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VanC

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Barack Obama: Uppity or Arrogant?
John Hawkins
Friday, August 08, 2008


"I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions." -- Barack Obama
Liberals are almost always insufferably arrogant. It sort of goes with the territory. After all, if you believe that we have to throw religious customs, hundreds of years' worth of societal traditions, and the parts of the Constitution you disagree with into the wastebasket based primarily on your "feeling" that they're antiquated or no longer necessary, then you almost certainly must have an ego the size of a small planet.

That brings us to Barack Obama, who, even amongst liberals, is notorious for being full-of-himself. Conservatives who have pointed this out have been recently accused, rather uncreatively I might add, of calling Obama "uppity."

The whole idea and concept of a black man being "uppity" or acting above his station by doing things white people do...didn't that go out in like the fifties? I was born in the seventies, grew up in the heart of the deep South, in small town North Carolina, and I don't ever recall someone referring to a black man as "uppity." Not to say that there weren't racists in that town (There were) or that no one ever thinks like that anymore (There probably are still a few Robert Byrds out there), but if the Democrats have to reach that far into obscurity to try to keep people from talking about Obama's arrogance, then they must really believe that Obama's tendency to turn his nose up at the Hoi-Polloi is a weak point. Incidentally, they're right -- it is.

The American people don't like snobbish political hacks with delusions of grandeur, like Obama, and the more they get to know him, the less they will like him personally.

Granted, it must be pretty heady stuff for Obama to have teenage girls fainting while he speaks and 200,000 Germans chanting his name. Of course, the average rock star has had those same sort of experiences and most of them are still grounded enough to avoid saying something as conceited as, "We are the ones we've been waiting for." On the other hand, Obama would make a great rock star, wouldn’t he? He'd probably be one of those rappers who repeats his own name 50 times in a three minute long song.

It's that kind of arrogance that makes lines like this one just seem to naturally roll off his tongue,


"You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
That quote is a window into Barack Obama's world. There are the enlightened few, like Barack Obama, and then there are the "little people" who are bitter and cling to "guns," "religion," or "anti-immigrant sentiment" because their primitive brains have left them frustrated and unable to see the big picture. The "bitter people" need a man like Barack Obama in the White House, a Harvard grad who enjoys arugula and basking in the limelight in Europe, to make the decisions for them that tragically, they're just not learned enough to make on their own.

The deep irony here is that many of the frustrated "bitter" people that Obama peers down on from on high are just as qualified to be President of the United States as he is. Obama has never served in the military, in the House, or as a governor. He has never run a business, was just elected to the Senate in 2004, and has had exactly one hard-fought political victory in his entire career (against Hillary Clinton). So, who would be more qualified to be President: Obama or, let's say, a guy who served a couple of tours in the military, got out, started his own successful small business, and has served a couple of terms on his local city council? I have few doubts that the city councilman would be far more in touch with the real world and more competent to lead the country than someone who was so haughty and dare I say, messianic that he proclaimed,


"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
This guy has never run a business, run a state, or served in the military, but he's going to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet? There are people locked away in rubber rooms, drooling on the floor and talking to tiny pink elves, who are less delusional than Obama.

......And that is ultimately the problem with having a President who combines limited experience with towering arrogance. Putting Barack Obama in charge of the United States would be like making a cocky high school class President the new CEO of Wal-Mart. Not only would he not know what to do, he wouldn't know what not to do, or even that he doesn't know the difference.




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Texan

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fff said:
Damn right! That uppity Neeegro should know his place. :roll:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:
 

fff

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Texan said:
fff said:
Damn right! That uppity Neeegro should know his place. :roll:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:

That's what this thread is about: race. See how the author claims he's not racist? He's from the south and he knows people who are racist, but not him. :roll: Obama is cheered by thousands of Germans. How dare he, a Neeegro, go across the ocean and represent the United States! McCain went to Mexico and represented the US. He wasn't greeted by thousands of cheering Mexicans, of course. And he's white. So it's ok if he goes to another country and makes a speech or meets with heads of states. But that uppity Neeegro should set down, shut his mouth and know his place. :roll:
 

Texan

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fff said:
That's what this thread is about: race.
I guess I read it differently. I thought it was about your guy being an arrogant elitist snob. As far as I can tell, YOU and Obama are the only ones that care about him being a...what is it you call him? A "Neeegro."

