hypocritexposer
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I have taken a look at the COLB that Obama posted on his website many times.
Here it is from Fight the Smears, this would be the "original document, that was scanned and sent out to DailyKOS, Factchek etc.
Obama's FTS COLB
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
Now Factchek actually went to the campaign office and posted pictures of the "original" on their website. Here's one of 8 or 9 pictures.
Campaign Office COLB #1
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
You can clearly see the the raised seal in the picture, but there is no visible seal on the scanned image.
So I thought I'd take a look at the pictures that were taken at the Campaign office again. Here's another picture
Campaign Office COLB #2
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
Same COLB supposedly, but again, no visible raised seal. Save the picture for yourself, and blow it up on an editor and this is what you will see, in the location where the seal is in the first photographed COLB (COLB #1)
I dare say, there is a COLB with a seal and one without, and if we believe factchek, then they were both present at the office on the same day.
That answer the question of how the scanned image that was distributed to DailyKOS, Factchek etc orginally did not have a seal.
But it does not answer the question of why the campaign office would have 2 COLB, one with a seal and one without and post the one without on the Fight the Smears website, before the pictures of the one with the seal showed up. and why would the State of Hawaii issue a COLB without a seal?
There's something weird with the date stamp too
I don't think there is enough room for it on the page. If you take the picture of the stamp from factchek and line it up with where the date stamp bleeds through the front of the document, there would not be enough room on the page for the space that is showing under it. Notice the green bars under the stamp, they are "bleeding" through from the front.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
But on the front in that location, there are no green bars, only the black border.
Here's what it would look like if you superimposed the stamp onto the front of the document. (the "s"'s are just to illustrate space needed under the stamp.)
there are not enough green bars showing under the stamp, to bleed through.
So the picture of the stamp cannot be on either of the 2 COLB's, meaning that there is a 3rd COLB that was present when Factchek took the pictures at the campaign office.
COLB #1 – The COLB posted on ‘Fight the Smears’ – No Stamp, No Seal (not enough space under date bleed),
COLB#2 – FactCheck – COLB pictured, seal, but no stamp (not enough space under date)
COLB #3 – FactCheck – back of COLB, showing stamp, in different location than it would be on #1, and #2
Now am I saying that all this means that the Obama campaign forged documents, no.
It could be that DailyKOS did, seeing as they were one of the first with the scanned image, Fight the Smears then posted it, and then to cover up FactChek went to the campaign office to photograph the one on file and also threw in some pictures of the forgery that they had.
The picture of the stamp could have come from an authentic COLB that had to be in a different location.
I think DailyKOS and Factchek printed up one forgery, posted it, forgot the seal, created another one with a seal, and then went and took photos at the campaign office, to cover their butts.
But Fight the Smears would have also had to be involved, because they posted an unstamped, no seal document also.
What does everybody think? Take a look at the evidence. Evidence that is provided by Fight the Smears and FactChek.
Here it is from Fight the Smears, this would be the "original document, that was scanned and sent out to DailyKOS, Factchek etc.
Obama's FTS COLB
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
Now Factchek actually went to the campaign office and posted pictures of the "original" on their website. Here's one of 8 or 9 pictures.
Campaign Office COLB #1
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
You can clearly see the the raised seal in the picture, but there is no visible seal on the scanned image.
So I thought I'd take a look at the pictures that were taken at the Campaign office again. Here's another picture
Campaign Office COLB #2
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_3.jpg
Same COLB supposedly, but again, no visible raised seal. Save the picture for yourself, and blow it up on an editor and this is what you will see, in the location where the seal is in the first photographed COLB (COLB #1)
I dare say, there is a COLB with a seal and one without, and if we believe factchek, then they were both present at the office on the same day.
That answer the question of how the scanned image that was distributed to DailyKOS, Factchek etc orginally did not have a seal.
But it does not answer the question of why the campaign office would have 2 COLB, one with a seal and one without and post the one without on the Fight the Smears website, before the pictures of the one with the seal showed up. and why would the State of Hawaii issue a COLB without a seal?
There's something weird with the date stamp too
I don't think there is enough room for it on the page. If you take the picture of the stamp from factchek and line it up with where the date stamp bleeds through the front of the document, there would not be enough room on the page for the space that is showing under it. Notice the green bars under the stamp, they are "bleeding" through from the front.
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg
But on the front in that location, there are no green bars, only the black border.
Here's what it would look like if you superimposed the stamp onto the front of the document. (the "s"'s are just to illustrate space needed under the stamp.)
there are not enough green bars showing under the stamp, to bleed through.
So the picture of the stamp cannot be on either of the 2 COLB's, meaning that there is a 3rd COLB that was present when Factchek took the pictures at the campaign office.
COLB #1 – The COLB posted on ‘Fight the Smears’ – No Stamp, No Seal (not enough space under date bleed),
COLB#2 – FactCheck – COLB pictured, seal, but no stamp (not enough space under date)
COLB #3 – FactCheck – back of COLB, showing stamp, in different location than it would be on #1, and #2
Now am I saying that all this means that the Obama campaign forged documents, no.
It could be that DailyKOS did, seeing as they were one of the first with the scanned image, Fight the Smears then posted it, and then to cover up FactChek went to the campaign office to photograph the one on file and also threw in some pictures of the forgery that they had.
The picture of the stamp could have come from an authentic COLB that had to be in a different location.
I think DailyKOS and Factchek printed up one forgery, posted it, forgot the seal, created another one with a seal, and then went and took photos at the campaign office, to cover their butts.
But Fight the Smears would have also had to be involved, because they posted an unstamped, no seal document also.
What does everybody think? Take a look at the evidence. Evidence that is provided by Fight the Smears and FactChek.