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South Dakota rejects abortion law.

CattleArmy

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South Dakota rejects tough abortion law
Also 3 states ban gay marriage; overall, voters weighed 205 measures

Updated: 21 minutes ago
South Dakota voters on Tuesday rejected the toughest abortion law in the land — a measure that would have outlawed the procedure under almost any circumstances.

Meantime, amendments to ban gay marriage won approval Tuesday in three states — including Wisconsin, where gay-rights activists had nursed hopes of engineering the first defeat of such a ban.

Nationwide, a total of 205 measures were on the ballots in 37 states — ranging from routine bond issues to the South Dakota contest, which garnered national attention.


Activists on both sides of the abortion debate were on edge over the campaign. If the ban was upheld, abortion-rights supporters were expected to launch a legal challenge that could lead all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
 

Econ101

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I hope REAL PEOPLE get involved in the abortion issue on a personal level and reduce its prevalance.

The voters of the Dakotas obviously don't think that issue should be one of an indescriminate law.

Get involved in someone's life on a personal level and help provide them with another option other than abortion.

Maybe MRJ could get off her high horse and offer her fellow citizens some support in that respect. It seems she has the resources, if she would only share them.
 

Southdakotahunter

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It would have been easy to vote for it IF it would have had exemptions for rape and incest. Luckily, i have sons, but if my daughter would have been raped, she easily could have been sentenced to 9month prison without doing anything wrong and thats wrong. Its easy to say how we are murderers and how we kill innocent babys but when you are put into the situation, you may just change your views.

Bring a law with some exceptions. The people have spoken.
 

Econ101

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Southdakotahunter said:
It would have been easy to vote for it IF it would have had exemptions for rape and incest. Luckily, i have sons, but if my daughter would have been raped, she easily could have been sentenced to 9month prison without doing anything wrong and thats wrong. Its easy to say how we are murderers and how we kill innocent babys but when you are put into the situation, you may just change your views.

Bring a law with some exceptions. The people have spoken.

I totally agree, sdh. Abortion should never be easy, nor should it just be viewed as a form of birth control, but the liberal view of abortion goes too far. Maybe the dems. will come to their senses over this issue. One good thing is that the issue has been given over to the states. Such questions with a lot of grey area as the part you bring up should be left up to the states where the grey area is taken into consideration.

My point about being personally involved and making a difference in real lives remains. Abortion is a personal issue and the grey area should be agonized over by people, not lawmakers. I hope everyone can have and take the opportunity to help influence someone's life so that abortion is not just an easy option.

My 13 year old is involved in just such an issue with a friend right now, so I am not just demagoguing the issue. It takes real sacrifices to do what is right, not just some law to have to rely on when it comes to these moral issues.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Southdakotahunter said:
It would have been easy to vote for it IF it would have had exemptions for rape and incest. Luckily, i have sons, but if my daughter would have been raped, she easily could have been sentenced to 9month prison without doing anything wrong and thats wrong. Its easy to say how we are murderers and how we kill innocent babys but when you are put into the situation, you may just change your views.

Bring a law with some exceptions. The people have spoken.
Incest and rape are WRONG,that being said do you think it would be easier to face a life sentence of killing an innocent child instead of a nine month sencence and giving that innocent child to a family that couldn't be given the total joy of raising a child they otherwise couldn't have.

At least the State tried to right a wrong,kudos to them
 

Southdakotahunter

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Maybe you would like to adopt some of these incest and rape babys? I know im not stepping up to the plate. Its a sad deal all around.

Why do citizens of the USA have to go to other countrys to adopt? Its sad when we have to go to Vietnam to adopt just because of the crappy rules and regs here. Maybe we need to get the regs straightend out so its not so dang hard to adopt.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Southdakotahunter said:
Maybe you would like to adopt some of these incest and rape babys? I know im not stepping up to the plate. Its a sad deal all around.