(PS: I don't think they like to be called that anymore. :wink: )
 

VanC

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fff said:
Texan said:
fff said:
Damn right! That uppity Neeegro should know his place. :roll:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:

That's what this thread is about: race. See how the author claims he's not racist? He's from the south and he knows people who are racist, but not him. :roll: Obama is cheered by thousands of Germans. How dare he, a Neeegro, go across the ocean and represent the United States! McCain went to Mexico and represented the US. He wasn't greeted by thousands of cheering Mexicans, of course. And he's white. So it's ok if he goes to another country and makes a speech or meets with heads of states. But that uppity Neeegro should set down, shut his mouth and know his place. :roll:

This thread was NOT about race until YOU made it so. It's about arrogance and qualifications, nothing more. Note the highlighted area. This is typical lefty crap. We'll put up a woman and if you criticize her, you're sexist. We'll put up a black and if you criticize him, you're a racist. We'll stick Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq, out there to say some of the most hateful, vile things you've ever heard and if you criticize her, you're insensitive. It's the last resort of people who haven't got the intellectual capacity to argue their point, and I'm sick of it. :mad:

I'm not going to vote for Obama and here's why: He's an empty suit. He's a great orator with a prepared text and a teleprompter in front of him, but ask him a question he's not prepared for and he hems and haws around like an imbecile. I want a president who can think on his feet. He's an arrogant, elistist snob. I want a president who doesn't look down his nose at me or one who thinks he's God's gift to the human race. He's a whiner, and so is his wife. I don't want a first couple who've taken advantage of the opportunities this country has given them to rise to the level they have and then turn around and complain about being mistreated. He's a hypocrite. He talks about providing health care to every child, yet he thinks it's OK to suck the brains out of a fully viable baby, seconds before birth, for the sake of something called "reproductive freedom". I could go on and on about the people he's been drawn to throughout his life, not to mention the many lies he's spewed forth.........but then all politicians have those skeletens to deal with, not just him.

All in all, he's waaaay to far left for me and millions of other Americans. If he were lilly white, I'd feel the same way. In fact, many of the reasons I won't vote for him are the same reasons I didn't vote for Gore or Kerry. Was I prejudiced against white men four or eight years ago? By the left's reasoning, I was, but we all know that's a bunch of crap.

This world is a big, bad, dangerous place, and it takes more than lofty words to deal with it. I can't put my finger on what it takes, but Obama ain't got it. I've been voting in presidential elections since 1972 and this is the first time I've felt a knot in my stomach over what might happen if a certain person is elected. I didn't feel that way about Gore, or Kerry, or either Clinton (I voted for Bill twice, by the way), but I feel that way about Obama. I didn't vote for him for senator, and I won't vote for him for president. If that makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it. I know better, and so do my family and friends. That's all that matters.
 

Sandhusker

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fff said:
Texan said:
fff said:
Damn right! That uppity Neeegro should know his place. :roll:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:

That's what this thread is about: race. See how the author claims he's not racist? He's from the south and he knows people who are racist, but not him. :roll: Obama is cheered by thousands of Germans. How dare he, a Neeegro, go across the ocean and represent the United States! McCain went to Mexico and represented the US. He wasn't greeted by thousands of cheering Mexicans, of course. And he's white. So it's ok if he goes to another country and makes a speech or meets with heads of states. But that uppity Neeegro should set down, shut his mouth and know his place. :roll:

The problem with Barry giving his speech in Germany is not that he's, as you say, a neeeeegro, it's because he's a Freshman Rep. with an empty resume. The problem was that he wasn't there to represent the US, he was there to represent himself - that plane he flew in on has the big Zero on the tail, not the US flag. The man's arrogance is astounding.

