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Some takes from the Election

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Anonymous

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Here are some of our takeways, in no particular order.

•It's not just the economy, stupid. It's the whole package
•Abandoning large constitutencies, like women, Latinos, and young voters is not a winning formula
•The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans
•The candidate matters: on paper Rick Perry and Mitt Romney were great, but the real men weren't
•Nominating a sneering plutocrat who likes firing people and writes off half the country is not a wise move
•If you can't release your tax returns because they are full of poison, don't run for President
•There aren't enough billionaires to buy the election
•Don't talk about gay marriage unless you are supporting it
•And above all, don't talk about rape except maybe if you are proposing to castrate rapists

I'm not sure I agree with the fact of more Dems than Repubs (at this time)...

I think there is a bigger (about 1/3 of voters) that are Independent and will go either way... And I think this election again shows the huge amount of damage GW and his Repub Congress did to kill the trust of the Republican name.... Such severe damage that it will take some time for the Repub party to rebuild that trust... But as the party runs more and more minorities, women, young and new voters out-- the Dem party could soon easily outpass both Repubs and Independents..

The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Here are some of our takeways, in no particular order.

•It's not just the economy, stupid. It's the whole package
•Abandoning large constitutencies, like women, Latinos, and young voters is not a winning formula
•The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans
•The candidate matters: on paper Rick Perry and Mitt Romney were great, but the real men weren't
•Nominating a sneering plutocrat who likes firing people and writes off half the country is not a wise move
•If you can't release your tax returns because they are full of poison, don't run for President
•There aren't enough billionaires to buy the election
•Don't talk about gay marriage unless you are supporting it
•And above all, don't talk about rape except maybe if you are proposing to castrate rapists

I'm not sure I agree with the fact of more Dems than Repubs (at this time)...

I think there is a bigger (about 1/3 of voters) that are Independent and will go either way... And I think this election again shows the huge amount of damage GW and his Repub Congress did to kill the trust of the Republican name.... Such severe damage that it will take some time for the Repub party to rebuild that trust... But as the party runs more and more minorities, women, young and new voters out-- the Dem party could soon easily outpass both Repubs and Independents..

The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans

Just as with your support of Obama in 2008, you don't have a clue you old fool. The pubs could have run George Washington himself and still would have lost this election.

The dynamics have changed OT, FOREVER. The non-producers, those who want, expect, and demand their "free stuff", now outnumber sane persons who know there's no such thing as a free lunch.

The country officially passed the tipping point last night. It's over. Accept that fact.
 

hopalong

Well-known member
LORD help us if that is what you get out of life.....how much you gonna give your graandkids to help with the national debt :roll:
 

Mike

Well-known member
It's a lot more simple than some can see. (maybe they need cataract surgery)

But when you see 90-95% of the most non-productive segment in society that fills prisons with inmates, plus asks that the failed "Great Society" redistribute even more to them, you vote the opposite way.

Eventually they will learn to grab the bootstraps and man up. That's how you earn respect! The way it's going, they are becoming more dependent.
 

Steve

Well-known member
yep.. care to explain this one OT?

Mia Love Loses Utah Congressional Race

Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) survived a tough challenge from Saratoga Springs Mayor Mia Love (R),

Matheson, no stranger to tough elections, is a six-term Democrat in a largely Republican district that includes Salt Lake City.

Love, a Mormon of Haitian descent, currently serves as mayor of Utah's Saratoga Springs. She was considered a rising star in the Republican Party, and spoke at the Republican National Convention in August. At one point, she rose to a double-digit lead in polls in one of the nation's most hotly contested races.

just being a minority young or a woman is still not enough... she had all the traits the liberals say we as conservative need to attract... yet she lost to an old white entrenched liberal politician..
 

Larrry

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It is only one criteria for the left when picking a candidate. Liberalism, all else gets thrown under the bus.
 

Larrry

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It is no secret that President Obama’s and green-energy supporters’ (from both parties) foray into venture capitalism has not gone well. But the extent of its failure has been largely ignored by the press. Sure, single instances garner attention as they happen, but they ignore past failures in order to make it seem like a rare case.

The truth is that the problem is widespread. The government’s picking winners and losers in the energy market has cost taxpayers billions of dollars, and the rate of failure, cronyism, and corruption at the companies receiving the subsidies is substantial. The fact that some companies are not under financial duress does not make the policy a success. It simply means that our taxpayer dollars subsidized companies that would’ve found the financial support in the private market.

So far, 36 companies that have received federal support from taxpayers have either gone bankrupt or are laying off workers and are heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration’s Department of Energy. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($24 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($69 million)*
AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million)
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.5 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million)
Fisker Automotive ($528 million)
Abound Solar ($374 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million)
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Schneider Electric ($86 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)*
UniSolar ($100 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($120 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($10 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

The problem begins with the issue of government picking winners and losers in the first place. Venture capitalist firms exist for this very reason, and they choose what to invest in by looking at companies’ business models and deciding if they are worthy. When the government plays venture capitalist, it tends to reward companies that are connected to the policymakers themselves or because it sounds nice to “invest” in green energy.

