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Since Obama brought up surrogate Fathers

hypocritexposer

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Surrogate fathers can have a deep emotional impact on who children become as adults. When someone like Obama is on the political stage, looking at these influences, gives us some incite into who they are as people.

Much the same as Palin being judged by the family relationships she chose to expose in public. IMO

While not mentioned in this article, the Unitarian Church that Obama attended as a child also had an impact on who he became, I'm sure.

In the 70's the Unitarian Church in Hawaii, worked with the SDS, which Bill Ayers was a member, to offer refuge to US servicemen who were protesting the war.

Father's Day, Influence on Obama is hard to overlook
Obama’s Father Figure: Frank Marshall Davis

By Joy Tiz Sunday, June 21, 2009

On his first Father’s Day in the White House, Barack Obama exalted the role of surrogate dads:

“We also honor those surrogate fathers who raise, mentor, or care for someone else’s child. Thousands of young children benefit from the influence of great men, and we salute their willingness to give and continue giving.”

Ann Dunham married Barack Obama’s father, the focus of his “autobiography.” Barack Senior abandoned the family before the child was two years old. Dad was not exactly father of the year. He is described as a “drunk and a bigot,” who was a cruel man, prone to drunken rages. (dailymail.co.uk).

Time reporter Amanda Ripley says Ann filed for divorce from Barack Senior in 1964, citing “grievous mental suffering” as the grounds. That may have been the standard grounds for divorce in those days.

But Barack Senior’s third wife, Ruth, claimed he beat her brutally in drunken rages. Sharon Churcher describes Barack Senior as an abusive bigamist and womanizer. Obama blames “racism” on both sides for the demise of his parents’ marriage.

Ann met Indonesian Lolo Soetoro and married him when Barry was about six years old. Starting a new life with a new husband is one thing but dragging a young child to a Third World country is quite another.

Jakarta, Indonesia in the 1960’s was a harsh place for a child. Not much of an infrastructure and staggering inflation which was creating shortages. Indonesia was a violent place in the era following hostilities with the Dutch. Not exactly the white picket fence kind of place.

Or perhaps he was lionizing his late maternal grandfather, a man he has described as having a “complete inability to discipline his appetites.” (The Audacity of Hope, Page 203). Young Barry had the benefit of several surrogate dads, none as markedly debauched as “Frank”.

Another one of Barry’s splendid adult role models was communist, poet, alcoholic, sexual deviant and fomenter of racial hatred, Frank Marshall Davis. Cleverly disguised as “Frank” in Dreams, we learn that young Barry was treated to Davis’ counsel on numerous occasions. Dear Grandpa Stanley, blessed with an inordinate amount of free time thanks to his wife’s hard work, enjoyed whiling away the hours with Davis, drinking and smoking pot.

Davis was an open supporter of the Soviet Union and his influence on Obama is hard to overlook. The poet also admitted to writing a pornographic novel under the pseudonym of Bob Greene in which the protagonist seduces a 13 year old girl. Davis claimed he had changed names and identities but the novel was based on actual experiences. To clarify the depth of Marshall’s perversion: he actually believed sex with a 13 year old child would be in the child’s best interests. He graciously spared her the sting of rejection and made certain her earliest sexual experiences would be with the maestro himself, according to Toby Harnden in the Telegraph. Davis also proudly proclaimed himself bisexual, a voyeur and exhibitionist who wished he’d had two penises.

In a lifetime of associations with plainly unsavory characters, poet and pornographer, Frank Marshall Davis ranks among the least savory of the lot.

In yet another series of twists and loops, Frank Marshall, who claimed to be the victim of a lynching at age five, was born in Kansas, as were the Dunham’s. It is not entirely clear whether Davis and Dunham knew each other in Kansas. They all ended up in Hawaii. Davis, an unabashed admirer of the Soviet Union, member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and fomenter of racial hatred, had worked as a columnist in Chicago, where he fancied himself someone of Great Importance.

Davis’s support of the Soviet Union and the Communist Party was so extreme that he was rejected by the NAACP in Chicago, not exactly a conservative organization, out of fears that his extremism would drive new members away. In 1956, Davis had exercised his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination while being investigated by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). He chose to remain silent rather than acknowledge the excruciatingly obvious--that he was a communist. telegraph.co.uk

Davis was an important mentor to Obama and they consorted until Barry left for college. Davis shared his special version of how to improve race relations: never trust white people. Davis died in 1987 but was eventually replaced by Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Obama’s earliest visits to dear Uncle Frank began when Barry was just a vulnerable young boy of ten. Already confused and traumatized by his chaotic childhood, who better to step up to the role of Big Brother than a race baiting, America hating, rabid sexual deviant and pornographer?
 

Sandhusker

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No matter who you are, you're influenced by the adults in your life when you are young. Seeds are planted and those seeds sprout when you reach adulthood yourself. Here you see a young impressionable Obama hanging out with a racist socialist. You look at an adult Obama and you see the New Party membership, his "gravitating towards Marxist professors in college", his "typical white people" comments and his marrage to a white hater with a chip the size of Kansas on her shoulder.

