• If you are having problems logging in please use the Contact Us in the lower right hand corner of the forum page for assistance.

Should Romney give THE speech?

A

Anonymous

Guest
HOLDERNESS, N.H. - Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney said Saturday his political advisers have warned him against giving a speech explaining his Mormon faith.

During a house party overlooking Squam Lake, Romney was asked by voters if he would give a speech outling his religious beliefs and how those beliefs might impact his administration, much like then-Sen. John F. Kennedy did as he sought to explain his Catholic faith during the 1960 election.

"I'm happy to answer any questions people have about my faith and do so pretty regularly," the former Massachusetts governor said. "Is there going to be a special speech? Perhaps, at some point. I sort of like the idea myself. The political advisers tell me no, no, no -- it's not a good idea. It draws too much attention to that issue alone."
 

Texan

Well-known member
I'm not that familiar with the Mormon religion, but I don't really understand what the big deal is. The First Amendment states rather clearly...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

As citizens, we don't want Congress meddling in someone's religion. Why should we make a big issue of it as voters? His religion shouldn't matter.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Texan said:
I'm not that familiar with the Mormon religion, but I don't really understand what the big deal is. The First Amendment states rather clearly...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

As citizens, we don't want Congress meddling in someone's religion. Why should we make a big issue of it as voters? His religion shouldn't matter.

You're right. It shouldn't. John Kennedy's speech about being Catholic affirmed his belief in the separation of church and state. Romney's problem is that he can't make that speech because he's courting the right wing religious groups who want NO separation of church and state. But they're not sure that they want Romney's church to be influencial in the country. That puts him in a bit of a bind. :D
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
Thing is, he is trying to appeal to conservatives. It takes a liberal to be religiously tolerant. According to mainstream fundamentalists as well as conservative independents, Mormonism is satanic. More so than the Catholic church was thought to be in JFK's era. To win he will have to position himself in the middle, but he is trying to appeal to the Christian right..........which, for the most part, indicates he is not up to being President.
 

Steve

Well-known member
GoodPasture
It takes a liberal to be religiously tolerant.

Then maybe you could explain all your Baptist bashing posts???

not one of you posts about religion appear to show the least bit of tolerance towards others beliefs and practices...
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Why in the world do people think that people who believe in the Mormon religion/ or LDS church are ' evil'???


That just shows how stupid most of American has become.

Really, a person's religion should NOT be our main interest in this election...the person judgement and decision making ability for our country is the most important...not where he attends service.
 

Steve

Well-known member
KolanuRaven
Why in the world do people think that people who believe in the Mormon religion/ or LDS church are ' evil'???


That just shows how stupid most of American has become.

Why not ask GoodPasture?,.. he is the "only" person on here to say it...
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
Why in the world do people think that people who believe in the Mormon religion/ or LDS church are ' evil'???


That just shows how stupid most of American has become.

Why not ask GoodPasture?,.. he is the "only" person on here to say it...


I'm not talking about here.

It's not just here...it's everywhere and it's STUPID!.

Just plain STUPID!

If Mitt Romney says what I like to hear...does what I like as far as his decisions...then his religion would be MY last consideration!

But, that's just me!
 

Goodpasture

Well-known member
Steve said:
Then maybe you could explain all your Baptist bashing posts???
I'm sorry, I don't recall bashing baptists. I have outlined several areas where I disagree with them and I have outlined a few areas where we are in agreement. But simply because someone points out a position of a group and explains why they don't agree with it is not bashing.

Steve said:
not one of you posts about religion appear to show the least bit of tolerance towards others beliefs and practices...
but I don't believe they show intolerance either
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven
Why in the world do people think that people who believe in the Mormon religion/ or LDS church are ' evil'???


That just shows how stupid most of American has become.

Why not ask GoodPasture?,.. he is the "only" person on here to say it...


I'm not talking about here.

It's not just here...it's everywhere and it's STUPID!.

Just plain STUPID!

If Mitt Romney says what I like to hear...does what I like as far as his decisions...then his religion would be MY last consideration!

But, that's just me!
You can say it's stupid if you like but I disagree. Your religion (or lack of ) obviously affects your world view. A president will make decisions drawing from his experience and based on his world view. Your hillary will do the same thing. What you're really saying is that religion isn't true and that it's stupid to let it affect your decisions. I think anyone that is religious would disagree.
 
A

Anonymous

Guest
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
Steve said:
KolanuRaven

Why not ask GoodPasture?,.. he is the "only" person on here to say it...


I'm not talking about here.

It's not just here...it's everywhere and it's STUPID!.

Just plain STUPID!

If Mitt Romney says what I like to hear...does what I like as far as his decisions...then his religion would be MY last consideration!

But, that's just me!
You can say it's stupid if you like but I disagree. Your religion (or lack of ) obviously affects your world view. A president will make decisions drawing from his experience and based on his world view. Your hillary will do the same thing. What you're really saying is that religion isn't true and that it's stupid to let it affect your decisions. I think anyone that is religious would disagree.

And I think you're so small minded it's amazing. Religious people can and do make decisions that aren't based on their religion. In fact, George W. Bush is a premier example. He's made his religious beliefs a center of his Administration and look at what we've got: inflation, war, lowered world standing, debt, ineffective government, damaged military, etc, etc.
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
ff said:
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
I'm not talking about here.

It's not just here...it's everywhere and it's STUPID!.

