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Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn’t Work’

Mike

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‘We’re Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn’t Work’


William Beach

January 14, 2009 at 7:28 pm

“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.”

Sound like, oh, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio or some other exasperated Republican stalwart lamenting proposals to spend our way out of the recession?

Listen again:

“I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises.”

Sound more like a liberal Democrat pushing job creation — say, Harlem’s Rep. Charlie Rangel?

What about this:

“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”

Surely this must be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi or another leading Democrat denouncing President Bush’s economic policies.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong again.

The words are those of none other than Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.

The date: May 9, 1939. The setting: Morgenthau’s appearance in Washington before less influential Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee.

Morgenthau made this “startling confession,” as historian Burton W. Folsom Jr. calls it, during the seventh year of FDR’s New Deal programs to combat the rampant unemployment of the Great Depression.

“In these words, Morgenthau summarized a decade of disaster, especially during the years Roosevelt was in power. Indeed average unemployment for the whole year in 1939 would be higher than that in 1931, the year before Roosevelt captured the presidency from Herbert Hoover,” Folsom writes in his new book, “New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America.”
 

Mike

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Steve said:
at least FDR and America got something out of all that money..

Well, it sure didn't leave a learned lesson. Buckwheat's shenanigans down that path have failed also.

Are the "Socialists" paying attention?
 

Steve

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Mike said:
Steve said:
at least FDR and America got something out of all that money..

Well, it sure didn't leave a learned lesson. Buckwheat's shenanigans down that path have failed also.

no they didn't learn anything,. but at least we have some nice parks and places thanks to the new deal... all we got out of the stimulus is a bunch of bankrupt companies..

Had Obama actually invested in our infrastructure we would have something .. but he didn't.. it was a pork-laden bill that left US with an even larger $bill$.. and that is about it...
 

Tam

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Mike said:
Steve said:
at least FDR and America got something out of all that money..

Well, it sure didn't leave a learned lesson. Buckwheat's shenanigans down that path have failed also.

Are the "Socialists" paying attention?

Yep they are paying attention and you can bet they are taking notes.

First note, is to back off and make it look as if they are giving up on their plans to CHANGE/ TRANSFORM America.

In a few years you will see them try again but they will change their tactics so they can push their Progressive agenda a few steps further before voters realize what they are up to and vote them out AGAIN. .

Their problem this time was they elected a Pushy narisissist that thought he could complete the change to a Democrat Controled Socialist nanny state and nobody would notice as he was "THE ONE".

When people started questioning his actions he thought he could shut them up by playing the race card. But too many people were asking and people got sick of him playing with that stacked deck and changes the game to Texas Hold him accountable.

It can not be more important to get rid of Obama as if he is re-elected nothing will stop him from finishing what he started. He has proven in his first four years he doesn't care what it costs or what the Voters, Congress or Supreme Court think as he will do as he damn well pleases even if it takes an executive order to bypass them all. The next four years he has already told people how it is going to be when he told the Russians he would have MORE FLEXIBILITY after the election.

To this Obama open mic slip/ statement, I hope the Voters were and are paying attentions as this guy is dangerous and if re-elected he will be even more dangerous as he will not have to face the voters again Voter APPROVAL will mean NOTHING TO HIM and HIS FLEXIBILITY could cost US lives just like his need to leak TOP SECRET info to make himself look good.
 
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Mike said:
‘We’re Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn’t Work’


William Beach

January 14, 2009 at 7:28 pm

“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.”

Sound like, oh, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio or some other exasperated Republican stalwart lamenting proposals to spend our way out of the recession?

Listen again:

“I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises.”

Sound more like a liberal Democrat pushing job creation — say, Harlem’s Rep. Charlie Rangel?

What about this:

“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”

Surely this must be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi or another leading Democrat denouncing President Bush’s economic policies.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong again.

The words are those of none other than Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.

The date: May 9, 1939. The setting: Morgenthau’s appearance in Washington before less influential Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee.

Morgenthau made this “startling confession,” as historian Burton W. Folsom Jr. calls it, during the seventh year of FDR’s New Deal programs to combat the rampant unemployment of the Great Depression.

