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Tam

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The Dems pulled the Death Panels from the health care bill when Palin brought them to the public's attention only to sneak them in through back door regulation. AND the Dems want their supporters to keep it quiet so they can get them up and running before the majority that had a fit about them find out THEY'RE BACK.

They’re Back! Death Panels Through Regulation
by Chris Bounds on December 27, 2010

Did you really believe Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Congress when they said the stories of death panels were just myths drummed up by Sarah Palin as a scare tactic?


Well, according to this The New York Times the government is pursuing similar end-of-life “advise” plans to the ones that were dropped from the health care bill after public outcry:

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.

Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.

While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.

The idea of an optional end-of-life planning discussion during a wellness check up is not the problem. However, government incentivizing doctors to participate is. Particularly when the incentives are for doctors of Medicare patients. Can anyone foreshadow how this will evolve when cost cutting measures meet Medicare?
 

Tam

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President Gets Around Annoying Voters, Instills Death Panels By Regulation
-By Warner Todd Huston

Some of you may have missed this story since it was published on the day after Christmas (and a Sunday at that), but Obama's death panels are back, this time via the president's fiat regulatory powers. Since it was easy to have missed, I've decided to post the story today (Monday) so that more people might see it now that Christmas and the weekend both are over.

You might recall the end of life care policies that were once in Obamacare. You might also remember the political firestorm these death panels whipped up. The pressure was heavy enough that the Democrats removed the policy from the final Obamacare bill.

Well, now that Obamacare is passed, Obama is slipping these death panels right back into existence by ordering Medicare to just make the policy a new rule under updated Medicare regulations.

The controversial plan was originally meant to subsidize doctors if they offered end-of-life care counseling to their elderly or terminal patients. This advice was meant to push terminal patients to accept less than full life-saving care and instead to chose care that would ease them into death.

Granted this sort of counseling is often a necessary (if regrettable) part of the last days of many people's lives. It certainly makes sense for some very sick people to assess if further heroic care might not be the best use of resources and/or time.

But here is the problem that arises with this whole program: it is government pushing the talk of ending your life. Do you want the same sort of folks that bring you the CIA or the DMV to be responsible to give you end-of-life advice, the kind of advice that could hasten your death?

Is this new directive any different than the one that Democrats took out of Obamacare because the voters were against it all? Well, the guy that wrote the original death panel language that was removed from Obamacare sent out a message to his supporters celebrating Obama's new fiat death panels in the Medicare regulation. But he urged supporters to keep it all hush hush.



We would ask that you not broadcast this accomplishment out to any of your lists, even if they are "supporters" -- e-mails can too easily be forwarded.

Thus far, it seems that no press or blogs have discovered it, but we will be keeping a close watch and may be calling on you if we need a rapid, targeted response. The longer this goes unnoticed, the better our chances of keeping it
.


In other words, the longer the public isn't aware about Obama's newest death panel efforts, the longer those that want to end the lives of the sick can keep their new rule. I think that says all you need to know about it all, really.

In fact, that says all you need to know about the left. If their ideas become widely known voters are against them. So, if they find voters voting against them, then they just sneak them in by regulation or judicial order. Democrats and leftists think you don't deserve to have any control over your lives, after all.


Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/publius-forum/2010/12/president-gets-around-annoying-voters-instills-death-panels-by-regulation.html#ixzz19N1l9HQi
 
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Tam said:
The Dems pulled the Death Panels from the health care bill when Palin brought them to the public's attention only to sneak them in through back door regulation. AND the Dems want their supporters to keep it quiet so they can get them up and running before the majority that had a fit about them find out THEY'RE BACK.

They’re Back! Death Panels Through Regulation
by Chris Bounds on December 27, 2010

Did you really believe Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Congress when they said the stories of death panels were just myths drummed up by Sarah Palin as a scare tactic?


Well, according to this The New York Times the government is pursuing similar end-of-life “advise” plans to the ones that were dropped from the health care bill after public outcry:

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.


Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.

While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.

The idea of an optional end-of-life planning discussion during a wellness check up is not the problem. However, government incentivizing doctors to participate is. Particularly when the incentives are for doctors of Medicare patients. Can anyone foreshadow how this will evolve when cost cutting measures meet Medicare?