Did McCain give a speech to Mexican citizens as Obama did to the German citizens? NO.
 

fff

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VanC said:
fff said:
Texan said:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:

That's what this thread is about: race. See how the author claims he's not racist? He's from the south and he knows people who are racist, but not him. :roll: Obama is cheered by thousands of Germans. How dare he, a Neeegro, go across the ocean and represent the United States! McCain went to Mexico and represented the US. He wasn't greeted by thousands of cheering Mexicans, of course. And he's white. So it's ok if he goes to another country and makes a speech or meets with heads of states. But that uppity Neeegro should set down, shut his mouth and know his place. :roll:

This thread was NOT about race until YOU made it so. It's about arrogance and qualifications, nothing more. Note the highlighted area. This is typical lefty crap. We'll put up a woman and if you criticize her, you're sexist. We'll put up a black and if you criticize him, you're a racist. We'll stick Cindy Sheehan, who lost a son in Iraq, out there to say some of the most hateful, vile things you've ever heard and if you criticize her, you're insensitive. It's the last resort of people who haven't got the intellectual capacity to argue their point, and I'm sick of it. :mad:

Yes, it was about race. It's a not very subtle attack on a black man who has the intelligence, the get up and go, to get to the top of the political heap at a young age. And doesn't apologize for it. Tell me what arrogance has to do with competency? Show me where this piece is anything but an attack on Obama for being "uppity." Oh, right, the author says people don't use that word any more. And they don't. They use more subtle phrases.

I'm not going to vote for Obama and here's why: He's an empty suit. He's a great orator with a prepared text and a teleprompter in front of him, but ask him a question he's not prepared for and he hems and haws around like an imbecile. I want a president who can think on his feet. He's an arrogant, elistist snob. I want a president who doesn't look down his nose at me or one who thinks he's God's gift to the human race. He's a whiner, and so is his wife. I don't want a first couple who've taken advantage of the opportunities this country has given them to rise to the level they have and then turn around and complain about being mistreated. He's a hypocrite. He talks about providing health care to every child, yet he thinks it's OK to suck the brains out of a fully viable baby, seconds before birth, for the sake of something called "reproductive freedom". I could go on and on about the people he's been drawn to throughout his life, not to mention the many lies he's spewed forth.........but then all politicians have those skeletens to deal with, not just him.

See, you continue with the "uppity" theme. Why do you think obama looks down his nose at you? Why do you think he thinks he's "God's gift?" Because Republican ads say so? You say many politicians are liars, yet you especially dislike it in him? Why? Because he's not white? Is he supposed to be "better" because of his color?

All in all, he's waaaay to far left for me and millions of other Americans. If he were lilly white, I'd feel the same way. In fact, many of the reasons I won't vote for him are the same reasons I didn't vote for Gore or Kerry. Was I prejudiced against white men four or eight years ago? By the left's reasoning, I was, but we all know that's a bunch of crap.

He's not too far left. The majority of Americans want us out of Iraq. So does he. The majority of Americans want affordable health care. So does he. The majority of Americans want change in how our government is run. So does he. The majority of Americans want lower gas prices. So does he. You look at virtually every poll out there and when Americans say what's important to them, Obama's positions will be more in line with them than McCains. And that's why McCain and the Republican Party have gone after him with racially suggestive ads. They know they can't win on issues.

This world is a big, bad, dangerous place, and it takes more than lofty words to deal with it. I can't put my finger on what it takes, but Obama ain't got it. I've been voting in presidential elections since 1972 and this is the first time I've felt a knot in my stomach over what might happen if a certain person is elected. I didn't feel that way about Gore, or Kerry, or either Clinton (I voted for Bill twice, by the way), but I feel that way about Obama. I didn't vote for him for senator, and I won't vote for him for president. If that makes me a racist in your eyes, so be it. I know better, and so do my family and friends. That's all that matters.

