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Socialized Medical Care

Mike

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Man's penis amputated following misdiagnosis
Published: 29 Dec 10 09:10 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/31130/20101229/

Share205 A Swedish man was forced to have his penis amputated after waiting more than a year to learn he had cancer.

The man, who is in his sixties, first visited a local clinic in Blekinge in southern Sweden in September 2009 for treatment of a urinary tract infection, the local Blekinge Läns Tidning (BLT) reported.

When he returned in March 2010 complaining of foreskin irritation, the doctor on duty at the time diagnosed the problem as a simple case of inflammation.

After three weeks passed without the prescribed treatment alleviating the man’s condition, he was instructed to seek further treatment at Blekinge Hospital.

But it took five months before he was able to schedule an appointment at the hospital.

When he finally met with doctors at the hospital, the man was informed he had cancer and his penis would have to be removed.

It remains unclear if the man would have been able to keep his penis had the cancer been detected sooner.

The matter has now been reported to the National Board of Health and Welfare (Socialstyrelsen) under Sweden’s Lex Maria laws, the informal name used to refer to regulations governing the reporting of injuries or incidents in the Swedish health care system.
 

okfarmer

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Sandhusker said:
Yeah, but the surgery was free. You Conservatives always miss the most important parts. :lol:

Wrong verb. It WILL BE free. Initial diagnosis was in March. Re-check was 3 weeks later. So if appointment one was on March 7th or after, the recheck will be in April. Then the hospital evaluation for diagnosis was 5 months later, placing his visit around September. So since he only received the recommendation to have has tally wacked in September, and this is only December, he is likely still waiting in line for the procedure to be done.

Therefor, it WILL BE free.

:shock:
 

Steve

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the surgeury was not free.. it was paid with TAX money.. and Was is correct... ( I'm sure thhe guy knows if the surgery was done or not)[i/]
Man's penis amputated following misdiagnosis
Published: 29 Dec 10 09:10 CET | Double click on a word to get a translation
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/31130/20101229/

Share205 A Swedish man was forced to have his penis amputated after waiting more than a year to learn he had cancer.

first September 2009 for treatment

returned in March 2010 complaining

After three weeks passed ,...(April 2010?)

five months schedule an appointment at the hospital ,...(Sept 2010? one year point?)

When he finally met with doctors at the hospital, the man was informed he had cancer and his penis would have to be removed. (Oct 2010? past one year point! )

wow it only took them less then two months to wack it off and find their mistake..

if they were as slow with scheduling the operation as they were with scheduling an appointment, he might still be just complaining of an irritation..
 
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Anonymous

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i have been in foreign countries, got sick and they called for medical help at 3 am and a doctor showed up in less than 30 minutes. no charge...gave me medicine and I got well.

do not be confused...medical care in other countries is much better than ours. that is why we are ranked like 36 by WHO.
 

Faster horses

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shamy--don't you have something better to do? I realize you are
on a mission, but it is getting OLD. And I mean, OLD. You think you
have all the answers, but you have convinced no one that I know about.

Could you just GIVE IT UP? At least here.....
 
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Faster horses said:
shamy--don't you have something better to do? I realize you are
on a mission, but it is getting OLD. And I mean, OLD. You think you
have all the answers, but you have convinced no one that I know about.

Could you just GIVE IT UP? At least here.....

NO, would you give it up. I mean you are brainwashed by mass media. I give you the truth and it does not fit in with your neat little brainwashed existence.

Here are WHO current rankings of health systems around the world:


1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
 

okfarmer

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Steve, I am sure the guy does know and you are correct that it is not Free. He must have not been geriatric, so he was able to move past the death panels quickly.


shaumei said:
i have been in foreign countries, got sick and they called for medical help at 3 am and a doctor showed up in less than 30 minutes. no charge...gave me medicine and I got well.

do not be confused...medical care in other countries is much better than ours. that is why we are ranked like 36 by WHO.

You really need to ask your doctor to up your meds again. Just let him know that the hallucinations aren't going away. There is help.
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
i have been in foreign countries, got sick and they called for medical help at 3 am and a doctor showed up in less than 30 minutes. no charge...gave me medicine and I got well.

do not be confused...medical care in other countries is much better than ours. that is why we are ranked like 36 by WHO.


