit.

So why is this five minutes SO IMPORTANT???

Bush left the classroom at 9:32am.

The idea therefore, is that Bush and his people ONLY reacted to 9/11 when the MILITRARY had gotten hit. They didn't really care so much about civilians dying.

But according to Paul Thompson's timeline, Bush left the classroom at 9:29am, then at 9;34am was rushed out of the school-- it looks like only after the Pentagon was hit at 9:32am did they realize Bush was in danger!

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/07/bush-and-timing-of-pentagon-hit-on-911.html


July 29, 2005

To cut to the chase, BH thinks the Pentagon was NOT hit by flight 77, but rather sets of bombs, a truck bomb (on a green fire-truck) and bombs planted inside the Pentagon as well. She this was perhaps followed by a heat-seeking missile. She does not claim to know exactly what hit the Pentagon, but doesn't think it was flight 77.

So why does she think this?

First, where the Pentagon was hit is highly suspicious, the "violent event" precisely took out two groups of people: the naval Command Center and the Army's Financial Auditing Office (this is significant because shortly before 9/11, Rumsfeld announced that huge amounts of money had been lost by the Pentagon).

Second, the dearth of airline debris that was found.

Third, the size of the initial hole in the Pentagon facade was too small for a 757.

Fourth, the initial report from Associated Press of what happened at the Pentagon described a "booby-trapped truck bomb".

Fifth, she describes the account of Robert Andrews, who was the Head of Special Operations at the Pentagon at this time (note: I have verified this). He says after he heard of what happened at the WTC on 9/11, he went to a special counter-terrorism center in the basement of the Pentagon (near where the "violent event" was). While he was in there, monitoring the situation, he says at 9:32am there was an explosion that almost completely destroyed the counter-terrorism center. He managed to escape and here is where is gets really interesting: Andrews said he emerged out on ground level at the innermost A ring of the Pentagon and he saw dead bodies on the ground there. This was a face-to-face interview between Honegger and Andrews, and BH said that immediately after Andrews said this, he blushed, as if he had said something he didn't want to say or mean to say.

6) After the "violent event" at the Pentagon, people started evacuating the building, and many people were loudly saying a bomb had gone off.

7) An Army auditor from Fort Monouth was working at the Pentagon during this time, and he said on 9/11 when he got off the Metro subway at the Pentagon, he saw bomb-sniffing dogs. This was the only time he ever saw bomb-sniffing dogs at the Pentagon. This auditor also confirmed that the violent event happened at 9:32am.

So this is the extent of what BH said relating a bomb event at the Pentagon. I don't think she is a complete flake, and I take what she says seriously. She was one of the first people to report about the military wargames on 9/11 and she was completely right about that.

Here are some other pieces of evidence that fit the explosives theory:

At least two witnesses smelled "cordite", a product of high explosives.

The linear path of damage through the E-D-C rings of the Pentagon never really made complete sense to me for plane damage, particularly considering all the pillars and inner walls in the way.

In the damaged area, one section of the ceiling is blown out. Note how the columns are more heavily damaged here than before and after-- almost as if there was a specific explosive event here. This piece of evidence has been noted by Dave McGowan here.

US Congressional Representative John Murtha had an early report that a bomb went off at the Pentagon.

I have heard rumors that there was some sort of terror exercise at the Pentagon on 9/11 (hence the bomb-sniffing dogs), but I don't have a specific reference.

The French author Thierry Meyssan, famous for his missile-into-the-Pentagon theory, actually initially proposed that the Pentagon was hit by a truck bomb.

The web-site 911-strike deals with what happened at the Pentagon and entertains the idea of pre-planted bombs.

Finally, there is the testimony of April Gallup (this was related at the workshop by author Jim Marrs who interviewed her), who was at the Pentagon when the violent event happened-- she actually crawled out of the hole in the E ring where the plane supposedly went in, and she saw no evidence of a plane. When she was in the hospital, she was visited by government-suit types who wouldn't say where they were from but kept drilling it into her head that a plane had hit the Pentagon. Marrs thought that they were "debriefing her" and getting her story straight.

So what to make of all this?

Of course, skeptics to this will always say "What happened to the real flight 77?" "What about all those eye-witnesses of a plane?"

My answer is a) I don't know, but there are several possibilities, and b) they are lying or they saw something besides flight 77, such as a missile.

One possibility we can't rule out is that there were planted bombs AND that flight 77 also hit the Pentagon. This might account for the evidence best-- particularly the massive confusion over when the Pentagon was hit, although it is really just a theory like anything else. And I have gone over on this site many times why flight 77/a Boeing 757 is unlikely to have hit the Pentagon. Nonetheless, combining a plane stirke with bombs is what has been proposed for the WTC hit as well.

I strongly think that something happened at the Pentagon besides a plane strike.

The planted bombs and a heat-seeking missile strike is feasible, but there is little evidence for a missile, really.

In general, I think it is quite possible that the evidence of a 757 hitting the Pentagon, such as airplane debris, was planted. The best way to do this would be to package bombs with the airplane parts in different parts of the Pentagon. While this may seem absurd, remember this section of the Pentagon had been recently renovated and non-military people had access to the building. The planting of the 757 parts may have been done in conjunction with the renovation. I know it sounds absurd, but I think it is possible that all the evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon is a massive illusion-- including the downed-light poles on the highway. This would mean the eye-witnesses again, are either lying or they saw a plane fly over the Pentagon at the same time the bombs went off.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2005/07/was-pentagon-actually-hit-by-pre.html
 

lightninboy

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What Really Happened?

