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lightninboy

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Rare German Photos Expose 911 Pentagon Hoax
By Jon Carlson
5-2-2006
Since the Pentagon refuses to release any of the 85 videos the FBI claims don't show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon, any other supporting photos, OR not one Flight 77 part with its identifying part number, we have found rare photos from a German website that make it crystal clear that a A3 Skywarrior substituted for Flight 77 hit the front Pentagon masonry wall like a bug on a windshield.

http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/kein-kr
ieg/hintergrund/index-rezension-3.html

Eyewitness Vin Narayanan, USATODAY.com:

The hijacked jet slammed into the Pentagon at a ferocious speed. But the Pentagon's wall held up like a champ. It barely budged as the nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball. The people who built that wall should be proud.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/17/first-person.htm

During an appearance on The Power Hour radio program today, USAF Col. George Nelson (ret.), a 30 year veteran, aircraft accident investigator and expert in aircraft maintenance and aircraft identification, stunned listeners by stating that in regard to the 911 attack at the Pentagon, "I didn't see any damage on the sides of that hole, anything that would say that an airplane that size could have gone through a 16 or 18 ft. hole." He was referring to the hole seen at the Pentagon before the collapse of the e-ring. He went on to say, "There would be large parts of that wing lying on the ground on the outside. It wouldn't all go through that hole. It is impossible for all of the time change parts that have these serial numbers that are trackable to the specific aircraft, it is impossible for them to be totally destroyed where these serial numbers could not be read." www.physics911.net/georgenelson.htm

This photo shows an engine and the fuselage section of a A3 Skywarrior. Most of the aircraft was blown to bits that rained down for blocks around by onboard explosives:
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Photoanalyst Jack White adds that many Pentagon photos are not genuine.

http://www.rense.com/general70/3o.htm
 

lightninboy

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Pentagon 911 Blue Tarp Photo Uncovered
By Jon Carlson
4-24-2006
In March an Aerospace investigator with 15 years experience analyzing Shuttle accidents emailed that he wanted photos of the Pentagon HOLE and the impact engine. His plan was to determine the angle of approach of the aircraft by calculating the distance of the engine from the the engine's impact on the wall and to write an article putting to rest the controversy of the approach angle. MSM claims the aircraft impacted at a 45 degree angle and penetrated 3 rings of the Pentagon. That article NOT being written makes it evident that the MSM Pentagon Hoax is full of holes.

Using the dimensions of the typical Pentagon wall limestone block (circled in blue in the first photo), 5 feet long and 2 feet high, the engine impact gouge (circled in orange) can be calculated at 52 inches wide. Pratt & Whitney lists the Fan tip diameter at 39.9 - 49.2 in. When the engine case thickness is added the 52 inch gouge matches a JT8D engine.

The JT8D engine is circled in yellow. There are now over 15 photos of the two ton engine in front of the engine impact gouge for corroboration. The NYC street engine from the South Tower crash, a Boeing 737 CFM56 engine NOT from the Flight 175 Boeing 767, which we also were the first to identify had 'only' 10 photos:

gougec.jpg


Notice the gash across the hood where the left wing end hit after it bounced off the Pentagon wall:
gashed20car20impact.jpg

This photo shows the wing end adjacent to the white car:

This photo shows the upfolded wings of a A3 Skywarrior, one of which is believed to be under that blue tarp:
carriera3.jpg


The A3 Skywarrior is a carrier-based bomber resembling a 737 or 757 in flight
museum500.jpg


It could have taken off from aircraft carrier George Washington anchored off Long Island on 9/11 that is believed to be the base of operations for the South Tower military helicopter and the white jet seen in all 9/11 locations.

Finally, this photo shows a similar wing end on the right side of the Pentagon crash area:
right20wingtipc.jpg


http://www.rense.com/general70/tarp.htm
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Photoanalyst Jack White adds that many Pentagon photos are not genuine.

And this is always the fallback position, isn't it?

Video of jets hitting the twin towers but Shamu asks, "where's the video of them boarding the planes"?

Show a video today of the jetliner hitting the Pentagon and the default response is, fake.

It's never good enough, whatever is produced to show what happened.

