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ranch hand

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Read this and thought boy are we close to getting what they want. Obama will try to make this his legacy.

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)

6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to - take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion - Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools

8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?
 

Mike

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Interesting. Wonder if liberals like OT can even make these connections? :roll:

Buckwheat has hired John Podesta to tie these U. S. directives into the UN strategy...........................
 
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Anonymous

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Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?... What right for you to buy a gun or carry one has been taken away since Obama took office?

I hear all these people moaning about the gun rights they've lost-- but then look back to when I first started packing a badge in 71... Back then very few could legally pack concealed in Montana.... It was a felony to pack a concealed firearm while out in the hills hunting- and a misd. to pack one in town (NO that is not a mistake)- and only District Judges could issue concealed weapons permits.. Some issued none (like our local judge)- some very few with a good reason( banker, private eye, guard) and some only issued to their buddies....
Now anyone of honorable standing can get one...
Also back in 71 there was no stand your ground law or immediate assumption of self defense if declared...

A couple of months ago- I bought me a new pocket pistol.. I saw the gun advertised online -- drove up to the gunstore- looked at the gun- handed the guy the cash and my ID/CCW permit- filled out and signed the FAA form and walked out with the gun and 4 boxes of ammo... I was there 1/2 an hour and most of that time was visiting and looking at other guns...
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

In fact I as a legal, lawful mentally sound citizen have more rights than we did 45 years ago...
 

Steve

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I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

yep by the grace of GOD you live in a conservative state.. for now..

but for a guy who lives in a rural area of New York , his rights have been curtailed to the point of confiscation..

and what about over in Colorado?.. seems they have a fancy new liberal law as well thanks to the big cities, and a few whacked out liberals terrorists.

but don't worry,.. once the liberals get done mucking up one state they like to move on and muck up another..

and then who will be left to speak up for your rights? some gal in Canada?
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

yep by the grace of GOD you live in a conservative state.. for now..

but for a guy who lives in a rural area of New York , his rights have been curtailed to the point of confiscation..

and what about over in Colorado?.. seems they have a fancy new liberal law as well thanks to the big cities, and a few whacked out liberals terrorists.

but don't worry,.. once the liberals get done mucking up one state they like to move on and muck up another..

and then who will be left to speak up for your rights? some gal in Canada?

Sounds like the folks of those States prefer those laws- and are the ones that put them into effect, not the Federal government... More States rights-isn't that what we want?...
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

yep by the grace of GOD you live in a conservative state.. for now..

but for a guy who lives in a rural area of New York , his rights have been curtailed to the point of confiscation..

and what about over in Colorado?.. seems they have a fancy new liberal law as well thanks to the big cities, and a few whacked out liberals terrorists.

but don't worry,.. once the liberals get done mucking up one state they like to move on and muck up another..

and then who will be left to speak up for your rights? some gal in Canada?

Sounds like the folks of those States prefer those laws- and are the ones that put them into effect, not the Federal government... More States rights-isn't that what we want?...

no it doesn't sound like folks in those states prefer them laws.. it sounds like liberal shoving through unpopular laws and not caring what decent law abiding folk think..

but don't worry.. it will come to your neck of the woods soon enough..

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122003/political-party-affiliation-states-blue-red-far.aspx
Montana democrat 44% republican 42%

especially bad considering that the few independents vote and talk liberal and vote for anti gun candidates..
 

backhoeboogie

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Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?...

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Afford ammunition. Be able to find ammunition.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?... What right for you to buy a gun or carry one has been taken away since Obama took office?

I hear all these people moaning about the gun rights they've lost-- but then look back to when I first started packing a badge in 71... Back then very few could legally pack concealed in Montana.... It was a felony to pack a concealed firearm while out in the hills hunting- and a misd. to pack one in town (NO that is not a mistake)- and only District Judges could issue concealed weapons permits.. Some issued none (like our local judge)- some very few with a good reason( banker, private eye, guard) and some only issued to their buddies....
Now anyone of honorable standing can get one...
Also back in 71 there was no stand your ground law or immediate assumption of self defense if declared...

A couple of months ago- I bought me a new pocket pistol.. I saw the gun advertised online -- drove up to the gunstore- looked at the gun- handed the guy the cash and my ID/CCW permit- filled out and signed the FAA form and walked out with the gun and 4 boxes of ammo... I was there 1/2 an hour and most of that time was visiting and looking at other guns...
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

In fact I as a legal, lawful mentally sound citizen have more rights than we did 45 years ago...

Only because there are several Republicans and a few Dems that upheld our constitutional rights and didn't fall for the Democratic/Obama spewing.

Or don't you remember Biden saying, "get a shotgun"?

If you think Obama doesn't want your pistols & rifles, you are a much bigger fool than anyone thought. :roll:
 

ranch hand

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Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?... What right for you to buy a gun or carry one has been taken away since Obama took office?

...