Do you believe everything the global elites tell you?

So let me get this straight. You want us to believe that there is a global elite that is trying to kill us all off with chemtrails etc, and then you quote those same global elite, when their rankings of Health Care suits your purpose?


You better be careful, you'll get your conspiracy theories all mixed up.



A critical component to ensuring their domination and control of a society has been control over the educational system of a country. The principal organization in this regard is UNESCO, an organization founded by Julian Huxley who also founded the Eugenics Society and the World Health Organization (WHO). The purpose of UNESCO and government controlled education is to indoctrinate/brainwash the young into adopting a particular view of history and the world in which they live in order to create a more compliant servant/worker

http://globalistagenda.org/education.htm


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Silver

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I'm pretty sure bad things happen in any system. I remember several years ago in the US it became policy to write in marker something to the effect of "amputate this leg" on the appendage to be removed because of previous mistakes.
 

okfarmer

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Human error and misdiagnoses will occur in all systems as long as humans are involved. But I believe that is a different issue than deciding how the health care industry functions.

The individual who lost their limb won a sizable suite and there are State Medical Examiners for the surgeon to answer to as well. I would assume that malpractice insurance would be a little pricey after that event.

What will an individual receive to right the wrong in a government controlled system when something is botched?
 

Silver

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okfarmer said:
Human error and misdiagnoses will occur in all systems as long as humans are involved. But I believe that is a different issue than deciding how the health care industry functions.

The individual who lost their limb won a sizable suite and there are State Medical Examiners for the surgeon to answer to as well. I would assume that malpractice insurance would be a little pricey after that event.

What will an individual receive to right the wrong in a government controlled system when something is botched?


Hmmmm.... I don't know the answer to that for sure, but I'd guess in this country there is still liability. But as you said, as long as there are humans there will be mistakes.
You are welcome to your system, I'll be glad to have ours.
 

hypocritexposer

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Silver said:
okfarmer said:
Human error and misdiagnoses will occur in all systems as long as humans are involved. But I believe that is a different issue than deciding how the health care industry functions.

The individual who lost their limb won a sizable suite and there are State Medical Examiners for the surgeon to answer to as well. I would assume that malpractice insurance would be a little pricey after that event.

What will an individual receive to right the wrong in a government controlled system when something is botched?


Hmmmm.... I don't know the answer to that for sure, but I'd guess in this country there is still liability. But as you said, as long as there are humans there will be mistakes.
You are welcome to your system, I'll be glad to have ours.


Wouldn't it be nice to have a hybrid system, where the ones that could afford to jump to the front of the line, could do so, and take the pressure off the waiting list?

It wouldn't be that bad to have the rich subsidize the rest of of us for once, instead of having them taking advantage of what us poor people pay into to?
 

Silver

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hypocritexposer said:
Silver said:
okfarmer said:
Human error and misdiagnoses will occur in all systems as long as humans are involved. But I believe that is a different issue than deciding how the health care industry functions.

The individual who lost their limb won a sizable suite and there are State Medical Examiners for the surgeon to answer to as well. I would assume that malpractice insurance would be a little pricey after that event.

What will an individual receive to right the wrong in a government controlled system when something is botched?


Hmmmm.... I don't know the answer to that for sure, but I'd guess in this country there is still liability. But as you said, as long as there are humans there will be mistakes.
You are welcome to your system, I'll be glad to have ours.


Wouldn't it be nice to have a hybrid system, where the ones that could afford to jump to the front of the line, could do so, and take the pressure off the waiting list?

It wouldn't be that bad to have the rich subsidize the rest of of us for once, instead of having them taking advantage of what us poor people pay into to?

I don't have a problem with the principles of a two tier system at all, if implemented properly. I wouldn't profess to know how to set it up fairly and equitably but I'm sure it could be done. Alberta seems to be doing things right with their MRI clinics.
 

Tam

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shaumei said:
i have been in foreign countries, got sick and they called for medical help at 3 am and a doctor showed up in less than 30 minutes. no charge...gave me medicine and I got well.

do not be confused...medical care in other countries is much better than ours. that is why we are ranked like 36 by WHO.

