CattleArmy said:
Faster horses said:
CattleArmy, "It's not wrong to be gay."
Does that mean is it RIGHT to be gay?
You're over your head on this one CattleArmy.
It's not wrong to be gay. If it were so terribly wrong they would not have been born with the urges. Who created gay people like that then?
I think you will have immense difficulty suppling evidence that anyone is "born with the urges", because there is no scientific or medical evidence to support that "theory". It is one that was fabricated to suit a political agenda.
You would have been interested to sit in a lecture I attended last week. It was the toughest class I have ever had to sit through. But it gave me a much better view of this horrific disorder.
The speaker was a man who has suffered from same gender attraction. He said that what precipitated his behavior was reading pornographic material and eventually led to homosexual actions.
His earliest recollections of his "urges" came at the time when he was in his early teens, a time when there can be severe uncertainty and distortions in one's sexual identity. He said that the influences one encounters and the subsequent choices one makes during that timeframe determines one's gender attraction.
This is a married man with children. He came to some concerned people with his shamefilled story and with their non-judgmental help and support, has broken what he said is one of the most powerful addictions one can encounter.
Today, he has chosen to leave that lifestyle behind and finds his wife satisfying in a way she never was before. But he said that he must not allow any of the past triggers into his life, or he could be drawn into that sickening pattern again. He admits to be vulnerable to the weakness the he developed through a series of very bad choices.
We all have our weaknesses. For some it is alcoholism. One of mine is a depressive nature. Another is angry rage. It is only as I freely own and admit my weaknesses to others that I can find help in overcoming them.
Well, I know that if I feed the weaknesses that I have (not of the same nature as his, thank God) they will take over in my life. So I believe his story without reservation.
It is interesting that the Apostle Paul lists homosexuality alongside a lot of other sins that will keep people from enjoying eternal life. Sins like greed, envy, ADULTERY . . ., sins that many Christian folks accept a lot more readily than homosexuality.
I guess it might be because it is a lot easier to put a good face on sins like greed - you can just say that someone is very ambitious, rather than greedy.
And rather than saying that someone is envious, you could call it "aspiration"!
It is sad that the church has singled out one sin over many others that are listed, and scapegoated it. We snicker off whatever other immorality is listed, but really nail homosexuality.
I believe that as long as we do not view ALL kinds of sin as despicable to God, we are like the Pharisees who brought to Jesus the woman caught in the act of adultery. (By the way, where was the man who was committing adultry with her?)
Jesus said that the person among them who was without sin could start the legally required stoning of the adulterer(ress).
So, who of us can throw the first stone?