You guys can't be bothered by evidence because your minds were made up long ago.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
lightninboy said:
Pentagon 911 Blue Tarp Photo Uncovered
By Jon Carlson
4-24-2006
In March an Aerospace investigator with 15 years experience analyzing Shuttle accidents emailed that he wanted photos of the Pentagon HOLE and the impact engine. His plan was to determine the angle of approach of the aircraft by calculating the distance of the engine from the the engine's impact on the wall and to write an article putting to rest the controversy of the approach angle. MSM claims the aircraft impacted at a 45 degree angle and penetrated 3 rings of the Pentagon. That article NOT being written makes it evident that the MSM Pentagon Hoax is full of holes.

Using the dimensions of the typical Pentagon wall limestone block (circled in blue in the first photo), 5 feet long and 2 feet high, the engine impact gouge (circled in orange) can be calculated at 52 inches wide. Pratt & Whitney lists the Fan tip diameter at 39.9 - 49.2 in. When the engine case thickness is added the 52 inch gouge matches a JT8D engine.

The JT8D engine is circled in yellow. There are now over 15 photos of the two ton engine in front of the engine impact gouge for corroboration. The NYC street engine from the South Tower crash, a Boeing 737 CFM56 engine NOT from the Flight 175 Boeing 767, which we also were the first to identify had 'only' 10 photos:

gougec.jpg


Notice the gash across the hood where the left wing end hit after it bounced off the Pentagon wall:
gashed20car20impact.jpg

This photo shows the wing end adjacent to the white car:

This photo shows the upfolded wings of a A3 Skywarrior, one of which is believed to be under that blue tarp:
carriera3.jpg


The A3 Skywarrior is a carrier-based bomber resembling a 737 or 757 in flight
museum500.jpg


It could have taken off from aircraft carrier George Washington anchored off Long Island on 9/11 that is believed to be the base of operations for the South Tower military helicopter and the white jet seen in all 9/11 locations.

Finally, this photo shows a similar wing end on the right side of the Pentagon crash area:
right20wingtipc.jpg


http://www.rense.com/general70/tarp.htm

Your fingers have got to stink after reaching so deep.
 

lightninboy

Well-known member
lightninboy said:
A variety of websites contain attacks on the case for a cruise missile. Here, a representative sample will be analyzed.

Pentagon "Missile" Hoax
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
Let's Roll Forums
Phil Jayhan
Admin

The Truth about OILEMPIRE.US and Mark Robinowitz
7 Aug 2004

Heres the skinny; Well, me thought it unusual that a 911 person would be so hostile to the best proof on the internet and start a Jihad against both me and the website. So I thought I would search him out; And its damn interesting. Remember his website trashes EVERY energy source but OIL, reduces 911 into a LIHOP/let it happen event, pushes PEAK OIL, and need I say more?

Mark Rabinowitz, from oilempire.org;

His web host for his website 207.189.160.107 was purchased through domainsbyproxy.com, which is owned by Wild West Productions;

So I did a search on that address, and lo and behold....

Now follow me here, Wild West Productions which is located at, you guessed it; 15111 N Hayden Rd. Scotsdale Arizona.

The property that the building which his web server sits, the property itself, as well as the location of Wild west Productions, is listed as being owned by, get this; 'Carlyle - Inc'.

Now go and see who 'Carlyle-Inc' leases this property in ARIZONA from, and your going to love this; The Bureau of Land Management in Wyoming!!!

He is actively involved with these people,

Jerry Russell, www.911-strike.com | Jan Spencer, www.efn.org/~spencerj

link:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/282131.shtml

He has a strong link with 911truth.org. This site encourages him with a link to his that exposes bogus 911 websites. While you're there, do you get the impression that this site has contracted the disease "marketing strategy"? Seems people have invested a lot of money in exposing the truth about 9/11. PRODUCTS like books and dvd's, with the increasingly common Michael Ruppert connection at the bottom of the page.

The one thing all these versions of the truth have in common is the fact they leave out one key issue. The existence of the pod. The longer this goes on, the more money they make. They stand to lose a great deal of investment when the "pod theory breaks". Seems to me they have a good incentive for trying to discredit the pod and letsroll911.

This guy's gotta be working for the goobermint.

Anyone who links to OilEmpire.org is 'open season'.