Why do citizens of the USA have to go to other countrys to adopt? Its sad when we have to go to Vietnam to adopt just because of the crappy rules and regs here. Maybe we need to get the regs straightend out so its not so dang hard to adopt.
If I wasn't 47 and going to adopt a baby,I most certainly would NOT be deterred by the circumstances that led to the childs birth,thats for darn sure.I don't know much about your adoption rules but I do know a lovely nurse I work with has three beautiful adopted boys from Canada,and is going to China to pick up a little girl.They couldn't be count on a girl in Canada. Maybe thats why people are leaving your country,they want gender specific children.
 

katrina

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I think there are two reasons it was voted down..
1. Is the rape, insest.
2. It would be in court for ever and the people of south dakota just didn't have the money to fight it.....
 

Cal

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Econ101 said:
I hope REAL PEOPLE get involved in the abortion issue on a personal level and reduce its prevalance.

The voters of the Dakotas obviously don't think that issue should be one of an indescriminate law.

Get involved in someone's life on a personal level and help provide them with another option other than abortion.

Maybe MRJ could get off her high horse and offer her fellow citizens some support in that respect. It seems she has the resources, if she would only share them.
You know so little about MRJ and what types of voluteerism she may or may not do, yet you so easily and brainlessly criticize her on all levels. It does appear that you are jealous of what "resources" you believe she has, which is interesting in a way, noting that you spend enough time on here to probably work a second job. The only others that I see that spend that sort of time on here are semi-retired and already have their own nest egg, slacker.
 

Econ101

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Cal said:
Econ101 said:
I hope REAL PEOPLE get involved in the abortion issue on a personal level and reduce its prevalance.

The voters of the Dakotas obviously don't think that issue should be one of an indescriminate law.

Get involved in someone's life on a personal level and help provide them with another option other than abortion.

Maybe MRJ could get off her high horse and offer her fellow citizens some support in that respect. It seems she has the resources, if she would only share them.
You know so little about MRJ and what types of voluteerism she may or may not do, yet you so easily and brainlessly criticize her on all levels. It does appear that you are jealous of what "resources" you believe she has, which is interesting in a way, noting that you spend enough time on here to probably work a second job. The only others that I see that spend that sort of time on here are semi-retired and already have their own nest egg, slacker.

I am not jealous of MRJ or anyone else. I would like them to look beyond the comfort level they have made for themselves in this life and bring a little more empathy for what is happening in the world to other people. I don't mean going to the homeless shelter and for an hour a week and then leaving it behind.

My criticisms of MRJ are not brainless. They have a reason--you just can not see it.

I do appreciate your concern about my employment. That was mighty nice of you Cal. Should I call you up if I have a particular need?
 

Tap

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Cal said:
Econ101 said:
I hope REAL PEOPLE get involved in the abortion issue on a personal level and reduce its prevalance.

The voters of the Dakotas obviously don't think that issue should be one of an indescriminate law.

Get involved in someone's life on a personal level and help provide them with another option other than abortion.

Maybe MRJ could get off her high horse and offer her fellow citizens some support in that respect. It seems she has the resources, if she would only share them.
You know so little about MRJ and what types of voluteerism she may or may not do, yet you so easily and brainlessly criticize her on all levels. It does appear that you are jealous of what "resources" you believe she has, which is interesting in a way, noting that you spend enough time on here to probably work a second job. The only others that I see that spend that sort of time on here are semi-retired and already have their own nest egg, slacker.

lol. A job might be productive vs. ................. :wink:
 

CattleArmy

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Southdakotahunter said:
It would have been easy to vote for it IF it would have had exemptions for rape and incest. Luckily, i have sons, but if my daughter would have been raped, she easily could have been sentenced to 9month prison without doing anything wrong and thats wrong. Its easy to say how we are murderers and how we kill innocent babys but when you are put into the situation, you may just change your views.

Bring a law with some exceptions. The people have spoken.