“In these words, Morgenthau summarized a decade of disaster, especially during the years Roosevelt was in power. Indeed average unemployment for the whole year in 1939 would be higher than that in 1931, the year before Roosevelt captured the presidency from Herbert Hoover,” Folsom writes in his new book, “New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America.”


Comical because going back 20-30 years and before that to FDR's day- President Roosevelt was the most popular President in our area... Many folks up here considered themselves Roosevelt Democrats and claimed they owed being alive and surviving the Great Depression to FDR...
But now most of the old Roosevelt Democrats are dying off...

If you get a chance to watch the PBS show Fort Peck Dam, do so... Interesting story of the huge task of the building of the dam and the shantytowns that sprung up around it when folks from all over Montana and the northwest moved in to work at the only job available at the time...
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
‘We’re Spending More Than Ever and It Doesn’t Work’


William Beach

January 14, 2009 at 7:28 pm

“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.”

Sound like, oh, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio or some other exasperated Republican stalwart lamenting proposals to spend our way out of the recession?

Listen again:

“I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises.”

Sound more like a liberal Democrat pushing job creation — say, Harlem’s Rep. Charlie Rangel?

What about this:

“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”

Surely this must be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi or another leading Democrat denouncing President Bush’s economic policies.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong again.

The words are those of none other than Henry Morgenthau Jr. — close friend, lunch companion, loyal secretary of the Treasury to President Franklin D. Roosevelt — and key architect of FDR’s New Deal.

The date: May 9, 1939. The setting: Morgenthau’s appearance in Washington before less influential Democrats on the House Ways and Means Committee.

Morgenthau made this “startling confession,” as historian Burton W. Folsom Jr. calls it, during the seventh year of FDR’s New Deal programs to combat the rampant unemployment of the Great Depression.

“In these words, Morgenthau summarized a decade of disaster, especially during the years Roosevelt was in power. Indeed average unemployment for the whole year in 1939 would be higher than that in 1931, the year before Roosevelt captured the presidency from Herbert Hoover,” Folsom writes in his new book, “New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR’s Economic Legacy Has Damaged America.”


Comical because going back 20-30 years and before that to FDR's day- President Roosevelt was the most popular President in our area... Many folks up here considered themselves Roosevelt Democrats and claimed they owed being alive and surviving the Great Depression to FDR...
But now most of the old Roosevelt Democrats are dying off...

If you get a chance to watch the PBS show Fort Peck Dam, do so... Interesting story of the huge task of the building of the dam and the shantytowns that sprung up around it when folks from all over Montana and the northwest moved in to work at the only job available at the time...

I know that you absentmindedly give credit to FDR for the Ft.Peck Dam but what you probably don't know is that the dam was already on the drawing board and was planned to be built anyway with, or without him.

FDR didn't go into office until 1933 and the Ft.Peck dam project started that same year. An impossiblity that engineer plans be assembled and work started in such a short period of time given the scope of the project.

So.............giving FDR complete credit for the dam is pretty danged short sighted and downright ignorant given someone familiar & geographically close the the site.

Congress had expressly ordered the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, in
the 308 reports, to investigate “those navigable streams in the United States, and
their tributaries, whereon power development appears feasible and practicable . .

power, clearly gave the Corps the direction to think in terms of entire river basins
rather than isolated projects. Congress put the investigations into law by act in

study right away. District Engineer Captain Theodore Wyman submitted his
555 page report (with 243 charts and a 634 page appendix) in late September
1932 to his Division Engineer in St. Louis.6 Long before that, the Corps began

Peck Dam.7
The Corps made preliminary surveys for the dam in 1928 and then detailed
ones over the next three and one-half years
. These were largely made to
discover the natural processes of basin behavior, the most important of which

did separate studies of each of the 23 major tributaries, and Wyman summarized

the second to the minor tributaries, and the third part summarized all work and
plans for the entire basin.