Comically that provision was introduced into the Senates version of the Health Care Bill by one of the most CONSERVATIVE members of Congress-- Senator Coburn, an MD, who said he was doing so at the request of the Medical profession....Doctors said that they needed the advance directives and living wills given legal standing so they weren't getting sued by a relative that tried to override the patients wishes.....

Doctors and Hospitals have been advising patients on "Advance Directives" and "Living Wills" for years... My mother had one- and we followed it- and it takes a lot of the decision making off the family members... When my soon to be 89 year old uncle was in the hospital the other day-- they advised him on the subject and on getting a Power of Attorney...Since we already had a Power of Attorney-- he did do an "Advance Directive" giving advice to the medical professionals on what care he did and did NOT want...

Tam- Any responsible person should have a duly certified "advanced directive", "living will" or whatever your government entity calls them written up- and not leave all the responsibility on the family members....
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
The Dems pulled the Death Panels from the health care bill when Palin brought them to the public's attention only to sneak them in through back door regulation. AND the Dems want their supporters to keep it quiet so they can get them up and running before the majority that had a fit about them find out THEY'RE BACK.

They’re Back! Death Panels Through Regulation
by Chris Bounds on December 27, 2010

Did you really believe Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Congress when they said the stories of death panels were just myths drummed up by Sarah Palin as a scare tactic?


Well, according to this The New York Times the government is pursuing similar end-of-life “advise” plans to the ones that were dropped from the health care bill after public outcry:

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.


Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.

While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.

The idea of an optional end-of-life planning discussion during a wellness check up is not the problem. However, government incentivizing doctors to participate is. Particularly when the incentives are for doctors of Medicare patients. Can anyone foreshadow how this will evolve when cost cutting measures meet Medicare?

Comically that provision was introduced into the Senates version of the Health Care Bill by one of the most CONSERVATIVE members of Congress-- Senator Coburn, an MD, who said he was doing so at the request of the Medical profession....Doctors said that they needed the advance directives and living wills given legal standing so they weren't getting sued by a relative that tried to override the patients wishes.....

Doctors and Hospitals have been advising patients on "Advance Directives" and "Living Wills" for years... My mother had one- and we followed it- and it takes a lot of the decision making off the family members... When my soon to be 89 year old uncle was in the hospital the other day-- they advised him on the subject and on getting a Power of Attorney...Since we already had a Power of Attorney-- he did do an "Advance Directive" giving advice to the medical professionals on what care he did and did NOT want...

Tam- Any responsible person should have a duly certified "advanced directive", "living will" or whatever your government entity calls them written up- and not leave all the responsibility on the family members....


Hell's freezin over folks...I agree 110% with you on this OT!! :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Just another couple of opinions from Doctors.


Sterilization and the Nazi Biomedical Vision
Lifton, Robert J.



By the time Hitler arrived on the scene, he discovered a German people ready for the final phase of the hardening process, and Hitler had mass media at his disposal to accomplish the task. Propaganda films were produced depicting terminally-ill people in hopeless situations. These people 'wanted to die', and they were begging their doctors to be "compassionate" enough to kill them.



Robert J. Lifton is Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry at John Jay College and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. He is the author of other widely acclaimed works, Death in Life (1968), Home from the War (1973), The Life of the Self (1976), The Broken Connection (1979), and with Richard Falk, Indefensible Weapons (1982), all published by Basic Books.



The New Genocide of Handicapped And Afflicted People
Dr. Wolfensberger


"...Nursing Care is killing patients in ways that disguise the true cause of death, mostly by the over-prescription of mind-altering and body-destroying psychoactive drugs...'It is my personal estimate that various forms of death-making account for at least 200,000 deaths per year of handicapped and afflicted people. If this estimate is correct, WE ARE KILLING FAR MORE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE PER YEAR, THAN THE NAZIS DID BETWEEN 1939-1945."


"...the likelihood is relatively high that persons afflicted with multiple devalued conditions will not leave a hospital alive -- even if their affliction and/or illness is relatively moderate. In many locales in North America, it is dangerous to admit to a typical general hospital a moderately retarded person who is above the age of 60. Secretly, and without involving relevant relatives...death-dealing decisions about such individuals may be made by medical personnel. Often, the only way to assure the safety of such afflicted persons in hospitals is to place at their bed a 24-hour 'guard', family members, advocates, friends, private duty nurses...who want to see that person live."




