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aplusmnt

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TexasBred said:
True there are gay priests as well as gay non religious. They are accepted in full fellowship in the Church but are to abstain from homosexual activities.

I think I am an Adulterer I just refrain from committing Adultery. :wink: :lol:
 

TexasBred

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aplusmnt said:
TexasBred said:
True there are gay priests as well as gay non religious. They are accepted in full fellowship in the Church but are to abstain from homosexual activities.

I think I am an Adulterer I just refrain from committing Adultery. :wink: :lol:

At least you'll admit it. :wink: :lol:
 

CattleArmy

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aplusmnt said:
TexasBred said:
True there are gay priests as well as gay non religious. They are accepted in full fellowship in the Church but are to abstain from homosexual activities.

I think I am an Adulterer I just refrain from committing Adultery. :wink: :lol:


Refraining or can't find anyone willing? :???: :roll: :wink:
 

CattleArmy

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aplusmnt said:
CattleArmy said:
aplusmnt said:
Not my choice rather Gays are Christains or not, I do not have a say in it. But Gods say has already been written. You can not willfully and continually practice a sign with no remorse or with out repenting for that sign and be a Christian. Christianity is about seeking forgiveness for sins and trying to lead a Christ like lifestyle. Practicing of homosexuality goes against that effort. I did not write the Bible, if you have a complaint take it up with God!

As for Homosexuals walking through life with someone to love, millions of people live together and love each other with out marriage! Why should gays be able to do something held out for Heterosexuals just because they want to? What you going to tell me they need it so they will not live in sin? Well see the paragraph above for that answer.

I don't care if it's called marriage or what but I do think homosexuals are entitled to the same benefits of marriage that any heterosexual gets. Rights of benefits, survivorship, and able to make decisions for their "partner" when ill or on death beds.

Who lives without sin? Who's lived the perfect life?

About your repenting statement. Can't a homosexual be saved laying on their death bed, aknowledging the sin, asking for forgiveness and be saved? I just wonder who God forgives and who he doesn't according to you?

Yes it would be possible for a death bed forgiveness. If it was me I do not think I would feel very comftorable being in that situation, but that would be between God and the person on the Death bed, only God would know if the person was truly repentant.

But them kind of issues are not of concern to me or you, if we believe in God and we believe that Bible is his inspired word then we have only two concerns, 1. We do our best to follow his laws as much as possible as an imperfect person can. 2. And two that we share his message with others and make sure we base it on accurate knowledge and not our personal opinions on the matter.

You really seem to be holding on to the fact that everyone sins then it is ok to do and condone something that is wrong in the Bible. You see we all sin, I committed a few sins today but here is the key, I do not believe it was OK for me to do them sins and I do not intend on doing them again tomorrow if I can at all possibly help it.

Our motivation should be to not sin if at all possible, most likely if you engage in Homosexual activity then you probably have no intention on trying to not commit that sin, and if you are an activist trying to legalize marriage and many other things, I would say it is pretty obvious you are not trying to shake the monkey off your back!

Like I have said before, be gay, have gay friends it is no skin of my back. Just be honest in realizing that you can not be a Christian and condone or practice it. But find comfort in knowing there are millions of people that have no interest in being Christians, embrace them and quit trying to change the rules written in the Bible to fit your beliefs!


Wondering where the collection plate is. After a sermon don't they pass the collection plate?

I am not Christian because I condone it? Amazing what I don't learn here about myself. :roll:
 

CattleArmy

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RobertMac said:
aplusmnt said:
...quit trying to change the rules written in the Bible to fit your beliefs!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


I have yet to try and change the Bible to fit my beliefs. If I was that serious about it I'd get a black sharpie and it would say what I think it should. I'd cross out the who's going to hell and who gets to go to heaven and highlight the areas about kindness, compassion, and belief in goodness.

I haven't tried to say it's a angel kisses kinda thing, I have tried to get some of you to not be so judgemental and not so going to hell in a handbasket and more compassionate and caring. More about putting yourself in someone else's shoes before you condem them. I do believe in a more loving and forgiving God then it appears some here do.
 

aplusmnt

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CattleArmy said:
I do believe in a more loving and forgiving God then it appears some here do.

You are trying to make God into who you want him to be, God is who he is and his laws are what they are. If he will strike down a man dead who only had reflexes to help save the Ark from hitting the ground because his law said no one was to touch the Ark then I believe he may strike down a Homosexual who is non repentant since he said that being a Homosexual is wrong. Heck I think he already did it once in Sodom and Gomorrah, where you think Sodomize came from?

I do also believe in a loving and forgiving god, but we are talking about people here who are not asking for forgiveness for their sin, so how is it that he can forgive them? :?
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
aplusmnt said:
CattleArmy said:
I do believe in a more loving and forgiving God then it appears some here do.

