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Should Brennan go.

Tam

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Only 1 out of 5?… No big deal.
John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, told an audience yesterday that 20% recidivism rate for Gitmo detainees is not that bad. Heck, most US prisoners have a 50% recidivism rate. Well yeah, but most US prisoners aren’t blowing themselves up in malls and on planes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQHNby-pPKk&feature=player_embedded

On Fox News Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Brennan’s assessment of 20 percent recidivism being not “that bad” was “mindboggling and unnerving.”

“He has lost my confidence,” Graham said of Brennan, “and it’s the best evidence yet how disconnected this administration has come from the fact that we’re at war. … I don’t see how most Americans can feel safe when the head of counterterrorism tries to tell us you can get all the information you need within 50 minutes of an interview of a guy right off the airplane who tried to blow it up, and tries to tell us that the process did finally work, and say that a 20 percent recidivism rate’s OK in the war on terror.”

Graham said, “I think it’d be better to have a new person in that job.”
 

Steve

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every time a "terrorist" is released the world become a more dangerous place.. and innocent lives are put at risk..

the real scary part is that they let go the least likely to re-enter the battle already.. and kept the worst.. so the rate can only get worse..

I don't like the idea of holding a prisoner "forever" either.. but at a certain point a decision must be made and actions taken to limit their ability to kill innocent people..

maybe we should learn from history first...


Israel’s deadly mistakes
Few Israeli policies have been as counterproductive or morally questionable as the lopsided prisoner exchanges it has entered into with terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.

by releasing hundreds of violent detainees, many of them complicit in the deaths of civilians. And time and again, the newly freed terrorists have picked up where they left off.

Yassin is only the most notorious example. According to Israeli journalist Nadav Shragai, “about 50 percent of the terrorists freed for any reason returned to the path of terror, either as a perpetrator, planner, or accomplice.’’ An analysis by the Almagor Terror Victims Association in 2007 found that at least 30 attacks in the preceding five years had been committed by prisoners freed in deals with terrorist groups. More than 175 men, women, and children died in those attacks.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/12/20/israels_deadly_mistakes/
 

Tam

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I'm so tired of people claiming Gitmo has to be closed as it is a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. :x If that is true what recruited the people that planned and carried out 9/11? It's time to face the fact closing Gitmo is not going to magically stop the terrotists as it never magically caused the attacks that lead to its opening.

I say keep Gitmo open and keep the detainees in Gitmo until Al Qaeda has surrenders all their bombs, guns and have given up Bin Ladin to answer to his crimes against humanity.
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
I'm so tired of people claiming Gitmo has to be closed as it is a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. :x If that is true what recruited the people that planned and carried out 9/11? It's time to face the fact closing Gitmo is not going to magically stop the terrotists as it never magically caused the attacks that lead to its opening.

I say keep Gitmo open and keep the detainees in Gitmo until Al Qaeda has surrenders all their bombs, guns and have given up Bin Ladin to answer to his crimes against humanity.

Liberalism is all about appeasing the "victims"
 

Tam

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What I would like the resident Dems to explain is why everyone was told by Obama's Adm. including Brennan that after only 50 minutes the FBI got everything they needed and therefore mirandized the Undie Bomber. But 5 weeks later the Obama Adm. including again Brennan say the Undie Bomber is talking and giving them very useful information?

Would it not have been smarter to get the information he is now giving up, 5 weeks ago before those in Yeman, who found out he was still alive and talking, could pack up and move everything out?

I also heard something interesting about the drone attacks. The Dems brags about the up swing in drone attacks under Obama to prove how tough he is on terrorists, but ask yourself what is the intelligence agencies loosing because of Obama's actions? I agree with using the drones in areas where going in is impossible. BUT to use them where the Special Forces on the ground figure they can take the person alive, which is what is reportedly happening now, is just plain stupid :roll: The reason Bush limited the Drone attacks was he and his Administration were smart enough to know you can't get all important life saving information from a dead man. :roll: How many attacks have been planned that the US will never know about until it is possably to late because Obama's drones killed the guy that could have been taken alive and questioned?
 

Faster horses

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Obama doesn't care...he doesn't think about anyone
or anything but fooling the American people. Any time, any place;
all the time and every where.

What he has forgotten, (if, in fact, he ever knew):

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the
people all the time, but never all the people all the time.


With is super-ego, I doubt if he ever figures it out. :mad:
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
What I would like the resident Dems to explain is why everyone was told by Obama's Adm. including Brennan that after only 50 minutes the FBI got everything they needed and therefore mirandized the Undie Bomber. But 5 weeks later the Obama Adm. including again Brennan say the Undie Bomber is talking and giving them very useful information?

If they had everything they needed after 50 minutes, how did they get useful information 5 weeks later?

:roll:

These idiots can't even string together a sensible story/lie.
 

Tam

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
Obama doesn't care...he doesn't think about anyone
or anything but fooling the American people. Any time, any place;
all the time and every where.

What he has forgotten, (if, in fact, he ever knew):

You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the
people all the time, but never all the people all the time.


With is super-ego, I doubt if he ever figures it out. :mad:

Last week the heads of US intel organizations were asked if they thought there would be another attack on US soil in the near future as in 3 to 6 months. They all said yes. If it does happen like they think it will, one would have to wonder if Obama had not signed for so many drone attacks to make himself look tougher than Bush, what information the US could have gathered about said attacks?

The thing the Dems don't seem to understand is any information you get out of a high valued terrorist could possably save hundreds if not thousands of innocent Americans. Every drone attack risks killing somebody that could provide information to save innocent American lives therefore they should only be used when no other option is available.
 

Tam

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hypocritexposer said:
Tam said:
What I would like the resident Dems to explain is why everyone was told by Obama's Adm. including Brennan that after only 50 minutes the FBI got everything they needed and therefore mirandized the Undie Bomber. But 5 weeks later the Obama Adm. including again Brennan say the Undie Bomber is talking and giving them very useful information?

If they had everything they needed after 50 minutes, how did they get useful information 5 weeks later?

:roll:

These idiots can't even string together a sensible story/lie.



Oh it makes perfect sense. :wink: They claim one thing and when the facts come out, as they usually do and they don't match their story, they do a 180. Then when somebody, say a Republican as goodness knows a Dem would never point it out, comments on the 180 they can blame them for using the issue for political purposes and they are only trying to make the first Black President of the US look incompetent because they are racist and want Obama to fail. :x

If they were worried about the American citizen's safety they would admit they messed up and take some bipartisan advise on how to correct the problems so it never happens again. But NO Brennan Obama's White House Advisor goes on TV and takes cheap shots at anyone (ie Republicans) that dares question their actions. These people are going to get somebody killed with they blind support of a President that is in so far over his head that, like Oliver North said, they couldn't find him with Navy Sonar. :roll:
 

jigs

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load them all up on a ship. head for Iraq. dropping chum all the way....half way there, release 150 pigs on the ship....

punch a hole in the bottom of the ship. fly in a chopper to save the captain.

let the sharks finish off the problem. I have no desire to treat these bastards with any respect or justice. it is a kill or be killed mentality that they have. we better get our ducks in a row, or they will win this thing!
 
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