Oldtimer where did I say anything about it has BEEN done on the guns? But then again, what OT has been tried to be made into guns laws, but shut down from the conservatives, since your Obama has been in office? Why not answer the other 7 statements? Lets see what you are made of. I personally get tired of your Barney Fife stories, way back when I carried heat I did this and now I do that. We could care less. Were you ever voted into office or just fill in for a retiring sheriff? :???:
 

ranch hand

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A federal appeals court struck down key parts of California’s permit system for handguns on Thursday, ruling that the state must allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms in public. :wink:
 

Big Muddy rancher

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backhoeboogie said:
Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?...

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Afford ammunition. Be able to find ammunition.

Daughter was talking to a US border agent the other night, You now need an export permit for a Canadian to buy a firearm in the US and take it home to Canada and the Border agent had applied for a import permit to bring Canadian ammunition to the US for personal use and hasn't heard back for over a month. :?
 

Tam

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It won't be long before Oldtimer will know exactly what you are talking about Steve as the Liberal Loons from California are buying land in the Western part of Montana and will soon be changing that state to what they escaped from in their former bankrupt home state. :roll:
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?... What right for you to buy a gun or carry one has been taken away since Obama took office?

I hear all these people moaning about the gun rights they've lost-- but then look back to when I first started packing a badge in 71... Back then very few could legally pack concealed in Montana.... It was a felony to pack a concealed firearm while out in the hills hunting- and a misd. to pack one in town (NO that is not a mistake)- and only District Judges could issue concealed weapons permits.. Some issued none (like our local judge)- some very few with a good reason( banker, private eye, guard) and some only issued to their buddies....
Now anyone of honorable standing can get one...
Also back in 71 there was no stand your ground law or immediate assumption of self defense if declared...

A couple of months ago- I bought me a new pocket pistol.. I saw the gun advertised online -- drove up to the gunstore- looked at the gun- handed the guy the cash and my ID/CCW permit- filled out and signed the FAA form and walked out with the gun and 4 boxes of ammo... I was there 1/2 an hour and most of that time was visiting and looking at other guns...
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

In fact I as a legal, lawful mentally sound citizen have more rights than we did 45 years ago...

They say that the internet has created a less civilized world and people will say something they wouldn't say face to face. I think that's true. If you said half the crap to my face that you say on here, I couldn't stop laughing at you long enough to call you a moron. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up constantly or comment on something you apparently know nothing about?

I'm not even 45 years old and I know you are full of it. When I was a kid they sold hand guns out of the feed store and gas station. You paid them money and walked out the door. They stopped carrying them because of all the regulations.

There are tons of fire arm regulations that have been placed on the books in the past 45 years.

And if you think the people want all the laws, please explain why Colorado recalled multiple individuals from the state congress?
 
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Anonymous

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iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
Ranchhand-- I'm not going to go thru each of these one by one-- but lets just take guns... What can't you do now concerning guns that you could do prior to the day Obama took office?... What right for you to buy a gun or carry one has been taken away since Obama took office?

I hear all these people moaning about the gun rights they've lost-- but then look back to when I first started packing a badge in 71... Back then very few could legally pack concealed in Montana.... It was a felony to pack a concealed firearm while out in the hills hunting- and a misd. to pack one in town (NO that is not a mistake)- and only District Judges could issue concealed weapons permits.. Some issued none (like our local judge)- some very few with a good reason( banker, private eye, guard) and some only issued to their buddies....
Now anyone of honorable standing can get one...
Also back in 71 there was no stand your ground law or immediate assumption of self defense if declared...

A couple of months ago- I bought me a new pocket pistol.. I saw the gun advertised online -- drove up to the gunstore- looked at the gun- handed the guy the cash and my ID/CCW permit- filled out and signed the FAA form and walked out with the gun and 4 boxes of ammo... I was there 1/2 an hour and most of that time was visiting and looking at other guns...
I can't see where any honest, mentally sound, nonconvicted persons rights to get a firearm or to practice self defense have been restricted...

In fact I as a legal, lawful mentally sound citizen have more rights than we did 45 years ago...

They say that the internet has created a less civilized world and people will say something they wouldn't say face to face. I think that's true. If you said half the crap to my face that you say on here, I couldn't stop laughing at you long enough to call you a moron. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up constantly or comment on something you apparently know nothing about?

I'm not even 45 years old and I know you are full of it. When I was a kid they sold hand guns out of the feed store and gas station. You paid them money and walked out the door. They stopped carrying them because of all the regulations.

There are tons of fire arm regulations that have been placed on the books in the past 45 years.

And if you think the people want all the laws, please explain why Colorado recalled multiple individuals from the state congress?

So you can't go to your feedstore and buy guns anymore (or buy them direct from mailorder like I could as a kid) - but you can go to your neighbors, a gun show, or a gun store and buy all you need for self defense... Our local Tradio radio show has a half a dozen a week listed... The ad I saw to buy mine was on FB... And those regulations stopping the feedstore guy from selling guns went into effect long before Obama was even in government... So have nothing to do with the insinuation ranchhands post makes that Obama is taking all your guns....