The 2009 stimulus set aside $80 billion to subsidize politically preferred energy projects. Since that time, 1,900 investigations have been opened to look into stimulus waste, fraud, and abuse (although not all are linked to the green-energy funds), and nearly 600 convictions have been made. Of that $80 billion in clean energy loans, grants, and tax credits, at least 10 percent has gone to companies that have since either gone bankrupt or are circling the drain.


http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer...

yep he's been successful....too bad it was at failing.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Larry, don't you know a bunch of "shovel-ready" projects when you see 'em?.......tax payer shovels ready to dig their graves. :x
 

Larrry

Well-known member
Well they have already dug the hole.

Do you notice they are trying to analyze the election, when they should be analyzing what to do to get this country turned around. The monkey is squarely on their back, it is not Bush's or Romneys..they own it. Still no plan from them
 

gmacbeef

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Oldtimer said:
Here are some of our takeways, in no particular order.

•It's not just the economy, stupid. It's the whole package
•Abandoning large constitutencies, like women, Latinos, and young voters is not a winning formula
•The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans
•The candidate matters: on paper Rick Perry and Mitt Romney were great, but the real men weren't
•Nominating a sneering plutocrat who likes firing people and writes off half the country is not a wise move
•If you can't release your tax returns because they are full of poison, don't run for President
•There aren't enough billionaires to buy the election
•Don't talk about gay marriage unless you are supporting it
•And above all, don't talk about rape except maybe if you are proposing to castrate rapists

I'm not sure I agree with the fact of more Dems than Repubs (at this time)...

I think there is a bigger (about 1/3 of voters) that are Independent and will go either way... And I think this election again shows the huge amount of damage GW and his Repub Congress did to kill the trust of the Republican name.... Such severe damage that it will take some time for the Repub party to rebuild that trust... But as the party runs more and more minorities, women, young and new voters out-- the Dem party could soon easily outpass both Repubs and Independents..

The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans

Your democratic roots run deep. That you still blame Bush,after all the facts that have proven that the downturn began AFTER the DEMOCRATS took control of the house & senate in 2007 . That is the biggest problem the Republican party had, They did not show the proof to America.
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
I say what's it matter who is responsible for the downturn. Let's put it squarely on George Bush's shoulders, okay.

Damn, that was what, 2007, 2008?

It's 2102....4 full years later.....a different president.....$16 TRILLION in debt, a promise that if we only spent a bazillion $ on stimulus that the unemployment would not go above 8%.

The unemployment rate exceeded 10% and has only recently fallen below 8%. And there's no end in sight.

Housing prices down, energy prices up, the dollar worth less every day.

It's a disaster and we're arguing about placement of the deck chairs on the Titanic.
 

Steve

Well-known member
Larrry said:
It is only one criteria for the left when picking a candidate. Liberalism, all else gets thrown under the bus.

so Mia Love can be an immigrant, a woman, Haitian, black, belong to a cult, but that is all trumped by liberal in their minds?
 
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gmacbeef said:
Oldtimer said:
Here are some of our takeways, in no particular order.

•It's not just the economy, stupid. It's the whole package
•Abandoning large constitutencies, like women, Latinos, and young voters is not a winning formula
•The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans
•The candidate matters: on paper Rick Perry and Mitt Romney were great, but the real men weren't
•Nominating a sneering plutocrat who likes firing people and writes off half the country is not a wise move
•If you can't release your tax returns because they are full of poison, don't run for President
•There aren't enough billionaires to buy the election
•Don't talk about gay marriage unless you are supporting it
•And above all, don't talk about rape except maybe if you are proposing to castrate rapists

I'm not sure I agree with the fact of more Dems than Repubs (at this time)...

I think there is a bigger (about 1/3 of voters) that are Independent and will go either way... And I think this election again shows the huge amount of damage GW and his Repub Congress did to kill the trust of the Republican name.... Such severe damage that it will take some time for the Repub party to rebuild that trust... But as the party runs more and more minorities, women, young and new voters out-- the Dem party could soon easily outpass both Repubs and Independents..

The partisan identification in 2008 was not a freak accident. There are more Democrats than Republicans

Your democratic roots run deep. That you still blame Bush,after all the facts that have proven that the downturn began AFTER the DEMOCRATS took control of the house & senate in 2007 . That is the biggest problem the Republican party had, They did not show the proof to America.

Well then beefboy-- you better hire me for your financial investing advice-- because I began predicting GW- and his rubber stamp Congress would bankrupt the country in 2005...

For Years : I TOLD YOU SO!!

And later I told you that Americans across the country saw who totally lied to them and screwed the whole country up-- Old GW....

And only as terrible a President as he was- with such a rubberstamp congress could ever get a candidate like Obama elected-- not just once but now TWICE.....

NO- thankfully (but I'm afraid maybe too late) Republicans are realizing to what damage GW did- and what trying to be Bible thumping preachers (many of which are hypocrits in real life)-- and running on a holier than thou social issue is doing to them...