The plane that hit the North Tower I of the World Trade Center was a windowless plane, not UA flight 11, fitted with a DU-tipped missile it used to ensure a spectacular fire. There were no passengers or crew aboard. It was flown by wire. The building itself was demolished with pre-planted explosives.
The plane that hit South Tower II of the World Trade Center was a windowless plane, not UA flight 175, fitted with a DU-tipped missile it used to ensure a spectacular fire. There were no passengers or crew aboard. It was flown by wire. The building itself was demolished with pre-planted explosives.
The plane that hit the Pentagon was a drone, a Douglas A-3 Sky Warrior, not AA flight 77, fitted with a DU-tipped missile and Raytheon’s Global Hawk Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) remote control systems. The intent was to do minimal damage to an unoccupied wing of the building, but still produce a fireball, but not a fuel fire that could get out of hand. There were no passengers or crew aboard. It was flown by wire.
Flight 93 landed in Cleveland Ohio according to WCPO TV due to a bomb scare. Perhaps it did. Perhaps it was shot down over Pennsylvania field between Lambertsville and Shanksville as Rumsfeld appeared to confess.
World Trade Tower 7 was demolished by pre-planted explosives.
What happened the passengers? This is the biggest mystery. There are very few clues. Presumably UA flight 11, UA flight 175 and AA flight 77 were forced to land somewhere. The planes were then taken apart and used for parts. Presumably the passengers were killed. Alternatively, but less likely, the planes were shot down over the ocean or some remote area. Cheney was quite happy to brutally sacrifice the lives of people in the World Trade Towers, so presumably he was quite willing to sacrifice the passengers too. A longshot is that there were no passengers. The names were all fake and nobody boarded any planes or those that did were in on the scam and are alive and well somewhere living under new identities.

http://mindprod.com/politics/bush911really.html


I go along with CIT’s “nothing but explosives” theory EXCEPT for the possibility that there were indeed whole A-3 Skywarrior engines, wings and fuselage outside the Pentagon. If there were, it is conceivable that they were planted in the Pentagon. It is also conceivable that an A-3 Skywarrior did indeed crash into the Pentagon. Either way, the Pentagon was probably already planted with explosives to bring the roof down.
 
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Anonymous

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what is your theory on the passengers LB?

personally I do not know. this is why we need an real investigation done in a bad way...
 

Mike

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Oh my God. Please somebody do something with these two fruitcakes.

I don't read all that incessant rambling, but one just asked the other what was his/it's "theory" on the passengers. I presume in 911.

Macon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I truly believe in freedom of speech but the Constitution says nothing about "Stupid Speech".
 
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Anonymous

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Mike said:
Oh my God. Please somebody do something with these two fruitcakes.

I don't read all that incessant rambling, but one just asked the other what was his/it's "theory" on the passengers. I presume in 911.

Macon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I truly believe in freedom of speech but the Constitution says nothing about "Stupid Speech".

how did your commercial jet get thru this hole again?

http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/exit_hole/
 

hypocritexposer

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Mike said:
Oh my God. Please somebody do something with these two fruitcakes.

I don't read all that incessant rambling, but one just asked the other what was his/it's "theory" on the passengers. I presume in 911.

Macon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I truly believe in freedom of speech but the Constitution says nothing about "Stupid Speech".


:lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_n3hg-Gbg




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Anonymous

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Mike,

I would love to hear your explanation of 9/11. I am sure you have some real insight on how it all went down.

explain the pentagon hole size. that should be interesting.
 

Whitewing

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shaumei said:
what is your theory on the passengers LB?

personally I do not know. this is why we need an real investigation done in a bad way...

Trust me, your "investigations" have been done in a bad way.
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
shaumei said:
what is your theory on the passengers LB?

personally I do not know. this is why we need an real investigation done in a bad way...

Trust me, your "investigations" have been done in a bad way.

Explain this:

http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/exit_hole/
 

Whitewing

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shaumei said:
Whitewing said:
shaumei said:
what is your theory on the passengers LB?

personally I do not know. this is why we need an real investigation done in a bad way...

Trust me, your "investigations" have been done in a bad way.

Explain this:

http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/exit_hole/

It would appear to me that you've linked yet another loony website full of conjecture, speculation, and wild-ass claims, none of which are supported in the least.

How'd I do with that explanation?
 

lightninboy

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shaumei said:
what is your theory on the passengers LB?

personally I do not know. this is why we need an real investigation done in a bad way...
AA77 was supposedly booked with fewer passengers than normal and about all of them were affiliated with the conspirators. Did they even get on the plane? Was AA77 even really scheduled to fly on 9/11? Apparently they were either an asset or a liability to the conspirators.
 

lightninboy

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Oh, I think there definitely were large A-3 Skywarrior parts at the Pentagon and Penren definitely didn't plant them inside the Pentagon and an A-3 Skywarrior definitely flew south of Citgo (its shadow is caught on the Citgo videotape) through the planted toppled lightpoles and fired a AGM ahead of it and crashed at the Pentagon and the CIT five witnesses definitely saw the 757 but didn't notice the A-3 Skywarrior. Planted explosives definitely brought the roof down. Paul Andrew Mitchell is right, CIT is partly right, Terral L. Croft is partly right.

Colonel Mustard killed Mister Body with the lead pipe in the conservatory.
 

hypocritexposer

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Whitewing said:
And Toto and Dorothy lived happily ever after.


I heard the jews inflicted Toto with a urinary infection that was not curable. Dorothy was heartbroken, and she did not live happily ever after, once she found out that the zionists had killed her dog. Sarah Palin supposedly paid for the covert op.

I got the you tube, if you're interested.......
 
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Anonymous

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it is always fun to have to share a political board with children...but, they have nothing to add as they just have no ability to think on their own anymore...fluoride and shots did them in years ago...sad case for our country but these are the morons that we must wake up to make a majority difference.
 

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