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oh don't worry Tam-obama covered everythting:

The Senate health care bill just signed contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine. As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:


So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal insurance plan for the Amish.

Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.

"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."


Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).

Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light calls our attention to the probability that Muslims will also be exempt. According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:


Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars.

In Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/277) there is a quotation of a statement of the Council of Senior Scholars concerning the prohibition on insurance and why it is haraam:

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/251):


Firstly: Commercial insurance of all types is haraam because it involves ambiguity, riba, uncertainty, gambling and consuming people's wealth unlawfully, and other shar'i

Secondly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to get involved with insurance companies by working in administration or otherwise, because working in them comes under the heading of cooperating in sin and transgression, and Allaah forbids that as He says: "but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment"

[al-Maa'idah 5:2]. End quote.

reservations.
And Allaah knows best.

So, it turns out that observant Muslims are not only strictly forbidden from buying any health insurance under the ObamaCare mandate, but may also not even work for any company that provides such insurance or any other form of commercial insurance.

It is not made clear whether or not it is religiously okay to accept "free" non-insured medical care such as that offered in hospital ERs and to some who are covered by Medicaid.

Whether it's all right to serve as a doctor, nurse, or orderly caring for patients whose medical services are being paid for by insurance is not covered in the present response - but one could probably obtain a religious ruling from the Sheikh, whose site welcomes the submission of questions about Islamic law and practices.
 
I am not a practicing Catholic even though Grandma and Mom did everything to teach me and have me go through all the steps. I am in NO WAY defending those who take part in any services but as it states you must go to confession and ask for forgiveness how does anyone know if they did? What happens in confessional stays there. We are not to judge. I understand you can only say sorry so many times till its not meant nor are you changing you ways ..... It is up to us to use the brain God gave us if their actions do not match what they say then we do not have to believe them or support them in politics. If the powers that be, in the Catholic church feel their actions warrant excommunication then it is up to them not us.

I feel there is a lot of misinformation out about the Mormons as there is with other religions.
The public practice of polygamy by the church was terminated in 1890 by the Manifesto issued by church President Willford Woodruff in which he publicly declared "that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriages forbidden by the law of the land." Today, over 14 million members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) are strictly monogamist, and members who are known to practice polygamy are excommunicated.

As for sharia law it goes completely against our constitution. Other religions instruct their members to follow the law of the land muslims feel they are the law and others must submit to them and their beliefs.
 
Tam said:
Steve said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

it can't get much clearer then that...

Then how was polygamy outlawed in the Morman faith? :? and will Muslims be allowed to practice their religious right to Honor Killings? This question is not just about the Catholics and birth control it is, like the Rabi said, about all religious beliefs. If the Catholic church can back Obama off their issue using Religious beliefs as a defence WHAT"S NEXT? And will the US way of life survive the pandoras box that Obama has openned?

Polygamy could be slowed if the US law enforcement courts would just enforce existing child rape laws...

as for it being allowed by the US Constitution, like gay marriage it was not ever addressed by the Constitution.. so if we want a pure Constitutional decision we should expect the rights of "consenting adults" to be upheld.. (slippery slope) a pandora's box that most do not want opened..

honor killings is a distorted violent act against another.. to argue for it would be akin to burning witches again.. murder is murder..

Christians hold that life begins at conception.. so to force US to go against our beliefs and assist in harming that life is making a law that goes against the free expression of our religion.. thus the law is unconstitutional..

I am not against birth control... or even abortion drugs such as the day after pill..

my belief on abortion is even moderate.. as I do not try to reconcile reality with my faith.. or even the Constitution with my faith,.. I live my life in a way that I do my best to prevent the need for abortions, and will leave judgement to GOD..

but the wording of the Constitution and Bible are both pretty clear on the issue....









if I take a literal view of both the Bible and the Constitution my actions are wrong on both as I am nowhere close to following either.. but I will continue to strive to accept and follow both.. even if the answer is not one I like or want to accept..
 

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