hillsdown said:Since when have Gelbvieh's been considered exotics ???????? :???:
I am thinking some of you other generic breeders need to stop riding the coattails and create a mark of your own..... :roll:
hillsdown said:Since when have Gelbvieh's been considered exotics ???????? :???:
I am thinking some of you other generic breeders need to stop riding the coattails and create a mark of your own..... :roll:
Mr. Weed, your cattle have obviously spoiled you! :wink: :lol:Soapweed said:hillsdown said:Since when have Gelbvieh's been considered exotics ???????? :???:
I am thinking some of you other generic breeders need to stop riding the coattails and create a mark of your own..... :roll:
It is probably me to whom you are talking, since I have somewhat of a knack for saying the wrong things. :wink:
Back to the issue at hand, Gelbvieh are a good breed of cattle with much to offer the cattle industry. Are they exotic? That is probably a matter of personal interpretation, but I would consider them exotic. They are not a British breed, like Herefords, Angus, and Shorthorn, all of which I would consider "non-exotic." Instead, they originated in Germany as a combination meat, milk, and draft breed, much like many other cattle that are definitely considered "exotic."
In my experience using Gelbvieh, they worked very well in producing extra pounds of calf to sell. My thoughts on Gelbvieh blood in the cow herd are that a cow that is one fourth Gelbvieh is great; a cow that is 3/8 Gelbvieh is alright; but a cow that is half Gelbvieh or more is "too much." A cow that is half Gelbvieh or more just gets too big to be efficient. As in any other breed, there are just naturally some with bad dispositions, bad bags from giving too much milk, and there can be birthweight problems. (The biggest calf ever born on this ranch was the Gelbvieh cross calf that weighed 135 pounds that I pulled with a 1980 Subaru station wagon.) Horns are a factor that is an inconvenience. There can even be a little "buyer resistance" as feeders if there is too much in the mix.
No breed is perfect, but from quite a bit of experience through the years dabbling with many combinations, Angus is about as trouble-free as a person will find. Angus can also have all of the above mentioned problems, but in not as much abundance. They can be pencil-butted, ugly, mean and obnoxious just like any other breed, but from trial and error, I have found them to be the most trouble-free on this particular ranch. My goals as a rancher in the autumn of my life is to raise the most amount of cattle on the least amount of personal attention per critter. Angus seems to fit the bill.
Down here, if they don't have some ear and dewlap, they're exotic because they live in ponds!
That's cheating...real cattle have color! :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:Mike said:Down here, if they don't have some ear and dewlap, they're exotic because they live in ponds!
The white ones take the heat pretty well......and they're not "Exotic". :wink:
I guess that blows one of the black angus advantages out of the water then hey?:wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:Horseless said:I agree with Soapweed. I had some darn good Gelbvieh that were 1/4 blood reds and disposition was not a problem for me until I tried the black Gelbvieh. Anymore than 1/4, they got big and milked way to heavy for my country.
Northern Rancher said:Every breed from Europe is called exotic it's a generic term that was coined with the first importation just as Shorthorns, angus and Hereford are labelled as British breeds. I don't think it has really anything to do with the depth of their character or the flavour of their rib eye. From what I've seen up here when any of the exotics (chars, Simms, Guppies etc.) are crossed on British cows the first cross usually works very well. The rancher immediately becomes enraptured with his new savior breed and throws all the tenets of crossbreeding out the window. I mean if some is good more has got to be better. After a few generations of this he sneaks into a bull sale or phones in a bid on a lowly British breed bull to backcross to.
Hey NR you get an F for geography :wink: :lol: :lol: - Britain is also a part of Europe, hence my explanation "they are considered "exotic" because they are "continental" ie they come from continental Europe viewed from a British perspective."Northern Rancher said:Every breed from Europe is called exotic it's a generic term that was coined with the first importation just as Shorthorns, angus and Hereford are labelled as British breeds.
Grassfarmer said:Hey NR you get an F for geography :wink: :lol: :lol: - Britain is also a part of Europe, hence my explanation "they are considered "exotic" because they are "continental" ie they come from continental Europe viewed from a British perspective."Northern Rancher said:Every breed from Europe is called exotic it's a generic term that was coined with the first importation just as Shorthorns, angus and Hereford are labelled as British breeds.
I agree with the rest of your post though![]()
Northern Rancher said:My bad just explaining the difference between idiotics and british cattle lol. There are some good nicknames for the exotics up here in the land of ice and snow.
brushpopper said:Well let's hear them then!!!!!