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This a PDF with a article by Sheri and a rebuttal by Roy Rutledge. I don't know any other way so just open the PDF and read away. Both articles are near the top. This from Saskatchewan BEEF Business .

http://skstockgrowers.com/wp-content/PDFs/March%202010/36-47.pdf
 
"The single case NFU slaughter experiment that Ms Monk describes does not constitute a serious economic analysis."

Who needs an economic analysis to see that there is a serious problem there?
 
Ain't old Roy a Nillsons flunky now ? I thought thats what the Agriville folks had said...
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Ain't old Roy a Nillsons flunky now ? I thought thats what the Agriville folks had said...

Are you diverting? What about the article?


He sounds like- and appears to be following in the footsteps of Dittmer... :roll:
 
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
Ain't old Roy a Nillsons flunky now ? I thought thats what the Agriville folks had said...

Are you diverting? What about the article?


He sounds like- and appears to be following in the footsteps of Dittmer... :roll:

Tell us where he is wrong. :roll:
 
But The FACTS are;

The NFU, with the help of an Albertan
rancher, butchered a cull cow which
would have fetched $340 at auction,
but yielded $1,233 worth of hamburger
and stewing meat at current retail
prices.

Every handler of beef thinks he needs to earn 100%+ of his investment ! This includes Retailers !
 
PORKER said:
But The FACTS are;

The NFU, with the help of an Albertan
rancher, butchered a cull cow which
would have fetched $340 at auction,
but yielded $1,233 worth of hamburger
and stewing meat at current retail
prices.

Every handler of beef thinks he needs to earn 100%+ of his investment ! This includes Retailers ![/quote

So is Mr Gracey wrong with his figures of Producer 43.82% the packer9.81% and the retailer at 46.47%?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
PORKER said:
But The FACTS are;

The NFU, with the help of an Albertan
rancher, butchered a cull cow which
would have fetched $340 at auction,
but yielded $1,233 worth of hamburger
and stewing meat at current retail
prices.

Every handler of beef thinks he needs to earn 100%+ of his investment ! This includes Retailers ![/quote

So is Mr Gracey wrong with his figures of Producer 43.82% the packer9.81% and the retailer at 46.47%?
 
per said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
PORKER said:
But The FACTS are;

The NFU, with the help of an Albertan
rancher, butchered a cull cow which
would have fetched $340 at auction,
but yielded $1,233 worth of hamburger
and stewing meat at current retail
prices.

Every handler of beef thinks he needs to earn 100%+ of his investment ! This includes Retailers ![/quote

So is Mr Gracey wrong with his figures of Producer 43.82% the packer9.81% and the retailer at 46.47%?
The producer in this case is the primary and feedlot. Mr. Gracey spoke at a meeting I was at a month ago and used 18% cow calf, 19% feedlot and north of 50% retailer. But there was no mention of the other side. 1.5 to 2 years of investment getting it to the packer and retailer. That adds up and does require a large percent of the pie. Without both sides and numbers for them the % of each is useless.
 
I don't care about percentages. They are easily manipulated numbers that can be bent either way to suit the purpose.

I do care about the close minded attitude of Mr. Rutledge. He's a pretty smart guy who's been around a long time, and has a lot of common sense. My issue is the close minded attitude about all things NFU. He has fallen hook line and sinker for that stunt RCalf pulled when they happened to be in the same room for a while with members of the NFU, and took that to mean the NFU has taken out a membership. I would have hoped he would have been able to see through that smokescreen, but instead he jumped to the conclusion they wanted him to. That's disappointing. He's smarter than that.

I am not a member of the NFU. But that does not mean I'm not open minded enough to consider what they have to say, the same way I consider what Mr. Rutledge and friends have to say. This whole supply management issue was brought up by the NFU, from what I understand, to spark debate. It has indeed done that, but too many people have missed their point. The thing is that if you get together, and come up with as many different ideas as possible, after a serious discussion and some debate, you just may be able to find something in there that will lead to a solution. You don't just say, "I don't like that one suggestion out of the four you brought up, so I'm not going to talk to you at all."

As long as the mainstream cattle groups are happy to close their minds to new ideas, and refuse to talk to anyone who is not in total agreement with them, then they run the risk of walking right by that small gem of an idea that could lead to a better future for us all.

Every time people who did not like each other's views put their personal biases aside for the common good, good things have happened.

Every time.

Without fail.

If only one lesson comes out of this whole fiasco, this is it.
 
Thanks Kato for a reasoned reply.


I guess old habits die hard but I feel pretty much the same about the NFU as Roy. And I had pretty much forgot about their meeting with R-Calf. The NFU has supported marketing boards for cattle since I was a kid and many of their platforms have included government involvement in our business.
 
Blow hard vs Socialism. The NFU has a socialist side that is untenable for many of us but meeting with R-Calf does not put them in bed with them. If they meet with the CCA or the Stock Growers or the NCBA or the ABP or the PCs or the NDP are they in bed with them as well? When you start your rant with fear mongering as Roy did the rest of what he said kind of looses its credibility no matter how correct it may be. If it is case of you are who you hang out with, have a look at Roy's friends too.
 
per said:
Blow hard vs Socialism. The NFU has a socialist side that is untenable for many of us but meeting with R-Calf does not put them in bed with them. If they meet with the CCA or the Stock Growers or the NCBA or the ABP or the PCs or the NDP are they in bed with them as well? When you start your rant with fear mongering as Roy did the rest of what he said kind of looses its credibility no matter how correct it may be. If it is case of you are who you hang out with, have a look at Roy's friends too.

Well I consider myself a friend of Roy's. When he bought ALA it was pretty run down old yard. He invested a lot of time and money in making it one of the best yards in Saskatchewan. It was his money not "producers" as in the case of all the fancy "Heartland"/ Sask. Wheat Pool yards.
He took on the crew that was working at the yard and learned from them. In fact my Dad was doing the presorts for Bill Fancourt when Roy bought the place and Dad stayed on to help out. He would sort cattle most of the night and buy all day. Roy and Debbie worked hard and ran a good market. Yes he was bought out by Nilsson's,That happened with out the knowledge of their impending purchase of Heartland and some extenuating circumstances that probably made the decision that right on at that time.
 
Never meant to offend you BMR and I suspected you may be a friend of his. I only know of him what he himself has written and that is how he comes across to me. You may have noticed that what I found disagreeable about him was his making assumptions that because someone attended a meeting they are vilified and called down. His past prose tend to leave no wiggle room to discuss. It might be just me but it seems his way or the highway. Maybe we're too much alike. :shock: :? :!:
 
Well I consider myself a friend of Roy's.

Certainly he uses discernment in at least some of his friends. :)
 
per said:
Never meant to offend you BMR and I suspected you may be a friend of his. I only know of him what he himself has written and that is how he comes across to me. You may have noticed that what I found disagreeable about him was his making assumptions that because someone attended a meeting they are vilified and called down. His past prose tend to leave no wiggle room to discuss. It might be just me but it seems his way or the highway. Maybe we're too much alike. :shock: :? :!:

I'm not saying he's not outspoken and has his views but friends can disagree on some points and still be friends. :)
 

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