Hey Sham what do you say about a 88 year old woman with a broken hip laying in a city hospital on pain killers, that are playing tricks on her mind, for over 48 hours waiting for hip replacement surgery? Is that good service? :?

Or maybe a child with a broken arm being drugged with morphine for 36 hours before recieving surgery to put a plate in to fix ,her arm? Is that good service? :?

Or many a young man laying around on prescribed pain killers for two years waiting for back surgery, Is that good service? :?
How about a lady that walks with a walker because she can't get knee surgery, Is that good service?
Socialized Health looks great UNTIL YOU HAVE TO DEPEND ON IT FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE. Just asked the Premier of NS that flew to Florida for Heart surgery last Christmas verses having the surgery in Canada where he is responsible for providing healthcare to Canadian citizen which should include HIMSELF. His actions alone should tell you what he thinks of SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. I believe his explanation for leaving the system he RUNS was "My Heart MY Health MY DECISION.
And as far as no charge that is a damn joke :roll: Grow up nothing is free, SOMEBODY PAID YOUR BILL FOR YOU :roll: :x
 

Silver

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Tam I get so tired of all your anecdotal evidence. That same crap can be dug up from any system. I suggest you continue to get your medical service from your home and native land and leave us Canadians to our system. It is obviously not perfect, but to listen to you continue to run it into the ground while while living in the fantasy world that it is so much better in your country is irritating at best and infuriating at worst.
 

Tam

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Silver said:
Tam I get so tired of all your anecdotal evidence. That same crap can be dug up from any system. I suggest you continue to get your medical service from your home and native land and leave us Canadians to our system. It is obviously not perfect, but to listen to you continue to run it into the ground while while living in the fantasy world that it is so much better in your country is irritating at best and infuriating at worst.

More Anecdotal evidence,

Top doctor says system 'imploding'
August 16, 2009

Jennifer Graham

THE CANADIAN PRESS


SASKATOON–The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says Canada's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care, and she adds that physicians from across the country – who will gather in Saskatoon today for their annual meeting – recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doig told The Canadian Press


My guess is Silver is one of the Canadians Dr. Doig (PRESIDENT OF THE CMA) was talking about. :roll:

More Anecdotal evidence. :wink:

Oct 07, 2009 06:30 ETThe Fraser Institute: Canadian Health Care Failing Patients and Taxpayers; New Book Explains What's Wrong, Who Gets Hurt, and Why Nothing Changes

TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Oct. 7, 2009) - Canadian health policy is increasingly failing patients, exploiting medical providers, and is ultimately financially unsustainable in its present form, concludes a new book published by the Fraser Institute, one of Canada's leading economic think tanks.

And things are likely to get worse unless Canada adopts policy alternatives that dramatically change the economic incentives in the health system, says Dr. Brett Skinner, Fraser Institute director of bio-pharma and health policy and author of Canadian Health Policy Failures: What's wrong? Who gets hurt? Why nothing changes.

"The Canadian health care system is a textbook case of government failure in medical insurance and medical services," Skinner said.

"Our elected leaders have no political incentive to make the necessary changes. Special interest groups oppose reform because they benefit economically from the status quo, and our policy-makers lack objective information about health care options in use elsewhere, especially outside North America."

The peer-reviewed book identifies six key areas where Canadian health policy is failing: unsustainable costs, shortages of health professionals, shortages of medical technology, long waits for treatment, inefficient drug spending, and a lack of access to new medicines.

The book also provides a small sample of published media stories and reports illustrating the ways in which real people are often harmed by Canadian health policy.

"Lengthy wait times for medically necessary treatment have become a standard part of the Canadian health care system as governments ration care in an attempt to control costs. The experience of other countries shows this doesn't have to be the case," Skinner said.

The book devotes two chapters to identifying and discussing the key health and prescription drug policies in Canada that are most problematic, as well as various potential alternative policies that could provide better outcomes. In both chapters, opposing opinions are discussed and critically analyzed and compared to research that supports the arguments presented in this book.