Just plain STUPID!

If Mitt Romney says what I like to hear...does what I like as far as his decisions...then his religion would be MY last consideration!

But, that's just me!
You can say it's stupid if you like but I disagree. Your religion (or lack of ) obviously affects your world view. A president will make decisions drawing from his experience and based on his world view. Your hillary will do the same thing. What you're really saying is that religion isn't true and that it's stupid to let it affect your decisions. I think anyone that is religious would disagree.

And I think you're so small minded it's amazing. Religious people can and do make decisions that aren't based on their religion. In fact, George W. Bush is a premier example. He's made his religious beliefs a center of his Administration and look at what we've got: inflation, war, lowered world standing, debt, ineffective government, damaged military, etc, etc.
I'm so small minded that your paragraph is senseless. Edit to clarify please.
 

mrj

Well-known member
I've never heard Mormonism referred to as "satanic", but do know that some Christian churches regard it as a cult, or cult-like, in that people are intensely 'trained' in the rules from an early age, not allowed much freedom and carefully watched by their peers and others to assure adherence and staying in the fold, and proselytize to draw others into their faith.

People, as Christians, need to worry more about electing a president who will even admit Christianity is being attacked by leftist non-Christians, worry less about Romney being a Mormon, and focus on a candidate who will properly promote the fact that separation of church and state means no establishment of a state ordered religion to be practiced by all, rather than banishment of Christianity and/or Christian symbols from any display, IMO.

I doubt we need worry much about Mitt Romney doing anything counter to laws of the nation as president, or to lead our country into Mormonism. A good conservative, willing to stand up to tax and spend liberals of any party in Congress will get my vote, whether it be Romney or another, tho I believe there are more conservative Republican candidates than Romney in the race.

mrj
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
The funny thing here is the hypocrisy of the whole deal, I can vote for Romney but ff wouldn't vote for him if he was running against Osama bin laden. Typical liberal. It's everyone else but them that's narrow minded. They are open minded ,so open minded that she wouldn't vote for anyone other than a flaming communist.
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
ff said:
Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
I'm not talking about here.

It's not just here...it's everywhere and it's STUPID!.

Just plain STUPID!

If Mitt Romney says what I like to hear...does what I like as far as his decisions...then his religion would be MY last consideration!

But, that's just me!
You can say it's stupid if you like but I disagree. Your religion (or lack of ) obviously affects your world view. A president will make decisions drawing from his experience and based on his world view. Your hillary will do the same thing. What you're really saying is that religion isn't true and that it's stupid to let it affect your decisions. I think anyone that is religious would disagree.

And I think you're so small minded it's amazing. Religious people can and do make decisions that aren't based on their religion. In fact, George W. Bush is a premier example. He's made his religious beliefs a center of his Administration and look at what we've got: inflation, war, lowered world standing, debt, ineffective government, damaged military, etc, etc.
ff why do you say President Bush is a good premier ecample fo religious people making decisions that aren't based on religion then you go on to show how bad of a president he was. Secondly how are his religious beliefs and his failure connected?
 

katrina

Well-known member
mrj said:
I've never heard Mormonism referred to as "satanic", but do know that some Christian churches regard it as a cult, or cult-like, in that people are intensely 'trained' in the rules from an early age, not allowed much freedom and carefully watched by their peers and others to assure adherence and staying in the fold, and proselytize to draw others into their faith.

People, as Christians, need to worry more about electing a president who will even admit Christianity is being attacked by leftist non-Christians, worry less about Romney being a Mormon, and focus on a candidate who will properly promote the fact that separation of church and state means no establishment of a state ordered religion to be practiced by all, rather than banishment of Christianity and/or Christian symbols from any display, IMO.

I doubt we need worry much about Mitt Romney doing anything counter to laws of the nation as president, or to lead our country into Mormonism. A good conservative, willing to stand up to tax and spend liberals of any party in Congress will get my vote, whether it be Romney or another, tho I believe there are more conservative Republican candidates than Romney in the race.

mrj
:agree:
 

Steve

Well-known member
Steve wrote:
Then maybe you could explain all your Baptist bashing posts???

Goodpasture
I'm sorry, I don't recall bashing baptists. I have outlined several areas where I disagree with them and I have outlined a few areas where we are in agreement. But simply because someone points out a position of a group and explains why they don't agree with it is not bashing.

Steve wrote:
not one of you posts about religion appear to show the least bit of tolerance towards others beliefs and practices...

Goodpasture
but I don't believe they show intolerance either

Do you have Alzheimer?
 

Red Robin

Well-known member
Red Robin said:
ff said:
Red Robin said:
You can say it's stupid if you like but I disagree. Your religion (or lack of ) obviously affects your world view. A president will make decisions drawing from his experience and based on his world view. Your hillary will do the same thing. What you're really saying is that religion isn't true and that it's stupid to let it affect your decisions. I think anyone that is religious would disagree.

And I think you're so small minded it's amazing. Religious people can and do make decisions that aren't based on their religion. In fact, George W. Bush is a premier example. He's made his religious beliefs a center of his Administration and look at what we've got: inflation, war, lowered world standing, debt, ineffective government, damaged military, etc, etc.
ff why do you say President Bush is a good premier ecample fo religious people making decisions that aren't based on religion then you go on to show how bad of a president he was. Secondly how are his religious beliefs and his failure connected?
ff did you miss responding to this?
 
Top