I suppose FDR had the "Hoover Dam" built also? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just for your info, the Hoover Dam project was initiated in 1920. :roll:
 
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Mike said:
Oldtimer said:


Comical because going back 20-30 years and before that to FDR's day- President Roosevelt was the most popular President in our area... Many folks up here considered themselves Roosevelt Democrats and claimed they owed being alive and surviving the Great Depression to FDR...
But now most of the old Roosevelt Democrats are dying off...

If you get a chance to watch the PBS show Fort Peck Dam, do so... Interesting story of the huge task of the building of the dam and the shantytowns that sprung up around it when folks from all over Montana and the northwest moved in to work at the only job available at the time...

I know that you absentmindedly give credit to FDR for the Ft.Peck Dam but what you probably don't know is that the dam was already on the drawing board and was planned to be built anyway with, or without him.

FDR didn't go into office until 1933 and the Ft.Peck dam project started that same year. An impossiblity that engineer plans be assembled and work started in such a short period of time given the scope of the project.

So.............giving FDR complete credit for the dam is pretty danged short sighted and downright ignorant given someone familiar & geographically close the the site.

Congress had expressly ordered the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, in
the 308 reports, to investigate “those navigable streams in the United States, and
their tributaries, whereon power development appears feasible and practicable . .

power, clearly gave the Corps the direction to think in terms of entire river basins
rather than isolated projects. Congress put the investigations into law by act in

study right away. District Engineer Captain Theodore Wyman submitted his
555 page report (with 243 charts and a 634 page appendix) in late September
1932 to his Division Engineer in St. Louis.6 Long before that, the Corps began

Peck Dam.7
The Corps made preliminary surveys for the dam in 1928 and then detailed
ones over the next three and one-half years
. These were largely made to
discover the natural processes of basin behavior, the most important of which

did separate studies of each of the 23 major tributaries, and Wyman summarized

the second to the minor tributaries, and the third part summarized all work and
plans for the entire basin.

I suppose FDR had the "Hoover Dam" built also? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just for your info, the Hoover Dam project was initiated in 1920. :roll:

I doubt if either the Fort Peck Dam or the Hoover Dam was the original brainchild of either Hoover or FDR-- but since the major work on Fort Peck Dam was during FDR's watch- which gave so many a job and a chance at life after Hoover had brought on the Great Depression and wrecked the country- that in their minds they were forever thankful to FDR and voted Democrat from then on... Many I talked to actually identified themselves as Roosevelt Democrats..

Many of these were folks that droughted out and were forced off of their homesteads by the banks during the 20's and were near starving now with no jobs available...

As I now read many of the livestock and agriculture blogs- I see some of the same thinking come out with folks that before were ranting and raving against government involvement/programs in agriculture and welfare and whatever-- now wanting to know why the government hasn't done more to help livestock producers - or passed a farm bill again protecting crop producers-- giving subsidies and/or disaster payments....

Nothing really changes in politics or weather- just recycles thru history...
 

loomixguy

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A question, Old Whiskeybreath......Why does your party and President treat America's illegals better than they treat America's veterans???

And try not to blame Bush in your answer.
 
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loomixguy said:
A question, Old Whiskeybreath......Why does your party and President treat America's illegals better than they treat America's veterans???

And try not to blame Bush in your answer.

I have no party- and I haven't seen where OUR President was treating Vets badly... I know in the last 6 years my states Senator has worked tiredlessly to get more help for our Vets and Disabled Vets....

I have a son-in-law that is an Iraq War vet- and he has been extremely pleased with the housing loans, training opportunities, and job opportunity the VA has allowed him... In fact he just got back last night from Kansas City from a week of training required because of job promotions...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Many I talked to actually identified themselves as Roosevelt Democrats
We have a few of those kind here too. Mostly they are just poor, ignorant, embiciles that do not have a clue. The rest are just stupid...................
 

loomixguy

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
loomixguy said:
A question, Old Whiskeybreath......Why does your party and President treat America's illegals better than they treat America's veterans???

And try not to blame Bush in your answer.

I have no party-

Your posts allude otherwise...And I never voted for YOUR President.
 
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