WHAT laws restricting your ability to own a gun have went into effect since Obama took office? I 'm really curious... I've asked this question many times and no one can tell me any...

On the contrary since he's taken office the only Federal change I can find is he signed a bill in 2009 that allows anyone with a state-issued concealed weapons permit to carry loaded weapons in national parks... .

In fact this is what got us many of the gun restrictions we have today:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+brady+bill&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=839DBE699770F3ED0CD8839DBE699770F3ED0CD8

Pretty tough to defeat when you have both Reagan and Clinton backing it...
 

Mike

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"I don't believe people should be able to own guns"
Barack Obama to Professor Lott


In 1996, Obama supported a ban on handguns
In 1998, he supported a ban on the sale of all semi-automatic guns
In 2004, he advocated banning gun sales within five miles of a school or park, which would have shut down nearly all gun stores - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/author-quotes-then-professor-obama-saying-i-dont-believe-people-should#sthash.4I8oQDhm.dpuf



CHEYENNE, Wyo. – Wyoming is leading a coalition of 19 states asking the U.S. Supreme Court to let them submit a brief supporting a New Jersey man's challenge to that state's concealed weapons law.

The Wyoming Attorney General's Office, acting as lawyer for Wyoming and the other states, on Wednesday asked the Supreme Court to grant a hearing to John M. Drake and others who are challenging a recent appeals court ruling.







A three-judge panel of the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last summer ruled against Drake's challenge to a provision in New Jersey law that says people seeking permits to carry a concealed firearm must prove to police that they have a justifiable need.

The brief from Wyoming Attorney General's Office says that Wyoming and the other states are concerned that if the appeals court ruling stands, it could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

"This decision out of New Jersey impacts the right to keep and bear arms outside of the home," Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead said Wednesday. "So, I felt it was necessary to have the attorney general support a petition to the Supreme Court to hear this case.

"If the current decision stands, states providing greater protections than New Jersey under the Second Amendment may be pre-empted by future federal action," said Mead, a Republican.

Wyoming is among the most pro-gun states in the nation. Although Wyoming still issues concealed carry permits to its citizens, the state in 2011 changed its laws to allow concealed carry without a permit.

Mead and other statewide officials this month approved $13 million in grants to help a Colorado producer of ammunition magazines for guns move its manufacturing operations to Wyoming. Magpul Industries of Erie, Colo., pledged to move out of Colorado after lawmakers in that state enacted gun control measures last year.

The Star-Ledger, a New Jersey newspaper, reported Wednesday that Drake, of Fredon, N.J., is a business owner who owns and services ATMs. He told the paper he sometimes carries large amounts of cash.

"It seems unreasonable to me to have to wait until you're beaten up or shot at to get a permit," Drake said told the newspaper.

The National Rifle Association also is supporting Drake's legal challenge.

The Star-Ledger quoted Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, saying, "Law-abiding citizens have a constitutional right to defend themselves beyond their front doorstep."

The other states joining in the effort are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia.
 

Mike

Well-known member
OT trying to change the subject again........Well, here's one that goes to the meat of the original post!!!!!

Barack Obama Opposed bill okaying gun use in home invasions

Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.

In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.

Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again, Obama acted against the bill.

On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
:roll:
 

ranch hand

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So OT care to answer my other 7? Obama has 3 more years of trying to get more gun rights removed. If we lose the house you can bet he will get them too. :mad:
 

hypocritexposer

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So Democrats and obama are not trying to restrict access to guns, but the
Repubs. have a war on women going on, because they don't want to pay for abortions, thus restricting a woman's right to choose.

Got it, thanks for clearing that up OT.
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
So Democrats and obama are not trying to restrict access to guns,


I never said that Obama and/or Dems were not trying to restrict access to guns--- I asked what new restrictions had been put on since Obama took office...

I hear all these whiners crying about all the gun rights Obama has taken from them.... But I'm still waiting for someone to show me one ... As far as I could find - under Federal Laws and rules- Obama has actually only changed one when he signed a bill in 2009 that allows anyone with a state-issued concealed weapons permit to carry loaded weapons in national parks- which gives gun owners more rights... .

Like I said- if you want to lay blame for most the gun restrictions you have now- look no further than this fellow:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+brady+bill&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=839DBE699770F3ED0CD8839DBE699770F3ED0CD8
 

Mike

Well-known member
OT wrote:
I never said that Obama and/or Dems were not trying to restrict access to guns

ranch hand wrote:
Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state

Everything else written by OT is minute and off topic. Everyone knows that Buckwheat wants to restrict guns but he don't have the support:
“I intend to keep trying, with or without Congress, to help stop more tragedies from visiting innocent Americans in our movie theaters, shopping malls, or schools like Sandy Hook.” Obama said.

This quote goes directly to the heart of what ranch hand is saying. :roll:
 
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