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Smoking Ban

CattleArmy

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Neb.)-Heineman Signs Smoking Ban Law

By: Chris Fankhauser Posted at: 02/26/2008 10:39 AM


LINCOLN, Neb. (AP) - Governor Dave Heineman has signed into a law a statewide smoking ban that will go into effect in summer 2009.

Heineman said in a statement Tuesday that he weighed the interests of business owners and health concerns of the public, then signed it because public health is a critical concern.

The law will not let cities and counties opt out of the ban and is modeled after the ordinance approved in Lincoln three years ago.
 

jigs

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I am all for it!

having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool. when enjoying a good meal, nothing irritates me more than the table next to me lighting up.

I grew up around smoking parents, and once I moved out, I realized just how much it permeated everything I owned.....
 

nonothing

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Smoking ban may spark chaos in federal jails: advocate
Glenda Luymes , Canwest News Service
Published: Saturday, March 01, 2008

VANCOUVER - Corrections Canada is set to ban smoking in its prisons across the country at the end of April, a move some prisoners and advocates say could have dangerous consequences.

One former inmate says he fears the ban may create a "desperate situation" inside federal prisons.

"You can only push people so far before they won't take it anymore," said Glenn Flett, director of the prisoners' advocacy group L.I.N.C.

"I don't know how this is going to be taken on the inside."

Corrections Canada banned indoor smoking ban in its prisons in 2006. But the new rules will mean an end to smoking outdoors as well.

And while prison authorities are prepared to provide smoking-cessation programs to inmates, Flett doesn't think that's going to be enough.

"You've got guys in places like Kent (a maximum-security prison in B.C.) that have been smoking for 25 years and they're serving life sentences. They're not going to accept it," he said.

Flett, who spent 12 years behind bars for killing a Toronto store manager during a holdup, is also concerned about the long-term impact of the ban. Tobacco is already used as currency in prison, he said. Banning it will only increase its value.

"It's an unmanageable idea. It's going to create a phenomenal black market."

John Williams, an official with the union that represents prison guards, said he anticipates some "hiccups" when the ban takes effect.

"They're not going to be too happy," he said, referring to the inmates. "It's going to be a process."

But Williams said the union supports the ban, which will also affect guards who smoke. They will now have to leave the prison grounds before they light up.

"It's rough for both sides. For anybody who smokes and then quits, it makes you a little edgy. But we'll stay professional. We can't get confrontational," he said.

Corrections Canada spokesman Dave Lefebvre said inmates who want to take part in smoking cessation programs must start before April 30.

"The inmates will have to indicate they want to take part. We'll have a variety of products available to help," he said.

In addition to education, Corrections Canada is making plans to deal with "unrest and conflict" when the ban begins.

Smoking bans have sparked prison protests in the past.

When the Fraser Regional Correctional Centre in Maple Ridge, B.C., became that province's first smoke-free prison in 2000, prisoners refused to work and the institution was locked down. The inmates said the ban violated their rights.
 

nonothing

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I love this,now prisons are starting to get it....I could care less if they hate the ban,but if nothing else there will be less smoking related health issuse in prison for the tax payer to cover....prison should be about inconvenience
 

CattleArmy

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nonothing said:
I love this,now prisons are starting to get it....I could care less if they hate the ban,but if nothing else there will be less smoking related health issuse in prison for the tax payer to cover....prison should be about inconvenience

Wow you have a good point.
 

Steve

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Convict
"You can only push people so far before they won't take it anymore,"

maybe thats why this idiot is sitting in jail..

Smoking should have never been allowed in prison.. nor any of the other percs..
 

Cal

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Just wondering if smokeless tobbacco will be allowed where smoking is banned, or if nicorette type gum will be part of a really longterm prison smoking cessation program? There's more than one delivery system for nicotine.
 
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Cal said:
Just wondering if smokeless tobbacco will be allowed where smoking is banned, or if nicorette type gum will be part of a really longterm prison smoking cessation program? There's more than one delivery system for nicotine.

Actually when we did it in our jail 15 years ago- the Doctor and Judge ordered us to make patchs and gum accessible to them if they requested (at taxpayer expense :roll: :( )- and I did allow the jailer to buy them smokeless tobacco (Copenhagen, Skoal) at the prisoners expense.....
Nothing worse than an overcrowed jail, then one that is overcrowded with everyone having a nicotine fit....
 

Richard Doolittle

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If there is such overwhelming support for smoke free businesses, why does it have to be legislated?? Any business owner can prohibit smoking on their property.
 

Red Barn Angus

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Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.
 
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Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.

I agree Red Barn-- that is a decision that should be made by the business and its customers--not the government....
 

Sandhusker

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Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.

Seems it's the way with most laws, they get created because others didn't practice any common sense or abused their rights. Smokers wouldn't like it if somebody sat next them and started dropping beer farts, but they don't consider the smell they're making for others. You reap what you sow.
 

nonothing

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Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.


I disagree totally...first off you write:
Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal.
..

Well liquor when it involves hurting others it is illegal.....Your suggesting driving after drinking is ok? I think when your actions negativly affect others,rules should be in places.....Gambling to has rules that keep it from hurting others , and as it should have these rules,just ask micheal vick.


Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have.


I think any time one persons actions can directly affect the health of those around them in a negative manner,something needs to be done....People have known for ever that second hand smoke was unhealthy,yet they still smoked on busses,planes and resturants...could you imagine taking you child to Mcdonalds for an ice cream cone and to enjoy a half hour playing on the indoor slides and adventure playground,if it was full of smokers?If smokers cared enough before to not put thier habit on to the public,then there would be no need for laws against such behavior........