I think that is a valid point why it failed.
 

Work Hard and Study Hard

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CattleArmy said:
Southdakotahunter said:
It would have been easy to vote for it IF it would have had exemptions for rape and incest. Luckily, i have sons, but if my daughter would have been raped, she easily could have been sentenced to 9month prison without doing anything wrong and thats wrong. Its easy to say how we are murderers and how we kill innocent babys but when you are put into the situation, you may just change your views.

Bring a law with some exceptions. The people have spoken.

I think that is a valid point why it failed.

The reason it failed is that people are sick and tired of the hypocritical relegious right trying to push their BS politics onto people.
 

nr

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Southdakotahunter said:
Maybe you would like to adopt some of these incest and rape babys? I know im not stepping up to the plate. Its a sad deal all around.

Why do citizens of the USA have to go to other countrys to adopt? Its sad when we have to go to Vietnam to adopt just because of the crappy rules and regs here. Maybe we need to get the regs straightend out so its not so dang hard to adopt.

Often the reason folks adopt from abroad is because there is less possibility of getting a drug-effected infant. Or they believe that to be the case.
Either way, there are some regs in place to help prevent a child from being taken away from a rightful parent or from being placed with a troubled family.
Also I know there are plenty of adoptable children right here if folks would be willing to adopt one older than an infant.
 

nr

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Econ101 said:
Cal said:
Econ101 said:
I hope REAL PEOPLE get involved in the abortion issue on a personal level and reduce its prevalance.

The voters of the Dakotas obviously don't think that issue should be one of an indescriminate law.

Get involved in someone's life on a personal level and help provide them with another option other than abortion.

Maybe MRJ could get off her high horse and offer her fellow citizens some support in that respect. It seems she has the resources, if she would only share them.
You know so little about MRJ and what types of voluteerism she may or may not do, yet you so easily and brainlessly criticize her on all levels. It does appear that you are jealous of what "resources" you believe she has, which is interesting in a way, noting that you spend enough time on here to probably work a second job. The only others that I see that spend that sort of time on here are semi-retired and already have their own nest egg, slacker.

I am not jealous of MRJ or anyone else. I would like them to look beyond the comfort level they have made for themselves in this life and bring a little more empathy for what is happening in the world to other people. I don't mean going to the homeless shelter and for an hour a week and then leaving it behind.

My criticisms of MRJ are not brainless. They have a reason--you just can not see it.

I do appreciate your concern about my employment. That was mighty nice of you Cal. Should I call you up if I have a particular need?

Econ said," I would like them to look beyond the comfort level they have made for themselves in this life and bring a little more empathy for what is happening in the world to other people. I don't mean going to the homeless shelter and for an hour a week and then leaving it behind."
Let's see now, Econ, if we all help in a homeless shelter but don't leave it, that would make us ALL homeless. Now there's progress!
:roll: :roll: Surely you didn't mean this. Also, going to a shelter IS a way to get personally involved.
But what bothers me is how LITTLE empathy you show to MRJ when you have NO idea what is happening in her life.
 

Econ101

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nr said:
Econ101 said:
Cal said:
You know so little about MRJ and what types of voluteerism she may or may not do, yet you so easily and brainlessly criticize her on all levels. It does appear that you are jealous of what "resources" you believe she has, which is interesting in a way, noting that you spend enough time on here to probably work a second job. The only others that I see that spend that sort of time on here are semi-retired and already have their own nest egg, slacker.

I am not jealous of MRJ or anyone else. I would like them to look beyond the comfort level they have made for themselves in this life and bring a little more empathy for what is happening in the world to other people. I don't mean going to the homeless shelter and for an hour a week and then leaving it behind.

My criticisms of MRJ are not brainless. They have a reason--you just can not see it.

I do appreciate your concern about my employment. That was mighty nice of you Cal. Should I call you up if I have a particular need?

