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Someone Wants Money.....You Guess Their Color

badaxemoo

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Mike said:
badaxemoo said:
Mike said:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-40

Good.

I hope they get it.

And I hope you have to pay for it. ALL of it.

Unfortunately, we'd all have to pay for it.

The slave owners are all dead. True justice would have involved stripping them of their land in 1865, but we missed that opportunity.
 

don

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my guess would be that whatever comes out of this the cost will be miniscule compared to the social and financial costs of the whole slavery debacle.
 

Lonecowboy

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Does this mean about 140-150 years from now our ancestors might get some compensation because of all the libertys & freedoms our government is trying to take away from us now??
 

Mike

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Black slave descendants today should be on their knees everyday thanking their God that their ancestors were brought over here.


Then again they could be in Darfur or Zimbabwe and caught up in those catastrophies that result in sometimes millions being murdered.

In some parts of Africa today, life expectancies are below 35 years.
In Sierra Leone, the country with the worst under-five mortality rate in the world, 262 out of every 1,000 children die before their fifth birthday.

The rate for industrialised nations is just six deaths per 1,000 live births.
 

badaxemoo

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Mike said:
Black slave descendants today should be on their knees everyday thanking their God that their ancestors were brought over here.

That doesn't mean that the crimes against humanity that were committed against their ancestors don't deserve some kind of compensation. And it certainly doesn't erase the long history of government-sanctioned discrimination that was born of slavery and that continued right up into the 1960s.

While there are obviously a number of factors that cause instability in West Africa today, you can't discount the impact that colonialism and the slave trade continue to have on the region.
 

Yanuck

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don said:
my guess would be that whatever comes out of this the cost will be miniscule compared to the social and financial costs of the whole slavery debacle.

so Don, how do you decide who gets paid and who is to pay? 'cause I can guarantee, when my Irish ggg-grandfather got off the boat in 1849, he didn't have a whole lot more than the clothes on his back let alone was a slave owner and neither were any of his descendants, so should I have to pay just because I'm an American?
 

Mike

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That doesn't mean that the crimes against humanity that were committed against their ancestors don't deserve some kind of compensation.

Yes it does. When you start giving to one group who feels slighted, naturally others will get on board too. Where will it stop?

We already have affirmative action in place that gives advantages to those who were discriminated against. Just policing this measure costs multi-millions per year....................

Cash reparations would extremely hard to reconcile. Who would get it?
EVERY black, or just the descendants of slaves. How would they know who is, and who is not a slave descendant?

Too many intangibles and it won't work. Period.
 

badaxemoo

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Yanuck said:
so Don, how do you decide who gets paid and who is to pay? 'cause I can guarantee, when my Irish ggg-grandfather got off the boat in 1849, he didn't have a whole lot more than the clothes on his back let alone was a slave owner and neither were any of his descendants, so should I have to pay just because I'm an American?

The federal government would have to pay. I don't feel personally responsible for the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, but I think the government did the right thing by apologizing and offering some compensation a few years ago.

Of course, the slavery question is much larger and more complicated. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the plans would not offer payments to individuals, but would require the government to make investments that would benefit the descendants of slaves.
 

skeege

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badaxemoo said:
Yanuck said:
so Don, how do you decide who gets paid and who is to pay? 'cause I can guarantee, when my Irish ggg-grandfather got off the boat in 1849, he didn't have a whole lot more than the clothes on his back let alone was a slave owner and neither were any of his descendants, so should I have to pay just because I'm an American?

The federal government would have to pay. I don't feel personally responsible for the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, but I think the government did the right thing by apologizing and offering some compensation a few years ago.

Of course, the slavery question is much larger and more complicated. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the plans would not offer payments to individuals, but would require the government to make investments that would benefit the descendants of slaves.

And where would the government get the funds for this, other than from those of us who are currently working and/or purchasing items every day?
 

Steve

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welfare has hurt the poor (including blacks) more then slavery ever could..

I've seen many successful blacks who are descendant from slaves..

but I've haven't seen to many successful welfare families.. nor their descendants...
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Yanuck said:
so Don, how do you decide who gets paid and who is to pay? 'cause I can guarantee, when my Irish ggg-grandfather got off the boat in 1849, he didn't have a whole lot more than the clothes on his back let alone was a slave owner and neither were any of his descendants, so should I have to pay just because I'm an American?

The federal government would have to pay. I don't feel personally responsible for the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, but I think the government did the right thing by apologizing and offering some compensation a few years ago.

Of course, the slavery question is much larger and more complicated. I'm no expert, but I believe most of the plans would not offer payments to individuals, but would require the government to make investments that would benefit the descendants of slaves.

You Liberals don’t realize that the only money the Federal Government has is money that they’ve confiscated from citizens via taxes. For the government to write a check, they have to take money away from somebody. In this case, they’re taking some of my money to pay reparations for something that neither myself nor my family was a part of, that was even legal at the time! How about a little common sense?
 

badaxemoo

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Sandhusker said:
You Liberals don’t realize that the only money the Federal Government has is money that they’ve confiscated from citizens via taxes. For the government to write a check, they have to take money away from somebody. In this case, they’re taking some of my money to pay reparations for something that neither myself nor my family was a part of, that was even legal at the time! How about a little common sense?

So do you think the compensation given to Japanese-Americans as a result of their internment wasn't justified?

The government uses tax money all the time for things that you will never use and you weren't personally responsible for. Are you one of those Libertarian crybabies like Grover Norquist?
 

Mike

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So do you think the compensation given to Japanese-Americans as a result of their internment wasn't justified?

No it was not. The taxpayers didn't make the decision to inter them.

Plus, it was done for the good of all during wartime.

Mistakes are made all the time.

As was said just the other day, "we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and get back to the business of making America great".
 

aplusmnt

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Steve said:
welfare has hurt the poor (including blacks) more then slavery ever could..

I've seen many successful blacks who are descendant from slaves..

but I've haven't seen to many successful welfare families.. nor their descendants...

Good point! Blacks were known for families and a community that stuck together after the end of slavery. As well as being hard workers. All that ended when Welfare came. Welfare ruined the Black Family!
 

Sandhusker

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badaxemoo said:
Sandhusker said:
You Liberals don’t realize that the only money the Federal Government has is money that they’ve confiscated from citizens via taxes. For the government to write a check, they have to take money away from somebody. In this case, they’re taking some of my money to pay reparations for something that neither myself nor my family was a part of, that was even legal at the time! How about a little common sense?

So do you think the compensation given to Japanese-Americans as a result of their internment wasn't justified?

The government uses tax money all the time for things that you will never use and you weren't personally responsible for. Are you one of those Libertarian crybabies like Grover Norquist?



I don't see any parallels between interning the Japanese and slavery. Was internment legal? Considering it was wartime, that could be debated - I'd argue that it probably wasn't. Was slavery legal? Yes it was. Why is there a fine when there was no crime?
 
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