Also as you will recall several of the "supposed" hijackers had flight training in Scottsdale....

http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/telegraph092001.html

Carlyle Group has well-known ties to the CIA (George HW Bush was a Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board, also the former director of the CIA)...
Carlyle Leasing owns the building that the oilempire website's domains-by-proxy host is located in (at least that's the address they're using on paper)...and apparently it's also where a crapload of spam originates...nice...the CIA is behind spam??? What the........

Conclusion: Mark Rabbinowitz is a CIA mouthpiece and a bunch of 911 truth seekers have been had!

All you suckers that thought oilempire was the truth need to read this...
ZEN. . . AND THE ART OF DEBUNKERY
(C) 1993 by Daniel Drasin

A Google search on ABN-AMRO and Carlyle Group reveals the two to be joined at the hip. ...Lots and lots of links.

Here's an excerpt from Sherman Skolnick's Overthrow of the American Republic, Part Three:

"The Carlyle Group, headquartered in the nation's capital, specializes in seizing control of shaky aerospace and defense contractors and then strong-arming, some say blackmailing, contracts out of the Department of Defense. An investor in the Carlyle Group has been George Herbert Walker Bush. The Elder Bush has been a paid consultant to the Bin Laden Group, helping them with his CIA links. Bush helped create Osama bin Laden as an American CIA bought and paid for alleged "terrorist", originally dubbed a "freedom fighter" to wear out the Soviets in their prolonged war, 1979-1989, in Afghanistan. The monopoly press falsely states that Osama is on the outs with his family, yet his family reportedly funnels tens of millions of dollars to Osama through banks such as Algemene Bank Nederland, now called ABN-AMRO, in part through their American flagship, Chicago-based La Salle National Bank. [We have identified La Salle as also having secret accounts for bribing state and federal judges.] To evade having their own secrets coming out linked to Osama, the Younger Bush White House flatly refuses to freeze Osama's numerous accounts, wire-transfers, and such through ABN-AMRO.

The Carlyle Group, in turn, is owned and supervised by a worldwide reputed money laundry for World Government, the BLACKSTONE GROUP."

http://letsrollforums.com/truth-oilempire-us-and-t1247.html
 

lightninboy

Well-known member
The Pentagon and 9-11 -- Did you know?

- Did you know that although a number of lamp standards near the Pentagon were knocked down because they were allegedly in the flight path of the Boeing 757, there were other objects (for example, a construction site surrounded by a high chain link fence, a large generator, and tall spools of wire) in the same projected flight path of the Boeing 757 that were untouched?


- Did you know that a Boeing 757-200, the American Airlines version which supposedly hit the Pentagon, is 155 feet long, has a wingspan of 125 feet, and measures 18 feet from the bottom of the engine to the top of the fuselage, with a fuselage that is 13 feet in diameter, engines which are nine feet in diameter, and there is a distance of 45 feet from the bottom of the engine to the top of the tail?


- Did you know according to the US military and press reports, the object which struck the Pentagon hit at an oblique, 45 degree angle, which, if true, means that the surface area of the Pentagon that allegedly was impacted by a Boeing 757 would have increased to about 177 feet?


- Did you know that even if the engines of a Boeing 757-200 were dragging along the grass, the plane is tall enough that it would have impacted at least two floors of the Pentagon?


- Did you know that there is absolutely no evidence of a Boeing 757 having made contact with any portion of the grass which is in front of the Pentagon, and this means, depending on how high off the ground the Boeing was when it allegedly hit the building, more than two stories of the Pentagon should have been impacted by the plane?


- Did you know that the impact hole in the front exterior of the Pentagon building was estimated to be between 15 and 18 feet wide – that is, not even as wide as the collective diameter of two jet engines, and, more importantly, not as wide as the collective width of such engines plus the portions of the wings and the fuselage that separate the engines from each other?


- Did you know that even after a portion of the Pentagon collapsed from the collective forces of fire and firefighting techniques, the collapsed section, which is broader than the original impact hole, only measures half of the wing width of a Boeing 757?

- Did you know that there are photographs of the Pentagon which were taken just after the collision showing an intact wall, approximately 25 feet above the ground which is just over the point of impact on the west side of the Pentagon, and this intact wall shows no evidence of having been struck by the tail of a commercial jet (and the distance from the bottom of the engine to the tip of the tail is 45 feet) traveling at some 3- 400 miles an hour?


- Did you know that Francois Grangier, who is an expert on air crashes, and who examined photographs of the Pentagon crash site, has stated that no Boeing 757 airplane caused the observable damage to the façade of the west wing of the Pentagon?