Econ said," I would like them to look beyond the comfort level they have made for themselves in this life and bring a little more empathy for what is happening in the world to other people. I don't mean going to the homeless shelter and for an hour a week and then leaving it behind."
Let's see now, Econ, if we all help in a homeless shelter but don't leave it, that would make us ALL homeless. Now there's progress!
:roll: :roll: Surely you didn't mean this. Also, going to a shelter IS a way to get personally involved.
But what bothers me is how LITTLE empathy you show to MRJ when you have NO idea what is happening in her life.

My battles with MRJ have spilled over from the bull session. I don't know MRJ, don't know her family, don't know her community nor very much else about her. All I know is what she has posted on the internet. She could be fake for all I know. It is just a persona.

If you do know MRJ, know her family, her community, or any of the rest, good for you. I make no judgements on MRJ from that perspective. Just on her posts. She could be the best person in the world, and to some I hope she is. I fault MRJ for having a tribal mentality; one where the tribe means more than the facts and events that take place. That is usually a good thing to have in a small town as it fills in a lot of unknown gaps. When dealing with new and real issues, the tribe mentality clouds judgement, does not let you see the facts, and allows untruth to win.

....about the homeless shelter..... If you are the type of person who goes to church on sunday but doesn't bring it home, does that make you a christian on sunday only? The homeless shelter was only an example of that thought. My middle kid just worked at a homeless shelter. Believe me, the impression did not stay at the shelter. If we go about our lives and think that someone else is worse off than us just because of the decisions they made (sometimes this is true) and not look at the factors in our society that could have contributed to it, ie no health care, or healthcare that was not adequate or a million other reasons that could be our reasons, we will never work toward changing the world. We build little protection units around our own lives and look down on those who do not have those protections.

Much of my discussion with MRJ deals with her absolute insistence on the Grain Ispection Packer and Stockyard (GIPSA) OIG report where she failed to see the failings of GIPSA and the NCBA and instead defended GIPSA/NCBA even before reading the report. She was blinded by her tribalism. She did not or would not see the truth even though it was right there in front of her.

The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil. Edmund Burke:. All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. ...
 

Mrs.Greg

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Econ,can you explain to me what you meant by Its a good thing to have tribe mentality in a small town because it fills in gaps :???:
 

Econ101

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Mrs.Greg said:
Econ,can you explain to me what you meant by Its a good thing to have tribe mentality in a small town because it fills in gaps :???:

We all see information and run it through our personal filters to be able to deal with it, catagorize it, and take action or not take action.

We have to. We all have limited resources to deal with the problems we encounter.

In a small town, we know a lot more about the people around us as to the possible threat level they are to our particular view or well being.

For instance, you know if something happens in a bad part of town, you can avoid that part of town and potentially protect yourself. Same with a family, a church, a group, etc.

When dealing with other people in the town, we have enough extraneous information to do a rather good job of this.

MRJ has projected her view of her "small town", which includes the NCBA, to be able to categorically deny actual facts taking place. The OIG report on GIPSA is a perfect example.

Other people do the same thing when they will protect rotten democrats or rotten republicans. These kind of actions allow evil to proliferate and be tolerated.

Unfortunately we all have to do this to some extent just to meter the scarce resources we all have available. We must rely on the sheriff doing their job, the judge doing his, the politician doing his, and in general, that the people who have the responsibility combat these "evils" actually do their job.

The OIG report clearly showed that GIPSA was not carrying out their job and everyone with that knowledge has the responsiblity not to protect GIPSA, but to condemn them for it. MRJ failed at that attempt in favor of her tribalism. So did the NCBA.
 

Red Robin

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Work Hard and Study Hard said:
The reason it failed is that people are sick and tired of the hypocritical relegious right trying to push their BS politics onto people.
Do you have data to back up your statement or are you just another hot air liberal with lots of feelings and ideas but baseless in your beliefs and factless in your debating?
 
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