You are trying to make God into who you want him to be, God is who he is and his laws are what they are. If he will strike down a man dead who only had reflexes to help save the Ark from hitting the ground because his law said no one was to touch the Ark then I believe he may strike down a Homosexual who is non repentant since he said that being a Homosexual is wrong. Heck I think he already did it once in Sodom and Gomorrah, where you think Sodomize came from?

I do also believe in a loving and forgiving god, but we are talking about people here who are not asking for forgiveness for their sin, so how is it that he can forgive them? :?

This story is from the Old Testament and the law to not touch the Ark is from the Old Testament. We're going round and round in circles here because this is why I asked originally and was told that the New Testament laws replaced the Old Testament laws EXCEPT the Ten Commandments.

Not talking about the specific law here, I am using this example as a character reference to God himself. He is not always forgiving is my point! It only goes to reason if he would strike a man down in the Old Testament because he broke a rule, then why would he not do it now for breaking a rule?
 

backhoeboogie

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reader (the Second) said:
We're going round and round in circles here because this is why I asked originally and was told that the New Testament laws replaced the Old Testament laws EXCEPT the Ten Commandments.

Mercy! If you are talking about my post referring to the Sermon on the Mound, The Ten Commandment reference was just an example. One thing! There are other references too.

Don't take my word for it. Read for yourself.
 

kolanuraven

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http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/643519.html


Levi Johnston, the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol, has quit his North Slope oil field job over questions about his eligibility to work in an electrical apprenticeship program, Johnston's father said Monday.
 

Steve

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R2
I think it's a low blow for the media to snoop on this kid who already has his hands full with the new baby.

not the first low blow from the press. more then likely won't be the last..

if he sat at home and was waiting on his girl to get a check so he could get some beer... then I would be pizzed..

but I am never upset at any one working.. no matter how he got his first job, it looks as if he earned the spot on the electrical apprenticeship program.


Why not focus on the thousands of no loads who do nothing to better themselves?
 

alice

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reader (the Second) said:
I think it's a low blow for the media to snoop on this kid who already has his hands full with the new baby. His father AND father-in-law to be work for the company and it is a common practice for people to get jobs due to networking. The fact that he transferred due to layoffs might well explain the oversight imho.

I'll guarantee ya'...this kid doesn't care...

He doesn't want to finish high school...now, anyway. He wants to work, WHEN he wants to work. And, he knows his baby is gonna be well taken care of, so what the hey!

The only sympathy I have for him...he comes from parents that weren't parents...he doesn't know any better.

Alice
 

hopalong

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At least the kid is trying, unlike the liberal free loaders that alice and kolo support!

Alice if you are so sure the kid does not want to work would you put your money where your fat mouth is? Say $100 that he is still trying in 6 months to support the baby and his responsibilities, or are you going to cling to the hope that he fails?And then another $100 on top of that in the following 6 months???
Come alligator mouth step up or shut up!!!
 

CattleArmy

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kolanuraven said:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/643519.html


Levi Johnston, the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol, has quit his North Slope oil field job over questions about his eligibility to work in an electrical apprenticeship program, Johnston's father said Monday.

Oh no what if they go on welfare? Or will Grandma Palin help them out?
 

alice

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hopalong said:
At least the kid is trying, unlike the liberal free loaders that alice and kolo support!

Alice if you are so sure the kid does not want to work would you put your money where your fat mouth is? Say $100 that he is still trying in 6 months to support the baby and his responsibilities, or are you going to cling to the hope that he fails?And then another $100 on top of that in the following 6 months???
Come alligator mouth step up or shut up!!!

Who do you suggest hold the bet money?

Alice
 

Steve

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alice said:
hopalong said:
At least the kid is trying, unlike the liberal free loaders that alice and kolo support!

Alice if you are so sure the kid does not want to work would you put your money where your fat mouth is? Say $100 that he is still trying in 6 months to support the baby and his responsibilities, or are you going to cling to the hope that he fails?And then another $100 on top of that in the following 6 months???
Come alligator mouth step up or shut up!!!

Who do you suggest hold the bet money?

Alice

if you can find one unbiased person that is honest enough to hold it, that might be worth the hundred alone..
 

alice

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Steve said:
alice said:
hopalong said:
At least the kid is trying, unlike the liberal free loaders that alice and kolo support!

Alice if you are so sure the kid does not want to work would you put your money where your fat mouth is? Say $100 that he is still trying in 6 months to support the baby and his responsibilities, or are you going to cling to the hope that he fails?And then another $100 on top of that in the following 6 months???
Come alligator mouth step up or shut up!!!

Who do you suggest hold the bet money?

Alice

if you can find one unbiased person that is honest enough to hold it, that might be worth the hundred alone..

Yes indeed...I must agree!

Alice
 

Yanuck

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reader (the Second) said:
I think it's a low blow for the media to snoop on this kid who already has his hands full with the new baby. His father AND father-in-law to be work for the company and it is a common practice for people to get jobs due to networking. The fact that he transferred due to layoffs might well explain the oversight imho.