If I may steal some of Mike's thunder; WE TOLD YOU SO
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker take a look at reality and lose some of your disgust for Obama. As young children the adults we are exposed to sometimes makes us much stronger individuals and gives us also examples of what we under no circumstances want to be.

Ann Dunham married Barack Obama’s father, the focus of his “autobiography.” Barack Senior abandoned the family before the child was two years old. Dad was not exactly father of the year. He is described as a “drunk and a bigot,” who was a cruel man, prone to drunken rages. (dailymail.co.uk).

Live this and it will instill in you how diversly beer/whisky can effect a person. How it can turn a person from a descent human being into one of terror. Live this and this influence gives you a no nonscence attitude when it comes to alcoholic beverages.


“We also honor those surrogate fathers who raise, mentor, or care for someone else’s child. Thousands of young children benefit from the influence of great men, and we salute their willingness to give and continue giving.”

This is a great statement. Men that step up to the plate to father children that don't have fathers do an amazing thing. They can also effect the next generation as grandfathers.

Isn't it Brad Paisley that had the hit "The Dad he didn't have to be"? What a song and video. Anyone who isn't fortunate enough to have the biological father of the year and is loved, cherished, and guided by the Dad that doesn't have to be understands the value of that man that steps up to care and mentor.

Ok I'll get off my soapbox now.
 

Sandhusker

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Hey, I applaud surrogate father's too, and I didn't know that Obama was taking a big stand against alcohol.

What I was trying to do was show how the dots connect and why Obama turned into the racist socialist that he did. We are all products of our environment, and he is no exception.
 

CattleArmy

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Sandhusker said:
Hey, I applaud surrogate father's too, and I didn't know that Obama was taking a big stand against alcohol.

What I was trying to do was show how the dots connect and why Obama turned into the racist socialist that he did. We are all products of our environment, and he is no exception.

There are too. On this you are just wrong. You cannot count what happens to a child as a child against them as an adult. Goodness sakes.
If we go with this theory then who do we hold accountable for when children raised in "good Christian homes" stray? What about the child raised in a loving home of two parents that goes on to divorce? What adult influence effected that? What about the child raised in a home full of terror that has a loving home for their children? Who's influence was that.

Children can be exposed to a multitude of things and still go on to be happy productive adults. It's about making choices as an adult. Sometime those bad influences help make stronger more oppinonated adults that refuse to follow in that path.
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
Sandhusker said:
Hey, I applaud surrogate father's too, and I didn't know that Obama was taking a big stand against alcohol.

What I was trying to do was show how the dots connect and why Obama turned into the racist socialist that he did. We are all products of our environment, and he is no exception.

There are too. On this you are just wrong. You cannot count what happens to a child as a child against them as an adult. Goodness sakes.
If we go with this theory then who do we hold accountable for when children raised in "good Christian homes" stray? What about the child raised in a loving home of two parents that goes on to divorce? What adult influence effected that? What about the child raised in a home full of terror that has a loving home for their children? Who's influence was that.

Children can be exposed to a multitude of things and still go on to be happy productive adults. It's about making choices as an adult. Sometime those bad influences help make stronger more oppinonated adults that refuse to follow in that path.

I said that we are all products of our environment. That doesn't mean that we are clones. You can't tell me that the environment that you were raised in, what you were taught, etc... has had no effect on your adult life.
 

CattleArmy

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Yes my childhood environment has had effects on my adult life. However, you seem to want to agree that all the bad in Obama's life has just made him bad. That's wrong I can speak from experience and tell you that sometimes the bad things are the things you steer clear away from as adults because you've seen the effects as a child.

So about those perfect households that have children divorcing? What effect did that? Those households overflowing in religion that have children not step into a house of God. What about those?

As adults we make choices. Some based on our childhood and some in a pursuit to live a different life.
 

Sandhusker

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CattleArmy said:
Yes my childhood environment has had effects on my adult life. However, you seem to want to agree that all the bad in Obama's life has just made him bad. That's wrong I can speak from experience and tell you that sometimes the bad things are the things you steer clear away from as adults because you've seen the effects as a child.

So about those perfect households that have children divorcing? What effect did that? Those households overflowing in religion that have children not step into a house of God. What about those?

As adults we make choices. Some based on our childhood and some in a pursuit to live a different life.

I'm saying that the got it from someplace, and his "teachers" are the first place to look.

The saying "The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree" came about for a reason.
 

Steve

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Each person has an influence.. some people have great influence on a child while others are,.. well unimpressive.. and have little influence.

when a child is vulnerable, and impressionable almost any stable person can influence the child, and sometimes that influence is obvious later in the persons' life and the direction he takes in life.. as appears to be the case with Obama,

kids from good homes can be influenced by other bad kids, or the guy at the bar..

Just as a kid from a bad family might find a coach, teacher or even a drill sergeant to straighten him out.. or influence him in the right direction..

so yes in some ways we are a product of our environment. but in more ways we are who we choose to be..
 
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