They need to become the Repubs of old- quit being world policemen- quit nationbuilding- quit being the moral policemen- all of which requires enarging government and bureacracy....
 

Steve

Well-known member
if Obama was the captain of the titanic.. it would be blamed on a dang iceberg that was caused by global warming.. and the ship hitting it caused by greedy capitalists.. and all you conservatives can sit in the back of the last life boat..



It's a disaster and we're arguing about placement of the deck chairs on the Titanic.

yes but no matter how bad the liberals screw it up.. they somehow get away with blaming it on others..
 

Faster horses

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You say this, OT: all of which requires enarging government and bureacracy....

Yet Obama has enlarged government and bureacracy more than any other president.

And tell me this, if Obama is such a good president, why did the stock
market fall over 300 points today?
 

Bootheel

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Well then beefboy-- you better hire me for your financial investing advice-- because I began predicting GW- and his rubber stamp Congress would bankrupt the country in 2005...

For Years : I TOLD YOU SO!!

And later I told you that Americans across the country saw who totally lied to them and screwed the whole country up-- Old GW....

And only as terrible a President as he was- with such a rubberstamp congress could ever get a candidate like Obama elected-- not just once but now TWICE.....

NO- thankfully (but I'm afraid maybe too late) Republicans are realizing to what damage GW did- and what trying to be Bible thumping preachers (many of which are hypocrits in real life)-- and running on a holier than thou social issue is doing to them...

They need to become the Repubs of old- quit being world policemen- quit nationbuilding- quit being the moral policemen- all of which requires enarging government and bureacracy....


I think I may actually agree with you Oldtimer. I may have a fever, but agree none the less. Obama is Bush's fault, and Bush was Al Gore's fault, and Al Gore was was Clinton's fault who was Ross Perot's fault, who was Bush's fault. Two Bush's surely make it their fault except they were because of Reagan who was Carter's fault. I think it may just be Carter who is to blame in all this.


Cause and effect can get a bit complicated sometimes.
 

Mike

Well-known member
OT wrote:
Well then beefboy-- you better hire me for your financial investing advice-- because I began predicting GW- and his rubber stamp Congress would bankrupt the country in 2005...

For Years : I TOLD YOU SO!!

And later I told you that Americans across the country saw who totally lied to them and screwed the whole country up-- Old GW....

You're a liar. You and every other GW Bush hater blew with the winds of the media. When they started coming down on him about the weapons of mass destruction, you got on the hating bandwagon like the rest of the Dems.

You're nothing but a blowhard puppet.
 
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Anonymous

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What Can the Republicans Do To Recover?

Pundits of all stripes are starting to announce how to fix what ails the Republican Party. Here is a small sample of their advice.

•Michael Gerson: Stop dissing blacks, Latinos, women, and young people and address their needs
•Charles Krauthammer: Support amnesty for illegal aliens and suddenly all Latinos will be Republicans
•Roger Cohen: Get the government out of the bedroom with respect to abortion, contraception, and gay marriage
•Erick Erickson: Run a conservative in 2016, improve the GOTV operation, and ignore Latinos for the next 15 years
•Rich Lowry: Tell everyone how much the Republicans like the middle class
•Mona Charen: Stop talking about deporting illegal aliens
•Mario Loyola: Keep the Republican platform, just find a much younger and friendlier candidate to sell it
•Marc Ambinder: Forget the tactics stuff, the party has to change its positions on major issues
•Rex Nutting: Stop talking about social issues, embrace diversity, dump Grover, and accept that Obama won
•Sommer Mathis: Stop focusing on rural voters and have policies that appeal to people in cities
 

Whitewing

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
What Can the Republicans Do To Recover?

Pundits of all stripes are starting to announce how to fix what ails the Republican Party. Here is a small sample of their advice.

•Michael Gerson: Stop dissing blacks, Latinos, women, and young people and address their needs
•Charles Krauthammer: Support amnesty for illegal aliens and suddenly all Latinos will be Republicans
•Roger Cohen: Get the government out of the bedroom with respect to abortion, contraception, and gay marriage
•Erick Erickson: Run a conservative in 2016, improve the GOTV operation, and ignore Latinos for the next 15 years
•Rich Lowry: Tell everyone how much the Republicans like the middle class
•Mona Charen: Stop talking about deporting illegal aliens
•Mario Loyola: Keep the Republican platform, just find a much younger and friendlier candidate to sell it
•Marc Ambinder: Forget the tactics stuff, the party has to change its positions on major issues
•Rex Nutting: Stop talking about social issues, embrace diversity, dump Grover, and accept that Obama won
•Sommer Mathis: Stop focusing on rural voters and have policies that appeal to people in cities

Here's my suggestion for pubs to win elections.

Pander to every group they can find, promise the moon, lie through their teeth without breaking a smile, promise to punish the successful, and open the country's gates to unlimited numbers of those who wish to suckle off the government teat but will also vote for them.

In other words, become donks.
 
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