- Did you know that the nose of a Boeing, referred to as the radome, contains electronic navigation gear, and it is made of carbon fiber so that it can permit passage of electronic waves?


- Did you know that the radome is far too fragile and lacks the sort of density which could have penetrated a succession of concrete ring-walls at the Pentagon to have caused the above mentioned exit hole in the interior C-ring of the Pentagon?



- Did you know that in the case of all air crashes, the National Transportation Safety Board has primary jurisdiction and that removing evidence from a crash site constitutes a prosecutable felony?


- Did you know that despite being a crime scene in which hundreds of people were murdered and millions of dollars of damage inflicted, all forensic evidence was removed from the scene of the crime, in and around the Pentagon, within a matter of days?


- Did you know that because the Pentagon is situated in Arlington County, Virginia, jurisdiction for fighting the fire should have belonged to the Arlington County Fire Department, but their fire fighters were not permitted to get near to the primary impact site and, instead, had to fight the fire from a distance?


- Did you know that the Arlington County firefighters were kept away from the location where the airliner was supposed to have been by the Urban Search and Rescue Team of FEMA?


- Did you know that the five released frames show an incorrect date stamp of September 12, 2001 and, as well, the time stamp for the released frames indicates a time of 17: 37 rather than 9: 38 a.m. or thereabouts when the actual event took place?


- Did you know that Pierre-Henri Bunel, an artillery and explosives expert who served as an ally with General Schwartzkopf during Desert Storm, has examined the foregoing video footage as well as other photographic evidence concerning the Pentagon event and has concluded that the Pentagon event gave evidence (such as the color – indicating temperature -- of the fireball, its manner of expansion, the kind of fire equipment used in combating the fire) of a high-yield explosive denotation at the Pentagon and not the sort of deflagration which would have arisen from a jet fuel fire caused by the impact of a large commercial airliner?


- Did you know that the voice and flight data recorders which were purportedly from Flight 77 were found on September 14, 2001, along with a light beacon, but that, allegedly, the two recorders were too severely damaged by the fires to yield recoverable data?


- Did you know that Ed Plaugher, the fire chief for the Arlington County Fire Department, who originally reported (between September 12 and 14, 2001) seeing no large portions of a 757 Boeing in the fire debris at the Pentagon, subsequently (some 6 months after September 11, 2001), changed his account to say that he recollects having seen portions of wings, fuselage, engine, landing gear, seats, and one of the two black boxes from the airplane?


- Did you know that when 60-plus tons of melted plane were not found at the Pentagon event, the story began to circulate that at 5,400 degrees Fahrenheit, aluminum turns into a gas, and, so, one would not find much aluminum tonnage remaining?


- Did you know that no one has come up with a plausible explanation of how temperatures of 5,400 degrees were reached, let alone sustained for a sufficiently long period of time, to gasify the aluminum from the alleged Boeing plane?


- Did you know that even if someone were to come up with a plausible explanation for the generation of such sustained temperatures, there is no concomitant explanation for why this sort of extensive temperatures and heat did not do more damage to the rest of the building surrounding the hole of impact or why the grass outside of the west side of the Pentagon remained un-singed?


- Did you know that even if someone were to come up with a plausible explanation for the generation of sustained heat capable of liquefying and gasifying 60 tons of aluminum, nevertheless, they have not been able to account for how – given the presence of such heat – that authorities were able to identify some of the people who died in the wreckage from their fingerprints?


- Did you know that despite the accounts of disintegration, liquefying, and gasifying of the Boeing 747, the FBI claims that it was able to recover a large portion of the 757 debris and that this all has been marked with the serial number of Flight 77 and has been stored in a warehouse – although pictures of this catalog of debris have never been released to the public?


- Did you know that one of the first people to claim that a plane had hit the Pentagon was Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld who claimed that the walked the 2000 feet from the east side to the west side of the Pentagon to examine the damage and who, supposedly, saw thousands of pieces of debris which were identifiable as from an airplane?


- Did you know evidence presented by Richard Clarke in his book Against All Enemies, as well as during his testimony before the 9-11 Commission, directly contradicts the foregoing account given by Secretary Rumsfeld, because according to Clarke, Rumsfeld was participating in a teleconference with him during this time?