It takes more than lofty words, but you need a strong military, too. We don't have the strong military that we had when Bush took office. He's frittered it away in Iraq. We don't have the strong ties with our normal allies that we had when Bush took office. They're tired of carrying the load in Afghanistan. We're simply not in a position to be taking on more military challenges. McCain seems to relish the idea of being a "war president," just like George W. Bush.

When you post stuff that doesn't attack Obama's position on anything, only his "attitude", I don't believe you're being honest about your attitude on him. IMO, that's what this piece is: a hit piece aimed at bigots.
 
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Sandhusker said:
fff said:
Texan said:
You libs are really getting desperate, huh? You can't keep from bringing up race. Too funny. :lol:

That's what this thread is about: race. See how the author claims he's not racist? He's from the south and he knows people who are racist, but not him. :roll: Obama is cheered by thousands of Germans. How dare he, a Neeegro, go across the ocean and represent the United States! McCain went to Mexico and represented the US. He wasn't greeted by thousands of cheering Mexicans, of course. And he's white. So it's ok if he goes to another country and makes a speech or meets with heads of states. But that uppity Neeegro should set down, shut his mouth and know his place. :roll:

The problem with Barry giving his speech in Germany is not that he's, as you say, a neeeeegro, it's because he's a Freshman Rep. with an empty resume. The problem was that he wasn't there to represent the US, he was there to represent himself - that plane he flew in on has the big Zero on the tail, not the US flag. The man's arrogance is astounding.

Did McCain give a speech to Mexican citizens as Obama did to the German citizens? NO.

Thing is that that wrinkly grey haired old Dude is the one that dared him to go visit Iraq- and Afghanistan- and to get some knowledge of the world- so he did- and then when folks went crazy for it- and him-- then those same folks cry and whine....

And speaking of arrogance- no one could be worse than Bush-- and where is the US flag on McCains plane?...Obamas has one- that was covered up by the angle the picture the Karl Rove folks put on the internet - but I can't find one on McSames plane :???:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
The problem with Barry giving his speech in Germany is not that he's, as you say, a neeeeegro, it's because he's a Freshman Rep. with an empty resume. The problem was that he wasn't there to represent the US, he was there to represent himself - that plane he flew in on has the big Zero on the tail, not the US flag. The man's arrogance is astounding.

Did McCain give a speech to Mexican citizens as Obama did to the German citizens? NO.

Why was it arrogant go to Germany and make a speech? He's an elected Senator from the US. If Germans didn't want to hear him, they didn't have to turn out. You do know that when Reagan made his "Tear down that wall" speech in Germany, the crowd was bussed in? Not true for Obama.

The flag on the wing of his first airplane was the TRADEMARKED logo of the company he leased it from. See OT's Snoops link or here it is again:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/airplane.asp

Yes, McCain gave a speech to Mexican citizens. They just didn't turn out for him. And he gave one in Canada, too. How uppity of him! After all, he's just a Senator. Who is he to represent this country in Mexico and Canada! Oh, wait, he's white. That makes it ok. :roll:

"I believe we must have comprehensive immigration reform, but the American people want our borders secured first," McCain said, speaking in a heavily guarded federal police hangar in the rough Mexico City neighborhood of Iztapalapa.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_9781841


"I would rather speak at a rally or a political gathering any place outside of the country after I am president of the United States," McCain told O'Donnell. "But that's a judgment that Sen. Obama and the American people will make."

However, on June 20, McCain himself gave a speech in Canada -- to the Economic Club of Canada -- in which he applauded NAFTA's successes. An implicit message behind that speech was that Obama had been critical of the trade accord. Also, McCain's trip to Canada was paid for by the campaign.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1220326.aspx
 

VanC

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fff said:
Why was it arrogant go to Germany and make a speech? He's an elected Senator from the US. If Germans didn't want to hear him, they didn't have to turn out. You do know that when Reagan made his "Tear down that wall" speech in Germany, the crowd was bussed in? Not true for Obama.