This is the book so hot that Dr. Wolfensberger could not get it printed! A Holocaust survivor and trainer of nurses to work with Handicapped people at Syracuse University, Dr. Wolfensberger is in a unique position to document that American hospitals and senior care facilities are killing more people than Adolf Hitler ever did and for the same Satanic, New World Order reasons. If you have any loved ones who are handicapped in any way, or elderly parents, you need to read this book! This information may save the life of someone you love with all your heart! Not available in bookstores.
 

Tam

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
The Dems pulled the Death Panels from the health care bill when Palin brought them to the public's attention only to sneak them in through back door regulation. AND the Dems want their supporters to keep it quiet so they can get them up and running before the majority that had a fit about them find out THEY'RE BACK.

They’re Back! Death Panels Through Regulation
by Chris Bounds on December 27, 2010

Did you really believe Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Congress when they said the stories of death panels were just myths drummed up by Sarah Palin as a scare tactic?


Well, according to this The New York Times the government is pursuing similar end-of-life “advise” plans to the ones that were dropped from the health care bill after public outcry:

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.


Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.

While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.

The idea of an optional end-of-life planning discussion during a wellness check up is not the problem. However, government incentivizing doctors to participate is. Particularly when the incentives are for doctors of Medicare patients. Can anyone foreshadow how this will evolve when cost cutting measures meet Medicare?

Comically that provision was introduced into the Senates version of the Health Care Bill by one of the most CONSERVATIVE members of Congress-- Senator Coburn, an MD, who said he was doing so at the request of the Medical profession....Doctors said that they needed the advance directives and living wills given legal standing so they weren't getting sued by a relative that tried to override the patients wishes.....

Doctors and Hospitals have been advising patients on "Advance Directives" and "Living Wills" for years... My mother had one- and we followed it- and it takes a lot of the decision making off the family members... When my soon to be 89 year old uncle was in the hospital the other day-- they advised him on the subject and on getting a Power of Attorney...Since we already had a Power of Attorney-- he did do an "Advance Directive" giving advice to the medical professionals on what care he did and did NOT want...

Tam- Any responsible person should have a duly certified "advanced directive", "living will" or whatever your government entity calls them written up- and not leave all the responsibility on the family members....


Just think of this Oldtimer when you have the Government that pays for your treatment dealing with the end of life information you recieve, what do you think they are going to tell you when they are looking to cut costs? What's good for you or what is good for their budget? :roll: The Government needs to stay out of the Doctors office and need to be stopped from regulating what the Doctors are to advise their patients about or THEIR BUDGET WILL RULE WHAT THE DOCTOR CAN ADVISE YOU TO DO!!!!!! :x

Besides if this is such a great thing why are the Dems HIDING THE FACT they are putting it in place not in a Congress voted on bill but by the back door regulations. WHAT IS TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS PROCESS? :?

And Please explain why the Government needs to be involved? My dad had a living will wrote up after I asked my family to look into it. It was written up and signed by my dad and one of his oldest friends witnessed it, DONE DEAL. The US Government had not a da*n thing to do with it. It was between my Dad, our family, his doctor and NOBODY ELSE. The problem is to many people EXPECT the Government to do things THEY SHOULD DO FOR THEMSELVES. It is time for some personal responsiblity for ones life and stop expecting the Government to take care of you from birth to death. :roll:
 

Tam

Well-known member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo&feature=player_embedded

This is a prefect example of why Obama and the Dems should stay the H*ll out of the Doctors offices. If Obama had his way the lady's mother would have been told by her doctor because of government regulations to take a pain killer instead of having the operation that has already extended her life by 5 years. The operation might have been a waste of money to Obama but I doubt you are going to get this lady, her family or her mother to agree it was a waste.
 

pdfangus

Well-known member
well the folks of the united states accepted the guvment in the docotrs office when they accepted medicare cause it was conveinent to them.

then they went along with medicade.
after all the fox was already in the henhouse and he said he was there to help.

now the majority of the people have grown accustomed to the guvment taking care of them and they fully expect that all their needs should be tended to.