- Did you know that when April Gallop was recovering in the hospital, she was visited by men who never identified themselves but who strongly suggested that she take the package from the Victim Compensation Fund, keep her mouth shut, and who emphasized again and again that a plane had hit the Pentagon?


- Did you know that a number of Pentagon witnesses indicated that they heard two explosions on the morning of 9-11?


- Did you know that there are conflicting eyewitness accounts of whether what was seen and/or heard near the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001, was an American Airlines Boeing 757, a small 10-seater jet plane – possibly with American Airlines-like coloring, or a missile?


- Did you know that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld referred to the object which hit the Pentagon as a “missile” during an interview with Parade magazine?


- Did you know that according to the 9-11 Commission Report the Pentagon did not know it was under attack until 9: 36 a.m., and, therefore, just a minute or two before impact?


- Did you know that the US military is not dependent on the FAA to know the whereabouts of planes within US air space?


- Did you know that the transponder for Flight 77 was cut off more than 40 minutes prior to the Pentagon event, and that by cutting off the transponder this accomplished two things: (1) it drew attention to Flight 77 as a very likely hijacking that needed to be intercepted by jet fighters; (2) when a flying object is missing a transponder signal, it becomes an automatic object of interest to the military?


- Did you know that no one has been able to explain why the transponder was shut off because this would not have prevented either the military or the Secret Service from being aware of the plane's location via radar systems which are far superior to those of the FAA?


- Did you know that whatever problems the FAA may have been having with their secondary radar systems -- which cannot track planes whose transponders have been turned off -- nevertheless, the FAA also has primary radar systems distributed around the country that are able to track aircraft irrespective of whether their transponders are on or off, and, as well, NORAD and the Secret Service radar systems also can track air traffic quite independently of transponder identification?


- Did you know that Norman Mineta, the Secretary of Transportation, testified that he witnessed reports being given to Vice President Cheney as early as 9: 25 or 9: 26 a.m. in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center beneath the White House in relation to an approaching aircraft headed for Washington, and, that, therefore, rather than a mere moment or two of prior notification, officials in the government had some twelve minutes, or so, of advanced warning concerning the in-coming flight even if one were to accept the rather implausible account that previous to its detection near Washington, D.C., Flight 77 was able to fly across the United States for 35 minutes undetected by the military?


- Did you know that Secretary Mineta's testimony was not included in the final 9-11 Commission Report?


- Did you know that the autopsy reports for the body remains found in the Pentagon show no evidence of there being any individuals who were among the dead and found amidst the ruins of the Pentagon who displayed genetic markers indicating Arab descent?


- Did you know that there are batteries of anti-aircraft missiles deployed around the Pentagon?


- Did you know that these missiles were not triggered by an in-coming aircraft despite the fact that this plane's transponder was supposedly turned off and, therefore, could not be identified as a friendly craft by the electronic identification program of the missile system?


http://anab-whitehouse.blogspot.com/2006/11/pentagon-and-9-11-did-you-know-sufi.html
 

lightninboy

Well-known member
Since the plane did not hit the light poles do you think that they were somehow knocked down in real-time as the plane passed by? Maybe with explosives, or by the vortex of the plane or a missile or something?

No, we have never advocated this notion. We have always maintained that the downed light poles were staged in advance.

The notion that the poles were downed by explosives or the vortex of the plane (or a missile that went unseen by all known eyewitnesses) is simply not possible, primarily due to the physical damage of the poles revealing that they were somehow pinched at the top.

There is also not a single eyewitness who reports seeing a missile, nor is there a single eyewitness who reports witnessing the poles fall down.

The 9/11 base is perfectly symmetrical and sooty as if the damage was prefabricated with a torch while the damage to the wind-blown base is more jagged/random like you would expect if it were broken by a sudden force like wind or a 90 ton jet.

Also, the minimum hypothetical wingspan required for a flying object to strike all of the light poles is roughly 96 feet -- much larger than a missile. As a frame of reference, this is almost 80% of the size of a 757 wingspan, which is 124 ft 10 inches.

http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/faq-were_light_poles_downed_in_real_time.html


911, The Pentagon And The A3 Skywarrior Theory
By Karl W B Schwarz
4-20-2006

Jon Carlson and I have collaborated on two things ­ the fact that no 757 hit the Pentagon and the fact that 737 jets were used to hit the WTC towers, not the much larger 767 jets from Boston Logan. There was in fact a 737 jet engine laying on the street at the intersection of Church and Vessey Streets just northeast of the twin towers complex. That jet engine originated from the plane that hit the South Tower.