Sunday, July 27, 2008
Free Rock Concert Drew Crowd In Berlin, Not Obama

History repeats itself in this campaign. A couple of months back the news media failed to mention a large crowd in Portland, Oregon gathered for a free concert in a park before Obama took the stage. In Berlin, two very popular German bands played a free rock concert to lure large crowds and the media failed to report it. The German band, Raemonn, is accustomed to drawing large crowds as confirmed by this video. CNN's Christianne Armanpour looked rather foolish trying to explain the lack of euphoria for Obama following his speech. “I did ask some people as they were leaving what they thought," Armanpour said. "Everybody said good, good. But I was surprised that there wasn't this sort of euphoria afterwards, given how many people had come to listen and how much it had been anticipated." Psst . . . It was the free concert, stupid.


They also had free beer, brats and pizza, courtesy of the Obama campaign. Did you forget that part? How convenient. :lol: Oh, I forgot, you only get your information from Obama headquarters.....er.....I mean MSNBC, so you wouldn't have known. :roll:
 

fff

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VanC said:
fff said:
Why was it arrogant go to Germany and make a speech? He's an elected Senator from the US. If Germans didn't want to hear him, they didn't have to turn out. You do know that when Reagan made his "Tear down that wall" speech in Germany, the crowd was bussed in? Not true for Obama.

Sunday, July 27, 2008
Free Rock Concert Drew Crowd In Berlin, Not Obama

History repeats itself in this campaign. A couple of months back the news media failed to mention a large crowd in Portland, Oregon gathered for a free concert in a park before Obama took the stage. In Berlin, two very popular German bands played a free rock concert to lure large crowds and the media failed to report it. The German band, Raemonn, is accustomed to drawing large crowds as confirmed by this video. CNN's Christianne Armanpour looked rather foolish trying to explain the lack of euphoria for Obama following his speech. “I did ask some people as they were leaving what they thought," Armanpour said. "Everybody said good, good. But I was surprised that there wasn't this sort of euphoria afterwards, given how many people had come to listen and how much it had been anticipated." Psst . . . It was the free concert, stupid.


They also had free beer, brats and pizza, courtesy of the Obama campaign. Did you forget that part? How convenient. :lol: Oh, I forgot, you only get your information from Obama headquarters.....er.....I mean MSNBC, so you wouldn't have known. :roll:

Give me a break. Campaigns often offer free concerts before speeches. McCain just did for a big FL event. He still only drew a few hundred people. Obama, with our without a free concert, has been drawing thousands both here in the US and overseas. As opposed to Reagan, who had to bus in people to listen to his speech. And the media never mentioned that.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/01/mccains_country_music_extravag.html
 
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Didn't you hear they were trying to get a band for the Republican Convention too-- but the only ones that old wrinkly white haired Dude could name were Lawrence Welk and Tommy Dorsey- and thru a temper tantrum and called his wife nasty names when she told him they had both died.... :wink: :lol: :p
 

Mike

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fff said:
Damn right! That uppity Neeegro should know his place. :roll:

You mean like how the Democrats treated Clarence Thomas?:

"This is not an opportunity to talk about difficult matters privately or in a closed environment. This is a circus. It's a national disgrace. And from my standpoint, as a black American, it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves, to do for themselves, to have different ideas, and it is a message that unless you kowtow to an old order, this is what will happen to you. You will be lynched, destroyed, caricatured by a committee of the U.S. Senate rather than hung from a tree."[19]
 

VanC

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fff said:
VanC said:
fff said:
Why was it arrogant go to Germany and make a speech? He's an elected Senator from the US. If Germans didn't want to hear him, they didn't have to turn out. You do know that when Reagan made his "Tear down that wall" speech in Germany, the crowd was bussed in? Not true for Obama.

Sunday, July 27, 2008
Free Rock Concert Drew Crowd In Berlin, Not Obama

History repeats itself in this campaign. A couple of months back the news media failed to mention a large crowd in Portland, Oregon gathered for a free concert in a park before Obama took the stage. In Berlin, two very popular German bands played a free rock concert to lure large crowds and the media failed to report it. The German band, Raemonn, is accustomed to drawing large crowds as confirmed by this video. CNN's Christianne Armanpour looked rather foolish trying to explain the lack of euphoria for Obama following his speech. “I did ask some people as they were leaving what they thought," Armanpour said. "Everybody said good, good. But I was surprised that there wasn't this sort of euphoria afterwards, given how many people had come to listen and how much it had been anticipated." Psst . . . It was the free concert, stupid.