Skinner also examines the key political factors that act as barriers to the adoption of more economically rational health care policies in Canada.

One of his key findings is that Canadian policy-makers are affected by an imbalance of information when governments have surveyed expert opinion. The information that has comprised the basis for government-commissioned health policy reports has tended to heavily favour the status quo or advocate greater state intervention in health care.

"The ideological political values of many in the academic research community tend to be opposed to the economic liberalization of health policy, and this contributes to an information deficit for policy-makers," Skinner said.

Skinner also looks at the powerful special-interest groups that actually benefit economically from the state's involvement in health care and therefore face strong incentives to favour interventionist public policies and oppose liberalization.

Other barriers to change include the electoral dynamics produced by the distribution of the tax burden and of illness. The majority of the tax burden is paid for by a minority of the population. This means most people are disproportionately insulated from the price of public health insurance programs. Therefore, the majority of voters have significantly reduced financial incentives to make cost-benefit calculations about the performance of the health system. It also means that policy-makers face fewer political risks from raising taxes to fund health care than from introducing price mechanisms that are paid by everyone.

"The system is fundamentally unjust. The public is largely unaware of problems simply because most people don't use the health care system very much," Skinner said.

"People who are seriously ill-those most directly harmed by wait times and a lack of access to medical care-make up a small percentage of the population. Politically speaking, ill people don't represent a lot of votes. How can they have a decisive influence on policy-makers about declining access and coverage under Medicare? Politicians can afford to ignore them."

But the book concludes on an optimistic note, with a discussion about the political feasibility of achieving economically liberal health policy reform in Canada.

"The health reform debate in the United States has engaged both Americans and Canadians. Unfortunately, the discussion is dominated by many myths about government involvement in health care markets and the comparative structure and performance of the U.S. and Canadian health care systems. This book directly challenges these myths and provides objective, evidence-based answers to some of the most important questions about health care policy," Skinner said.

"Canadians should be outraged by the serious problems plaguing our health care system and the government policies that are to blame. Even worse, obvious solutions are ignored for purely political reasons. Informed voters can make a difference. Discovering what's wrong, who gets hurt, and why nothing changes is the first step toward the liberalization of health policy in Canada."
Canadian Health Policy Failures: What's wrong? Who gets hurt? Why nothing changes can be downloaded as a free PDF or purchased in print at www.fraserinstitute.org.


Informed voters can make a difference, BUT those that post comments like this "I suggest you continue to get your medical service from your home and native land and leave us Canadians to our system." I DOUBT WILL DO ANYTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEMS. :roll:
 
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Silver said:
Tam I get so tired of all your anecdotal evidence. That same crap can be dug up from any system. I suggest you continue to get your medical service from your home and native land and leave us Canadians to our system. It is obviously not perfect, but to listen to you continue to run it into the ground while while living in the fantasy world that it is so much better in your country is irritating at best and infuriating at worst.

what is the most amazing thing about the americans that are against govt health care system is how they think it will cost anything. it will not...

you see we have a fiat money system. they just print the money...we are already broke...so do not worry about that.
 

Silver

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Tam, you continue to show your ignorance on this subject on a regular basis and it's quite pathetic really.
As I said, anecdotal evidence to support any side of an argument is very easy to come up with. I could tell you about how my father in law walked into the hospital in Nanaimo on thursday for catarat surgery and the doctors noticed right away he didn't look well.... in ten minutes he was in a bed and they started putting the first of 4 pints of blood in him that he had apparently lost due to a bleeding ulcer. My next door neighbour went into town last night because his stint wasn't working properly.... fixed in minutes. Last week my dad woke up with a terrible eye infection. Made the trip to town, was immediatly diagnosed with something I can't pronounce (that could have killed him in less than 2 days by going straight to the brain), was treated, and by morning was remarkebly better and today you can't tell anything was wrong with him.
But of course this is anecdotal, and while this will mean nothing to you you expect your sad stories to cause us to start some sort of health care revolution and discard our universal health care for something like yours. You seem to think yours is so perfect.... why don't you now take the time to dig up some of your sad anecdotal evidence on the downfalls of your precious system? Why don't you try to fix IT?
 
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