Our approach to 9-11 has been like approaching a trial. If one can prove that any part of the Official 9-11 Story is a lie, the entire US Government story can be dismissed and not considered as evidence.

The wing span of most 737 jets fall into the range of between 93.0 ft and 112.6 ft which is still 19 feet to 38 feet of wing that cannot be accounted for in impacting the face of the Pentagon before it mysteriously disappeared. When the absence of surface impacts and the size of a 737 including height of the tail are weighed, it is probable that a smaller plane was used to affect the attack on the Pentagon.

I defy anyone to find an A3 Skywarrior in the hands of any Arab terrorist on 9-11 or any other day. There are only three sources of those jets: 1.) a few (3 to 6) remaining in USAF inventory; or 2.) Davis Monthan AFB where many jets are stored due to lack of humidity; or 3.) the fleet of 12-15 once owned by Hughes and now controlled by Raytheon after that corporation acquired Hughes.

What was seen on CNN that morning and what really hit the South Tower are two different planes.

That clean break on the left hand side occurred along what they call an expansion joint or a construction joint by some. All buildings have them because all buildings expand with heat and contract in cold. How did those wily Arabs know to hit the Pentagon at one of its weakest points? That absolutely clean break is telling and so is the width of the opening.

The wingspan of an A3 is 74 feet and in the Navy version the wings were designed to fold up for storage on an aircraft carrier (visible on the drawing above). At a distance, painted like an American Airlines plane, this plane would easily be mistaken for a 737, 757, 767 type of aircraft because the two engines hang under the wing but are of far smaller dimensions than the 9 foot diameter jets on a 757 that not only hang under the wing but also hang lower than the bottom of the fuselage.

That is an important point because there were no marks on the Pentagon lawn of those two jet engines dragging the ground and they would have based on how low the Pentagon was hit. Said another way, forget about the fuselage dragging on the ground. The engines of a 757 would have been plowing the Pentagon lawn but that did not happen.

The wingspan of a 757 is 124 feet 10 inches. The width of the overall opening, even what is visible as possible wing marks slamming into the face of the building is closer to 74 feet than it is 124 feet 10 inches. In short, there is 50 feet missing to substantiate the Official Lie put out by Washington, DC as to what hit the Pentagon. Said another way, there is 25 feet on each side of the centerline of the strike point (that 14-16 foot hole left in the side of the Pentagon) that left no evidence of a wider wing span 757 hitting the building.

if the fire was hot enough to make steel and cobalt engine parts (very high melting point) vaporize, all of the materials collapsed into that opening would have been reduce to ash.

It is a simple matter that the fire did not burn hot enough for a long enough period of time to vaporize a 757 and leave no evidence. That is especially true of the jet engine components that are made of cobalt to withstand high heat and has a melting point of 1495 °C (2723 °F). Burning jet fuel cannot reach that temperature. However, it is not enough to just melt it. To disappear the large 757 jet engines to fit the Official Lie it would have to get hot enough for a sustained period to reach the boiling point of 2927 °C (5301 °F). Those temperatures are way above, by over 3,000 degrees, what burning jet fuel can generate. Temperature that high would have reduced to ash everything you see in the photo in the collapsed area yet there are steel columns and beams that did not melt or even deflect noticeably from heat.

Other eyewitnesses have stated that they smelled explosives such as cordite, not burning jet fuel. Those were military witnesses that know that exploded ordnance smells like.

What little video evidence there is does show a white trail of smoke before the Pentagon explosion. Jet fuel burns dark at sea level and jets do not leave white contrails at sea level. What does leave a white trail of smoke at all elevations is the solid fuel of a rocket, Thiokol in most rockets being the type of solid fuel.

http://www.rense.com/general70/safe.htm
 

lightninboy

Well-known member
Eastman explains that 2 groups had recently moved into the renovated part of the Pentagon. The first group consisted in a number of army financial auditors that had started to investigate what had happened to the famously missing 2.3 trillion dollar that had vanished from the Pentagon books.

From The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, December 20, 2001:
"One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck."

