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hypocritexposer

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Andriy Volodymyrovych Parubiy (Ukrainian: Андрій Володимирович Парубій) is a Ukrainian politician[2] and the Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine, appointed after leading the anti-government riots in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution.[3] His deputy is Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh.[4]
Biography

In the years leading up to the Ukrainian independence in 1991 Parubiy was an active activist for this independence, being arrested for holding an illegal rally in 1988.[2] In 1991 he founded the neo-Nazi[5] Social-National Party of Ukraine together with Oleh Tyahnybok.[2] Parubiy co-led the Orange Revolution in 2004.[2][6] In the 2007 parliamentary elections he was elected into the Ukrainian parliament on an Our Ukraine–People's Self-Defense Bloc ticket.[2] He then became a member of the deputy group that would later become For Ukraine!.[2] Parubiy stayed with Our Ukraine and became a member of its Political Council.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy


hypocritexposer said:
In this video, you will see Dmitro Yarosh promote the Right Sector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Inu_-0dcSU

If you were in oppostition to him, would you speak out?

The Russian position is also somewhat bolstered by the fact that Svoboda holds key posts in the interim government in Kiev, including that of deputy prime minister. Andriy Parubiy, the commander of the "Maidan self-defense," has been appointed the head of the National Security and Defense Council, and the leader of the Right Sector ultras, Dmitro Yarosh, is expected to become his deputy chairman. Svoboda controls the prosecutor general office and the ministries of ecology and agriculture.

Steve said:
I just disproved that crap in another thread..

it is a complete falsehood..

reposting the same Russian propaganda over and over again doesn't make it true..


I am starting to believe you are a commie

Steve said:
twist it any way you want.. but the fact is your posting lies.. and propaganda from the Russian state media..




I commented on the quote you posted.. I don't give a crap about the youtube videos..

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69240
 

Steve

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if you look back at the thread .. I already address this crap..

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69243



http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69240
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
if you look back at the thread .. I already address this crap..

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69243



http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69240

I posted the thread, and you clearly are referring to the quote. You have mentioned it a couple of times.

Is the quote a "falsehood" and "Russian propaganda"?
 

Steve

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how many times do I have to go over this..

it is FALSE


go back and read,... I answer it in several threads..

Svoboda only has one seat.

and none of these people are current members..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy
Andriy Parubiy
In 2012 he was re-elected into parliament on the party list of "Fatherland



Dmitro Yarosh,

http://www.policymic.com/articles/84085/was-this-handsome-pro-russian-protester-planted-by-putin

Quote:
On Saturday, Russian media emphasized the news that Dmitry Yarosh (pictured above), a Ukrainian far-right leader, had supposedly appealed to Islamist terrorists in Chechnya for assistance in Ukraine. Reporters say the appeal came from Right Sector's page on Vkontakte, a social media website akin to Facebook, and was made to Doka Umarov, Russia's most wanted terrorist.

But according to Right Sector, their website was hacked and the Umarov appeal is a fake: “Our webpage was blocked for half an hour. Now our webpage does not contain that news [about Umarov]. The genuine news of the group is that which is currently published,” the press secretary emphasized. The group insists it has not been in contact with terrorists.

Despite the Russian government's best efforts, the international media has barely picked up on the Umarov story. In fact, while the Guardian briefly referenced a Russia Today article about Umarov in their live coverage,they also noted the screengrab evidence provided by the Russian media was "unconvincing."

I recently spoke to Anton Shekhovstov, an expert on radical right-wing parties in Europe, who told me that he believed the Vkontakte hack was the work of Russians: "If Yarosh wanted to contact Doku Umarov," I asked, "why would he do it publicly?”

“Their account on the Russian VK (Vkontakte) social networking page has been hacked, and someone has posted that fake message to Umarov,” he replied.

every little accusation you made I have shown it is false..

what is your point?

what small little fact is eluding you?
 

hypocritexposer

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The question is, what small/big fact is alluding you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Yarosh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy#cite_note-4
 

Steve

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what ever. been over all that already.. . you are wasting my time ..

if you have a point or a question.. fine.. I don't play games.. and I sure as hell am not here to entertain you..
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
Svoboda only has one seat.



every little accusation you made I have shown it is false..

what is your point?

what small little fact is eluding you?

maybe one seat in the old government and some very high positions in the new...it pays to overthrow the government, I guess.


Party leader Oleh Tyahnybok has a history of making anti-Semitic comments and has said that Ukraine is controlled by a “Muscovite-Jewish mafia”. Svoboda members have also taken the posts of ecology minister, agriculture minister and prosecutor general.

Overseeing Ukraine’s armed forces is the new secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy, who helped found the Social-National Party of Ukraine, the openly neo-fascist precursor to Svoboda.

His deputy is Dmytro Yarosh, another Euromaidan organiser who leads the far-right paramilitary group Right Sector.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-crimea-myth-reality/17855
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
whatever.. when you find some facts.. give me a call.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Look at the post just above your last one, for the name you haven't researched Steve. You refused to research anything I posted, it seems, and then criticized me for posting lies etc.
 

hypocritexposer

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you won't get an answer. since some on here haven chosen to use personal information as tools in their personal attacks, I'll continue to keep personal information to myself

After the last few days, I'm pretty sure you would drag it up at a later date, to use in a critical manner.

