For those of you who know the site, it's inhabited by some of the most rabid liberals known to man. And despite the left's claim that they have a "big tent", try posting something favorable about the "right" and see how long you last.
Anyway, I knew there'd be some interesting reading re the latest Obama regime's power grab and trampling of American's constitutional rights. I was right. Here are a few comments:
Apparently this is the breaking point...........Where you have to decide if you put Country and Constitution ahead of Party and Politics.
The release of the drone memo shows that the Obama administration is taking upon itself the same sort of unConstitutional power that Bush grabbed for when he enacted the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war and endorsed torture.
The vast majority of Democrats and liberals righteously damned Bushboy for his unConstitutional power grab. But now, when Obama is making the same sort of unConstitutional power grab with his policy of extrajudicial killing, we are starting to see a rift open and widen.
Many, most are outraged at this power grab, just as they were when Bushboy made his powergrab. These people are putting Country and Constitution above Party and Politics. But it amazes me how some folks, folks who damned Bushboy's power grab, are now putting Party and Politics above Country and Constitution, condoning this unConstitutional power grab by the Obama administration.
So this is the breaking point, the point where we find out whose moral compass is functioning, the point where we find out who puts Country and Constitution ahead of Party and Politics. For those who choose the former, I congratulate you. For those who choose the latter, well, at the very least I pity you. It is hard to go through life without a moral compass, equally hard to be taken seriously since that is the case.
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I see your point, but they are also targeting people who have not "taken up arms".
People far from any battlefield. Actually they claim the whole world, including inside the US as their battlefield. And the war is expected to last for ever. So it's not like a regular war. The effect of all this is that the government now claims the authority to kill any person, any time, any where, US national or otherwise, based on mere suspicion of "supporting" terrorist groups. "Supporting" can be defined any way the government likes. So it includes "signature strikes", where they kill people based on looking at certain websites or talking to certain people on the phone. It's guilt by association. Not only can they kill, they could also choose to detain a suspect indefinitely without charges. And it's not limited to just Pakistan and Yemen, it also applies in the US.
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US Senator Wyden:
“As I and ten other senators told the President yesterday, if individual Americans choose to take up arms against the United States, there will clearly be some circumstances in which the President has the authority to use lethal force against those Americans, just as President Lincoln had the authority to use force against the Confederate Army during the Civil War. At the same time, it is vitally important for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets this authority, so that Congress and the public can decide whether the President’s power to deliberately kill American citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them.
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Amazing isn't it. Today we're discussing the legalities of the American government killing its own citizens without trial.
Anyway, I knew there'd be some interesting reading re the latest Obama regime's power grab and trampling of American's constitutional rights. I was right. Here are a few comments:
Apparently this is the breaking point...........Where you have to decide if you put Country and Constitution ahead of Party and Politics.
The release of the drone memo shows that the Obama administration is taking upon itself the same sort of unConstitutional power that Bush grabbed for when he enacted the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war and endorsed torture.
The vast majority of Democrats and liberals righteously damned Bushboy for his unConstitutional power grab. But now, when Obama is making the same sort of unConstitutional power grab with his policy of extrajudicial killing, we are starting to see a rift open and widen.
Many, most are outraged at this power grab, just as they were when Bushboy made his powergrab. These people are putting Country and Constitution above Party and Politics. But it amazes me how some folks, folks who damned Bushboy's power grab, are now putting Party and Politics above Country and Constitution, condoning this unConstitutional power grab by the Obama administration.
So this is the breaking point, the point where we find out whose moral compass is functioning, the point where we find out who puts Country and Constitution ahead of Party and Politics. For those who choose the former, I congratulate you. For those who choose the latter, well, at the very least I pity you. It is hard to go through life without a moral compass, equally hard to be taken seriously since that is the case.
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I see your point, but they are also targeting people who have not "taken up arms".
People far from any battlefield. Actually they claim the whole world, including inside the US as their battlefield. And the war is expected to last for ever. So it's not like a regular war. The effect of all this is that the government now claims the authority to kill any person, any time, any where, US national or otherwise, based on mere suspicion of "supporting" terrorist groups. "Supporting" can be defined any way the government likes. So it includes "signature strikes", where they kill people based on looking at certain websites or talking to certain people on the phone. It's guilt by association. Not only can they kill, they could also choose to detain a suspect indefinitely without charges. And it's not limited to just Pakistan and Yemen, it also applies in the US.
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US Senator Wyden:
“As I and ten other senators told the President yesterday, if individual Americans choose to take up arms against the United States, there will clearly be some circumstances in which the President has the authority to use lethal force against those Americans, just as President Lincoln had the authority to use force against the Confederate Army during the Civil War. At the same time, it is vitally important for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets this authority, so that Congress and the public can decide whether the President’s power to deliberately kill American citizens is subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them.
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Amazing isn't it. Today we're discussing the legalities of the American government killing its own citizens without trial.