Medicare is broke already and so the logical fix (note sarcasm here) is to expand the medicare system to all people and now charge them for it.

when the system is too expensive the next logical thing to happen is to reduce costs.

how do you reduce costs in a medical system?
the only answers are to reduce or ration payments and services.
someone has to decide what gets paid and what does not.....
be it a panel ....
be it a politician....
be it a bureaucrat....
or be it the AMA......
someone is going to have to decide what services are available to whom.

this has been the patern everywhere socialized medicine has been tried

the guvment fox has been revealed to be a wolf and he will feast on chicken until the poultry industry is defunct......all the while crying that someone must save the chickens.....hoping to gain entry to the goat pen.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
The Dems pulled the Death Panels from the health care bill when Palin brought them to the public's attention only to sneak them in through back door regulation. AND the Dems want their supporters to keep it quiet so they can get them up and running before the majority that had a fit about them find out THEY'RE BACK.

They’re Back! Death Panels Through Regulation
by Chris Bounds on December 27, 2010

Did you really believe Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Congress when they said the stories of death panels were just myths drummed up by Sarah Palin as a scare tactic?


Well, according to this The New York Times the government is pursuing similar end-of-life “advise” plans to the ones that were dropped from the health care bill after public outcry:

When a proposal to encourage end-of-life planning touched off a political storm over “death panels,” Democrats dropped it from legislation to overhaul the health care system. But the Obama administration will achieve the same goal by regulation, starting Jan. 1.

Under the new policy, outlined in a Medicare regulation, the government will pay doctors who advise patients on options for end-of-life care, which may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment.


Congressional supporters of the new policy, though pleased, have kept quiet. They fear provoking another furor like the one in 2009 when Republicans seized on the idea of end-of-life counseling to argue that the Democrats’ bill would allow the government to cut off care for the critically ill.

The final version of the health care legislation, signed into law by President Obama in March, authorized Medicare coverage of yearly physical examinations, or wellness visits. The new rule says Medicare will cover “voluntary advance care planning,” to discuss end-of-life treatment, as part of the annual visit.

Under the rule, doctors can provide information to patients on how to prepare an “advance directive,” stating how aggressively they wish to be treated if they are so sick that they cannot make health care decisions for themselves.

While the new law does not mention advance care planning, the Obama administration has been able to achieve its policy goal through the regulation-writing process, a strategy that could become more prevalent in the next two years as the president deals with a strengthened Republican opposition in Congress.

The idea of an optional end-of-life planning discussion during a wellness check up is not the problem. However, government incentivizing doctors to participate is. Particularly when the incentives are for doctors of Medicare patients. Can anyone foreshadow how this will evolve when cost cutting measures meet Medicare?

Comically that provision was introduced into the Senates version of the Health Care Bill by one of the most CONSERVATIVE members of Congress-- Senator Coburn, an MD, who said he was doing so at the request of the Medical profession....Doctors said that they needed the advance directives and living wills given legal standing so they weren't getting sued by a relative that tried to override the patients wishes.....

Doctors and Hospitals have been advising patients on "Advance Directives" and "Living Wills" for years... My mother had one- and we followed it- and it takes a lot of the decision making off the family members... When my soon to be 89 year old uncle was in the hospital the other day-- they advised him on the subject and on getting a Power of Attorney...Since we already had a Power of Attorney-- he did do an "Advance Directive" giving advice to the medical professionals on what care he did and did NOT want...

Tam- Any responsible person should have a duly certified "advanced directive", "living will" or whatever your government entity calls them written up- and not leave all the responsibility on the family members....

isn't the bigger issue that the president lied? , and can't be trusted?
 

Steve

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
Hell's freezin over folks...I agree 110% with you on this OT!! :wink:

yea it is pretty cold up in the north east...

I feel advance directives should be done,.. and a good time was when a person is signing up for SS or at their doctors...

but we are a nation of laws... not government regulations and lies... or at least we are supposed to be.. :?
 

Tam

Well-known member
jingo2 said:
Tam...we don't want to hear about your sex life.... :roll: :roll:

Typical Liberal LOON :roll: If you are not going to discuss the issue of your hero Obama ( MR TRANSPARENT) trying to hide the fact he is using back door regulation to get something that has been tossed out by Congress due to the firestorm from a majority of voters, why don't you just shut up and not post at all. :roll:

I hear he is doing the same da*n thing to get Cap and Trade and Immigration reform. If he can't do something he wants through Congress he is going to do the end run and regulate it into law. The freak is not going to take no for an answer when it comes to destroying the US Economy and Health Care system. :mad: Time to investigate any and all possiblities of Impeaching him. The US and WORLD will not last another two years of his ability to veto and regulate his LEFTIST AGENDA into law. :mad:
 

pdfangus

Well-known member
I think the horse is over the hill and across the river and moving at a high lope....

the stable door is hanging by one hinge .....

and no one has any idea where there is a rope of any kind.

the snow is coming down hard and the cows are bawling for hay.....

oooppps no hay in the barn either......
 