They also had free beer, brats and pizza, courtesy of the Obama campaign. Did you forget that part? How convenient. :lol: Oh, I forgot, you only get your information from Obama headquarters.....er.....I mean MSNBC, so you wouldn't have known. :roll:

Give me a break. Campaigns often offer free concerts before speeches.

No, you give ME a break. Is this common knowledge? I didn't realize it, and I pay pretty close attention to presidential campaigns. Heck I bet you didn't even know it till you frantically googled for a response to my post and came up with the McCain in FL thing. :lol: Well, I did a little googling myself and came up with this, also from the Washington Post:

Obama Crowd Builds in Germany: Good or Bad?


Crowds gather to hear US Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's speech in front of the Victory Column in Berlin on July 24, 2008. MICHAEL URBAN/AFP/Getty Images.

Barack Obama isn't speaking in Berlin until 1:15 eastern time today but the crowds are already massing. Rumors are that one million people could show up although Obama himself dismissed such suggestions, telling reporters: "I doubt we're gonna have a million screaming Germans."

A huge crowd today could be a mixed blessing for Obama. On the one hand, it is a potent symbol of the excitement his candidacy has caused worldwide. On the other, thousands and thousands of cheering Germans may not play well stateside.

Does a big crowd work to Obama's benefit or detriment? Or somewhere in between?

By Chris Cillizza | July 24, 2008; 12:54 PM ET | Category: Eye on 2008

Why gee, no mention of the free concert, brats, beer, or pizza, but the whole McCain thing was about nothing BUT the concert. Why the double standard? Are they trying to deceive us? Are you? Do you really expect us to believe that 200,000 Germans turned out to hear someone that most of them never heard of speak in a language that most of them don't understand? Bull.

fff said:
McCain just did for a big FL event. He still only drew a few hundred people.

Prove it. Nowhere in the article you cited does it mention the size of the crowd. Besides, I'll concede that there's more excitement in the Obama camp than in McCain's, at least that's what we're led to believe. But the people in the middle, who will decide this election, aren't easily swayed by the bandwagon effect. When they get in the booth to pull that lever, it could be a whole different story.

fff said:
Obama, with our without a free concert, has been drawing thousands both here in the US and overseas.

Again, prove it. Show me where he's drawn a really large crowd without the people getting something in return. After this whole overseas thing, I have my doubts.

fff said:
As opposed to Reagan, who had to bus in people to listen to his speech. And the media never mentioned that.

As Reagan himself would say "there you go again". You get cornered in some discussion, and instead of addressing the issue at hand, you pull something up out of the blue about something else and play dodgeball. OK, let's talk about Reagan's speech. It was in 1987, I believe. You don't remember who you voted for in the presidential election of 1976, yet you remember details of a speech given 21 years ago by a man you obviously hated? Interesting. Maybe people were bussed in, maybe not. They had to get there somehow, didn't they? Anyway, it has nothing to do with Obama and whether he, and the media, are being deceptive or not. As for the media not mentioning that people were bussed in, heck, they barely mentioned the speech at the time. It, and the line "tear down this wall", didn't become famous till after the wall was actually torn down two years later.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/01/mccains_country_music_extravag.html[/quote]
 

cutterone

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I will not vote for Obama nor will many others I know simply because idiots like fff & Oldtimer tout his worthyness. There is noooooo way I want people with those ideals in charge!
 

hopalong

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cutterone said:
I will not vote for Obama nor will many others I know simply because idiots like fff & Oldtimer tout his worthyness. There is noooooo way I want people with those ideals in charge!

Just the fact that those two support him is enough to send a lot of people in the opposite direction :roll: :roll:
 
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