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Should be charged with MURDER

jingo2

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http://kdka.com/kdkainvestigators/Hazelwood.man.death.2.1496658.html

Ambulance people would not even get out the truck to ck.....30 hrs passed and so did this man.

People like this should be charged with MURDER....

They work on our tax dollars...NO EXCUSE.

Makes you wonder next time if/when you have to call for help....wait for help or strike out on your own for help.
 

hypocritexposer

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Who should be charged with murder?

the snow plow operators? Doesn't sound like she was able to "strike" out herself.

It shouldn't have happened, but I think there are guidelines that ambulance drivers operate under.

If they had driven into the snow and been stuck for 2-3 days, how many people would have been put at risk, without that ambulance on the road for other emergencies?

an investigation is warranted to get to the bottom of it.
 

MsSage

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Kola your showing your southern roots. Last year I would have agreed with you, BUT after this past month I have seen first hand, roads that are impassable. I have seen cars, trucks, and even big rigs stuck. Snow plows are not able to plow side roads untill the storm stops. They have enough work just keeping he major throughways passable and sometimes not even keeping up with the snow.
If they got within 4 blocks, I am sorry with a bad back I KNOW I would have done whatever it took even using garbage can lids to put him on. If she had tried I am sure the EMS would have come help her get him to the ambulance.

Too many people forget they do have a responsiblity to care for themselves. The "government" Is not our parent. They are not responsible for making sure we live. Why are we not asking why she didnt even try to meet the ems? I can say I cant all day and wait till someone does it for me is how too many live thier life.

Ok now we need to investigate why so many school children went without food. I am sure they have suffured without the food packages the school sends home with them.

Hey better yet lets turn this into a race debate and take even more of the blame so the innercity african americans can have more benifits and less responsiblity. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Triangle Bar

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That's a terrible story. There definitely needs to be an investigation of the incident. I've observed in similar cases that the responders are too often worried about their protocols in a book instead of using their God given common sense to solve the problem at hand.

I don't know about their city, but in our rural area the ambulance crew has the authority to request assistance from the fire dept., for example. Which sounds like that's what they did but not for 2 or 3 days after the first call. I'm a volunteer firefighter and the most common call we have is aiding the ambulance crew. I know if this had been our call, the ambulance would requested our assistance. We would have put our victim on a backboard and with 6 or 8 firemen, carried him the 4 blocks to the ambulance.

I know it's easy to sit here typing from the monday morning quarterback position, but it sounds like someone dropped the ball and really lacked the initiative to get the job done.

MsSage's point of personal responsibility is well taken.
 

I Luv Herfrds

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How many snowplows are in that area?
How many miles do they cover?
Were the paramedics wearing snowboots?
How many calls went into 911 that night and following days that werr not emergencies?
How far away are the neighbors?
Did she ask for help from the neighbors?

Hey Jingo I am sick of people wanting to get rich off of the backs of EMS personal. Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes and polyester pants. Try dragging a gurney through several inches of snow or packing out a person. That normally takes around 4-6 people to pack out 1 person.

Since EMS are so much easier to blame rather then try to take responsibility yourself. Nothing was mentioned about her trying to drive him to the ER herself.
 

Steve

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Makes you wonder next time if/when you have to call for help....wait for help or strike out on your own for help.

The Pittsburgh area was buried in 2 feet of snow when Mitchell, 50, began calling emergency dispatchers around 2 a.m. on Feb. 6.

After two hours passed without paramedics showing up, Mitchell placed a second call, learning an ambulance was stuck in the snow near a local bridge.

After another hour and another call from Mitchell, a second ambulance got stuck at the same bridge, its crew unaware that it was the second group to attempt to reach Mitchell,

In one of the calls, Mitchell asks if paramedics are too backed up "can they come back later in the afternoon?" The comment resulted in the call being canceled.

In a late call, Edge said she "could not get him up" after he took sleep and pain medications.