Tam

Well-known member
Maybe it is time the voters use a running w on this horse, drag it back to the barn and nail the door shut with 6 inch ring spikes.
 

Yanuck

Well-known member
Steve said:
Yanuck said:
Hell's freezin over folks...I agree 110% with you on this OT!! :wink:

yea it is pretty cold up in the north east...

I feel advance directives should be done,.. and a good time was when a person is signing up for SS or at their doctors...

but we are a nation of laws... not government regulations and lies... or at least we are supposed to be.. :?

snowing here, they are predicting a foot or so....sigh...

When you have a will done, and I don't care if you are 21 or 78, you should have one done...you write down what you want and how you want it done when its time....docs preach about smoking, drinking, overeating, cholesterol all the time....why not about when you can't talk for yourself? Personally I don't think Dr's do enough to prepare people or their families, my MIL thinks its 1946 but her Doc prescribes Alzheimers meds that cost over $400/month...WTH for? as long as she's alive he's getting some money!!
 

hopalong

Well-known member
Yanuck said:
Steve said:
Yanuck said:
Hell's freezin over folks...I agree 110% with you on this OT!! :wink:

yea it is pretty cold up in the north east...

I feel advance directives should be done,.. and a good time was when a person is signing up for SS or at their doctors...

but we are a nation of laws... not government regulations and lies... or at least we are supposed to be.. :?

snowing here, they are predicting a foot or so....sigh...

When you have a will done, and I don't care if you are 21 or 78, you should have one done...you write down what you want and how you want it done when its time....docs preach about smoking, drinking, overeating, cholesterol all the time....why not about when you can't talk for yourself? Personally I don't think Dr's do enough to prepare people or their families, my MIL thinks its 1946 but her Doc prescribes Alzheimers meds that cost over $400/month...WTH for? as long as she's alive he's getting some money!!

Yanuck, I don't know what meds the Dr prescribed but my MIL took some for her Alzh. and when we took her off them she improved, not a lot but enough that not only did WE notice the difference so did the Dr the next time we took her in!
 

Tam

Well-known member
Don't get me wrong I think a family Doctor should discuss end of live planning with their patients and living wills written. What I don't agree with is the Government getting involved by telling the Doctor what he/she is to advise them on when the government is going to be looking at cutting cost PERIOD. If you are old to bad, if you are handcapped to bad, if you have an expensive disease to bad. The government has to cut the cost of Medicare and guess who's treatment will be cut!!!!!!!

BTW why are the Dems trying to Cover their lieing backsides by saying Bush started End of Life counseling in 2008, when truth be known the Dems overrode Bush's veto of said bill and put it in place THEMSELVES? :?

Besides the 2008 DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED bill was for counceling every 5 years and now under Obama's backdoor regulations your doctor is to advise/hound you every year about it until you make the decision the government needs you to make to reach THEIR BUDGET CUTTING MEASURES. :x
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
End of life counselling is not the "Death Panels" that Palin was talking about.

“Death panel” refers to the regulations developed which will define the treatments available to you, based on some formula which will consider your age, your quality of life, and the cost of the treatment and whether or not the regulators consider it to be cost-effective.
 

Steve

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
End of life counselling is not the "Death Panels" that Palin was talking about.

“Death panel” refers to the regulations developed which will define the treatments available to you, based on some formula which will consider your age, your quality of life, and the cost of the treatment and whether or not the regulators consider it to be cost-effective.

you mean the crap hidden in the stimulus bill..

H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research,

Daschle's stated purpose (and therefore President Obama's purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept "hopeless diagnoses."

Who is on the Council? One of its most prominent members is none other than Dr. Death himself Ezekiel Emanuel,... Dr. Emanuel's views on saving money on medical care are simple: don't provide any medical care.

Specifically he champions statistical methods that give preference to what the government rates as "quality-adjusted life years." Meaning, the government decides whether a person's life is worth living. If the government decides the life is not worth living, it is the individual's duty to die to free up welfare payments for the young and productive.
 
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