Imagine how many cold and flue viruses leave a sick smoker each time they blow that crap out of them for all the world to breath...


I agree with you on one point......Politicians today drop the ball on polluters by accepting pay outs and such....

I guess the pressure from the public is stronger then the amount of dollars that tabaco companies could pay out..If it was not,you could bet smoking in public buildings would be bought and paid for by now....


With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God


Smoking is not a right,breathing fresh air is.....
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.

Seems it's the way with most laws, they get created because others didn't practice any common sense or abused their rights. Smokers wouldn't like it if somebody sat next them and started dropping beer farts, but they don't consider the smell they're making for others. You reap what you sow.

The problem is "Lack of Consideration" for your immediate neighbor, something you cannot legislate.
 

Richard Doolittle

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nonothing said:
Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.


I disagree totally...first off you write:
Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal.
..

Well liquor when it involves hurting others it is illegal.....Your suggesting driving after drinking is ok? I think when your actions negativly affect others,rules should be in places.....Gambling to has rules that keep it from hurting others , and as it should have these rules,just ask micheal vick.


Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have.


I think any time one persons actions can directly affect the health of those around them in a negative manner,something needs to be done....People have known for ever that second hand smoke was unhealthy,yet they still smoked on busses,planes and resturants...could you imagine taking you child to Mcdonalds for an ice cream cone and to enjoy a half hour playing on the indoor slides and adventure playground,if it was full of smokers?If smokers cared enough before to not put thier habit on to the public,then there would be no need for laws against such behavior........

Imagine how many cold and flue viruses leave a sick smoker each time they blow that crap out of them for all the world to breath...


I agree with you on one point......Politicians today drop the ball on polluters by accepting pay outs and such....

I guess the pressure from the public is stronger then the amount of dollars that tabaco companies could pay out..If it was not,you could bet smoking in public buildings would be bought and paid for by now....


With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God


Smoking is not a right,breathing fresh air is.....

You're defeating your own argument. McDonalds made the decision to go smoke free on their own. It was to their benefit as a business and they didn't do it because it was legislated on them. There are plenty of smoke free restaraunts for people to choose from. The ones that allow smoking should have that choice also and customers have the choice of which business to patronize.

As far as blowing viruses out when they exhale smoke, you lost me on that one. Are you saying that exhaled smoke is more likely to carry viruses than the exhaled breath of a non-smoking sick person?
 

CattleArmy

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In the past few months I have traveled fairly often to other states. Several of which already do not allow/or the restraunt decided on their own against smoking in public restraunts or places. As a non smoker I love it. It's nice to go to a bar and not smell like a cigarette when I leave. It's nice to go for supper and not be asked smoking or non with the realization that smoke is still in the building. I don't understand why they even bother in the same building do people honestly think smoke doesn't drift to nonsmoking areas?

I believe it is everyone's choice to smoke or not. However, I don't want to have to encounter it.
 

nonothing

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Richard Doolittle said:
nonothing said:
Red Barn Angus said:
Legislating away somebody else's rights is getting to be a real fad. Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal. Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have. With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God.


I disagree totally...first off you write:
Let's make all forms of liquor illegal or let's make all forms of gambling illegal.
..

Well liquor when it involves hurting others it is illegal.....Your suggesting driving after drinking is ok? I think when your actions negativly affect others,rules should be in places.....Gambling to has rules that keep it from hurting others , and as it should have these rules,just ask micheal vick.


Every time somebody doesn't like something they want a law against it. Pretty soon there will be no rights left and not nearly enough people to enforce all the laws we have.


I think any time one persons actions can directly affect the health of those around them in a negative manner,something needs to be done....People have known for ever that second hand smoke was unhealthy,yet they still smoked on busses,planes and resturants...could you imagine taking you child to Mcdonalds for an ice cream cone and to enjoy a half hour playing on the indoor slides and adventure playground,if it was full of smokers?If smokers cared enough before to not put thier habit on to the public,then there would be no need for laws against such behavior........

Imagine how many cold and flue viruses leave a sick smoker each time they blow that crap out of them for all the world to breath...


I agree with you on one point......Politicians today drop the ball on polluters by accepting pay outs and such....

I guess the pressure from the public is stronger then the amount of dollars that tabaco companies could pay out..If it was not,you could bet smoking in public buildings would be bought and paid for by now....


With the caliber of folks we have making the laws I don't want them legislating away my rights...and I could give a hoot about the smoking bans. I just don't like the trend and the desire some, particularly politicians, have to play God


Smoking is not a right,breathing fresh air is.....

You're defeating your own argument. McDonalds made the decision to go smoke free on their own. It was to their benefit as a business and they didn't do it because it was legislated on them. There are plenty of smoke free restaraunts for people to choose from. The ones that allow smoking should have that choice also and customers have the choice of which business to patronize.

As far as blowing viruses out when they exhale smoke, you lost me on that one. Are you saying that exhaled smoke is more likely to carry viruses than the exhaled breath of a non-smoking sick person?

You must be a smoker...I am saying smoke goes into your lungs,and is blown out for all those around you to breath in....it hangs in the air for a long period of time..it wharfes around others much longer then exhaled breath.....It sits in the lungs collecting all the germs inside and then is blown out and pollutes the air of those around it....
 

Richard Doolittle

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I am a smoker, but my argument is more for free enterprise. I'm sick of Governments passing laws trying to protect everyone from everything. Why should a private business not have the choice to allow whatever legal behavior they choose?

If the interest was truly about public health, they would outlaw tobacco.
 
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