You're most likely digging for information, to try to backup your conspiracy theory that I am a Russian loving commie, Ukrainian and American hating Canadian.

sorry, I'm not playing.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
you won't get an answer. since some on here haven chosen to use personal information as tools in their personal attacks, I'll continue to keep personal information to myself

After the last few days, I'm pretty sure you would drag it up at a later date, to use in a critical manner.

You're most likely digging for information, to try to backup your conspiracy theory that I am a Russian loving commie, Ukrainian and American hating Canadian.

sorry, I'm not playing.

thought so..

The-Liberal-Blogger.jpg
 

hypocritexposer

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Steve said:
hypocritexposer said:
you won't get an answer. since some on here haven chosen to use personal information as tools in their personal attacks, I'll continue to keep personal information to myself

After the last few days, I'm pretty sure you would drag it up at a later date, to use in a critical manner.

You're most likely digging for information, to try to backup your conspiracy theory that I am a Russian loving commie, Ukrainian and American hating Canadian.

sorry, I'm not playing.

thought so..

The-Liberal-Blogger.jpg


yep you think so...so you have now discredited me on the topic of Ukraine and obama's birth story...and so on and so on.

You do realize what you are accomplishing, don't you?
 

littlejoe

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hypocritexposer said:
Steve said:
hypocritexposer said:
you won't get an answer. since some on here haven chosen to use personal information as tools in their personal attacks, I'll continue to keep personal information to myself

After the last few days, I'm pretty sure you would drag it up at a later date, to use in a critical manner.

You're most likely digging for information, to try to backup your conspiracy theory that I am a Russian loving commie, Ukrainian and American hating Canadian.

sorry, I'm not playing.

thought so..

The-Liberal-Blogger.jpg


yep you think so...so you have now discredited me on the topic of Ukraine and obama's birth story...and so on and so on.

You do realize what you are accomplishing, don't you?

er.....showing that you're a dope, hippo? Say---did the nice lady tell ya' I dropped in to chat with you? no worries----I'll be back.
 

Steve

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yep you think so...so you have now discredited me on the topic of Ukraine and obama's birth story...and so on and so on.

You do realize what you are accomplishing, don't you?


I fully realize what I was doing.. Telling the Truth..and presenting facts.



it was your tactics and sarcasm that drug this out for 5 days now..
not mine.


signed the bigot

you know the guy who defended people he couldn't stand in an effort to defend the entire people

big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
 

hypocritexposer

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my facts were just as solid as yours, my opinion of of any "group" was assumed, the attacks were meant to silence...

"the neo-nazi leader of the party says it is his goal to change the perception of the group"

bold: Fact, based on past history
Underlined: fact that he did state that

It is an opinion, trust issue, whether he is to be believed or not.

Do I believe him that the perception needs to change, yes I do. It is he that believes the "group" needs to change their perception, so he realizes there is an issue. Why?

Are his intentions to mask the issue, or to honestly change?


Steve: "If you don't believe what he says, you are not presenting facts, you're lying and unAmerican"

I'm sorry Steve, but for now, call me bigoted, if I do not trust every word spoken by a proven neo-nazi.

the quickest, and most trustworthy way to change the perception of the group, would be to expel the leader and all those others that are following him, because of his past actions/words.

Remember the question I asked about the Tea Party?

edited to clarify a little...
 

Steve

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the quickest, and most trustworthy way to change the perception of the group, would be to expel the leader and all those others that are following him, because of his past actions/words.

Iraq is a perfect example of what you want to say is the best path..


they pushed aside the old military and forced the Ba'ath Party out

it turned out to be a miserable failure

only when we brought them back in to the mainstream did it start turning..

Sure it was quick.. and the most trustworthy but it was a miserable failure
 

hypocritexposer

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Your example is pertinent, but let's stick with the Ukraine situation...

The perfect example for what I am saying is...for the leader of Svoboda to step down, or for moderate members to oust him, given his past history, would show true intentions.

If the party's intentions are to truly to change the perception of themselves, then rid yourselves of the source of that perception.

If your true intentions are to change the party perception...you don't overthrow the corrupt government and then as a first act of government pass a law that validates past perceptions (in this instance, I am speaking of the ultra nationalist perception and the outlawing of the Russian language in Crimea)

And to their credit, they suspended it, but the message was sent and received.

In the same sense...the Leader of the "Regions", that they overthrew, was a corrupt individual, the whole party was not.. But what they did was to minimalize the whole party and stack the government, with their own "chosen ones", that have a given perception.

The leader of Svoboda is now in charge of Defense...his past hatred worries me, in that, things could escalate in a hurry. And his propensity for the same corruption of the past President, to reach his goals.

Have you ever looked at the Svoboda party platform? sounds all "nicey nice", but given the history, point of view, of their leader, it takes on a whole new meaning.

Like the "song/manifest" we discussed, or the slogan "freedom". Leaders will gain power by using "useful idiots", through their use rhetoric, rainbows and unicorns.

Does that make the group evil, NO, but you better damn well be aware of it...

edited; a couple of typos and mistaken words and an omission
 
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