R2 I agree with you on the low blow angle, but what else is new with the media. This is not the first pair of teens to get pregnant, the election is over, Obama won, why doesn't everyone leave them alone? :?
Here is the entire aricle

Levi Johnston quits oil field job
PUBLIC SCRUTINY: Rules say he needs diploma for apprenticeship.

By WESLEY LOY
[email protected]

Published: January 5th, 2009 06:06 PM
Last Modified: January 5th, 2009 01:33 PM

Levi Johnston, the boyfriend of Gov. Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol, has quit his North Slope oil field job over questions about his eligibility to work in an electrical apprenticeship program, Johnston's father said Monday.

Johnston, 18, began working this fall in the Milne Point oil field with ASRC Energy Services Inc., a major Slope contractor.

In a Sunday newspaper column, Anchorage radio talk show host Dan Fagan questioned how Johnston could take part in ASRC's apprenticeship program without a high school diploma.

Fagan said he understood federal regulations require all members of apprenticeship programs to have a diploma. He also questioned whether the governor might have had a hand in getting Johnston into the program.

Palin adamantly denied that Monday.

Johnston's father, Keith Johnston, said the governor had nothing to do with getting Levi the Slope job. Keith Johnston said his own position as an ASRC construction engineer accounts for any help his son received in landing work.

Both Palin and the elder Johnston added that the governor's husband, Todd Palin, himself a Slope worker for BP, likewise had no involvement with getting Levi the ASRC job.

But due to the media attention surrounding the matter, Johnston said he and his son conferred Monday and Levi decided to resign and concentrate on his education.

"He felt it was the best thing to do to kind of calm the waters, so to speak," Keith Johnston said. Levi was flying home from the Slope late Monday, he said.

Johnston said his son always struggled with school and never got his diploma.

When Levi realized last year that he and the governor's daughter Bristol were going to be parents -- Bristol gave birth to a baby boy on Dec. 27 -- Keith Johnston said he counseled his son to start work on a GED and to apply for jobs.

Levi is mechanically inclined and since age 8 has tagged along with his dad on house-building and wiring jobs, Keith Johnston said.

In early September, Levi finally landed a job as a roustabout on an ASRC project in Valdez, Johnston said.

Levi did well, showed a good attitude and didn't complain about working in the weather, he said.

After that job ended and layoffs started coming, ASRC offered him a choice of two other positions, one in Cook Inlet and another through the electrical apprenticeship program in the Milne Point oil field, Johnston said.

Levi took the Milne Point gig starting around the first of November. He also decided it would be better to work online toward a regular high school diploma than to seek a GED, his father said.

As for the requirement of a high school diploma to be in the apprenticeship program, Keith Johnston said, "It's just something that slipped through the cracks." He said the lack of a diploma wasn't something that managers at ASRC caught and neither he nor Levi gave it much thought.

But now, Levi figures it's best to leave the job and pursue his education, Keith Johnston said. Levi's not eligible for the apprenticeship program without the diploma, he said.

"You guys are watching him so tightly," Johnston said, referring to the media. "He's being treated different than an average 18-year-old kid. He has to do everything by the book now."

He added: "Sarah had nothing to do with him getting hired on the Slope. If there was any help getting him on up there, it was because of my associations and no one else's."

Levi and Bristol gained national celebrity in early September when they stood onstage with Sarah Palin at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn., where Palin accepted the nomination to campaign as John McCain's vice presidential running mate.

Palin, in an interview Monday, said she considered Fagan's column "a political potshot taken at me," one that threatens to "destroy a young man's opportunity for work."

She denied helping Levi gain employment directly at ASRC. However, Palin said she wrote him -- and plenty of other youths who have asked -- a generic, "To whom it may concern" letter of support.

The June 23, 2008, letter for Levi says in part: "I have known Levi and his family for many years and am most impressed with Levi's work ethic. Levi is organized, efficient, extremely competent, and will prove to be an excellent employee. Also, Levi's physical strength and determination are assets that will be useful to your company."

ASRC spokespersons declined to comment on Levi Johnston directly, citing employee privacy.

In a written statement, the company said its electrical apprenticeship program eligibility requirements include a high school diploma or equivalent, "but this is not a requirement mandated by the federal government."

The statement also says, "The information provided by the applicant to the company is relied upon to be true and correct."

Keith Johnston said his son never told ASRC he had a high school education when he really didn't. Rather, he said, the lack of a diploma was something that was simply overlooked as Levi transferred from the Valdez job to the Slope job.

Fagan, who also maintains a journalistic Web site, said Monday he wasn't out to take potshots at the governor.

"I'm just doing my job," he said.
 

hypocritexposer

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This is not the first pair of teens to get pregnant, the election is over, Obama won, why doesn't everyone leave them alone?

I would think the media would have more to say on Obama, and his rise from being the product of conception out of wedlock, and his father and mother's running off on him. Leaving him with his grandparents to be raised.

If the media and liberals wanted to be positive about just this kind of situation, they could show that it is possible to make something out of yourself, after being in this situation.
 

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