Pittsburgh's public safety director said Tuesday that the city's emergency medical service "failed" a Hazelwood man who died while waiting nearly 30 hours for an ambulance during the 22-inch snowstorm that crippled the city.

over the last "historical" storm I have heard many stories.. some like this tragic... and "protocol" should be investigated...

but maybe we should depend less on the government services, and more on ourselves.. and learn the whole story before we hang a ambulance driver..

by the way.. have you ever driven a rear wheel drive (2wd) ambulance up a steep hill in two foot of snow?
 

hopalong

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Steve said:
Makes you wonder next time if/when you have to call for help....wait for help or strike out on your own for help.

The Pittsburgh area was buried in 2 feet of snow when Mitchell, 50, began calling emergency dispatchers around 2 a.m. on Feb. 6.

After two hours passed without paramedics showing up, Mitchell placed a second call, learning an ambulance was stuck in the snow near a local bridge.

After another hour and another call from Mitchell, a second ambulance got stuck at the same bridge, its crew unaware that it was the second group to attempt to reach Mitchell,

In one of the calls, Mitchell asks if paramedics are too backed up "can they come back later in the afternoon?" The comment resulted in the call being canceled.

In a late call, Edge said she "could not get him up" after he took sleep and pain medications.

Pittsburgh's public safety director said Tuesday that the city's emergency medical service "failed" a Hazelwood man who died while waiting nearly 30 hours for an ambulance during the 22-inch snowstorm that crippled the city.

over the last "historical" storm I have heard many stories.. some like this tragic... and "protocol" should be investigated...

but maybe we should depend less on the government services, and more on ourselves.. and learn the whole story before we hang a ambulance driver..

by the way.. have you ever driven a rear wheel drive (2wd) ambulance up a steep hill in two foot of snow?

With dualies????
 

hypocritexposer

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In a late call, Edge said she "could not get him up" after he took sleep and pain medications.

If he was due to go to the hospital, by ambulance hopefully, what the heck was he doing taking so much medication that she couldn't wake him?

cause of death?
 

Steve

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hopalong said:
Steve said:
Makes you wonder next time if/when you have to call for help....wait for help or strike out on your own for help.

The Pittsburgh area was buried in 2 feet of snow when Mitchell, 50, began calling emergency dispatchers around 2 a.m. on Feb. 6.

After two hours passed without paramedics showing up, Mitchell placed a second call, learning an ambulance was stuck in the snow near a local bridge.

After another hour and another call from Mitchell, a second ambulance got stuck at the same bridge, its crew unaware that it was the second group to attempt to reach Mitchell,

In one of the calls, Mitchell asks if paramedics are too backed up "can they come back later in the afternoon?" The comment resulted in the call being canceled.

In a late call, Edge said she "could not get him up" after he took sleep and pain medications.

Pittsburgh's public safety director said Tuesday that the city's emergency medical service "failed" a Hazelwood man who died while waiting nearly 30 hours for an ambulance during the 22-inch snowstorm that crippled the city.

over the last "historical" storm I have heard many stories.. some like this tragic... and "protocol" should be investigated...

but maybe we should depend less on the government services, and more on ourselves.. and learn the whole story before we hang a ambulance driver..

by the way.. have you ever driven a rear wheel drive (2wd) ambulance up a steep hill in two foot of snow?

With dualies????

most of our ambulances have dualies
 

I Luv Herfrds

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Like driving with an elephant on your back. Try driving them in high winds, not fun.

Hubby about blew the motor in our old feed truck pulling a stuck ambulance out of our yard. they are heavy vehicles and hard to drive.

Like I asked, did she ask the neighbors for help? Get a sled? something?

Let's talk protocol's. Out here each county has a different set of protocols. You can go in 4 different directions and get 4 different set of instructions.
We are taught treat the patient not the machine. Size up the situation. Know your limitations.

You are no good if you are hurt or dead.

Charge them with murder Jingo? HELL NO!
 

Larrry

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I think we can find some parallels in these situations:
The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. D.C. the court stated "courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community."

*Warren v. District of Columbia, D.C. App., 444 A. 2d 1 (1981). See also Richard W. Stevens, Dial 911 and Die (1999) which gives the laws and cases in all 50 states to support the statement that government (police) owes no duty to protect individual citizens from criminal attack.
 
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