The Arlington County After-Action Report noted that the
"impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area." And Insight Magazine editorialized that "the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White, had an excuse {for not making a full accounting}. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a "stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the loss of financial-management personnel sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

Well, that's an interesting development. And all over sudden it becomes clear why the 'terrorrists' chose such a relatively uninteresting target like this largely uninhabited part of the Pentagon; in Washington much more interesting targets were available like Capitol Hill and the White House. Moreover these 2 alternative targets were much easier to hit compared to the very difficult trajectory flight77 had to follow in order to hit were it is said it hit.

Bin Laden no longer sought after

FBI homepage. Lower right corner, "most wanted". Top list Most Wanted Terrorists. Top of that list bin Laden. Top Ten Most Wanted list bin Laden and note the little part at the bottom of the page.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

He already was on the most wanted list for the embassy attacks in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. There's no mention of the Cole or 9/11. So does that mean the Cole bombing was a Mossad false flag operation too?

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
 
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Anonymous

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LB,

here we are on a political forum and you can see what kind of cowards we have in this country. faced with the truth they try to load the pages with their wasted lives info about weather and etc.

it is such a shame this country has no future with losers like this that do not care to know the facts surrounding the reason our country has been lost both spiritually, morally, and financially.

Hypo is just a loser and hypocrite...you will see what i mean as after i post this hypo will cover it with his bs.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
As I've said, you two loons can say what you wish about politicians and how evil they are.

But to drag the good name of American servicemen and women through the mud, to imply that they willinginly participated in a conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent American citizens is beyond the pale. And let's face it, to pull this off as you clowns are suggesting, would require hundreds to be involved.

I sincerely hope that in the end your tortured minds find comfort from the devils that so obviously torment you.

I also hope that the two of you get your asses stomped into mud holes by a group of our servicemen you insult to their faces.
 

lightninboy

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
As I've said, you two loons can say what you wish about politicians and how evil they are.

But to drag the good name of American servicemen and women through the mud, to imply that they willinginly participated in a conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent American citizens is beyond the pale. And let's face it, to pull this off as you clowns are suggesting, would require hundreds to be involved.

I sincerely hope that in the end your tortured minds find comfort from the devils that so obviously torment you.

I also hope that the two of you get your asses stomped into mud holes by a group of our servicemen you insult to their faces.
Then how come veterans are considered a terrorist group?
 
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Anonymous

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Whitewing said:
As I've said, you two loons can say what you wish about politicians and how evil they are.

But to drag the good name of American servicemen and women through the mud, to imply that they willinginly participated in a conspiracy to murder thousands of innocent American citizens is beyond the pale. And let's face it, to pull this off as you clowns are suggesting, would require hundreds to be involved.

I sincerely hope that in the end your tortured minds find comfort from the devils that so obviously torment you.

I also hope that the two of you get your asses stomped into mud holes by a group of our servicemen you insult to their faces.

I do not believe that the average American serviceman knows that 9/11 was an inside job. Most were not the smartest in school. Most were from broken families and recruited in malls across the country and are dumb as dirt really. very easy to brainwash. but, we have over 10,000 awal in canada right now too. they woke up. pat tillman woke up and they killed him for it.

Mossad is who I believe was heavily involved with cia, fbi, secret service, and of course the executive branch of our govt.

we send $3 billion to Israel each year. they use this money to buy weapons and our politicians. they had the most to gain from this false flag event and it was a false flag event.

not the first time nor last as it works.
 

lightninboy

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The Infamous MIAC Report

If you haven't heard of the MIAC (Missouri Information Analysis Center) Report, read this:

In March 2009, radio host, Alex Jones, was sent a copy of the MIAC report from an anonymous Missouri State Trooper. In the report, police officers are advised that supporters of Ron Paul (2008 Republican candidate for President) or Chuck Baldwin (2008 Constitution Party candidate for President) are to be considered POTENTIAL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. It gets better. The report goes on to identify anyone with certain bumper stickers, or who mention the Constitution as POTENTIAL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS, as well. And if you are a returning Iraq/Afghanistan war veteran, you are to be considered a POTENTIAL DOMESTIC TERRORIST, too. So, this is the type of training that our police departments are getting from the Federal Government, more correctly referred to as the UNITED STATES CORPORATION.

And for a .pdf copy of the actual MIAC report, here it is:
http://www.constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf
 

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