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Steve

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There are so many different ways the liberals are stomping on this story and some hapless GOP moderates seem hellbent on helping them...

Barack Obama’s Lawyer Lies About Spying on Trump

I think Donald Trump made a blunder in his early morning tweet when he claimed that Barack Obama ordered “wiretaps” of Trump and his staff operating from Trump Tower. He was right about the fact that Obama and his crew were acting with hostility towards Trump and trying to wreck his Presidency. But President Trump was wrong about the specifics. That gave Barack Obama and his team an opening and they pounced quickly.

Neither Barack Obama nor anyone at the “WHITE HOUSE” ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. That is true. Ask a different question and ask it under oath. In fact, ask several questions:

Was Barack Obama ever informed that senior leaders of his Intelligence Community had received information collected by British intelligence sources that provided information on Donald Trump and members of his campaign team?

Did Barack Obama give the greenlight for this material to be used in ways that fall outside the legal boundaries?

Did Barack Obama or any members of his senior team ever discuss how to take steps to prevent Donald Trump from taking the oath of office?

If this questions are asked, and asked under oath, there is a very good chance that the answer to each would be yes.

This article pulls together several key components of the entire story.
Do we have circumstantial evidence that information like this on people around Trump made its way from the UK to US intelligence agencies? Perhaps. I think it is worth noting that Donald Trump took the oath of office on Friday, 20 January 2017 and that three days later, on Monday 23 January 2017, the head of GHCQ suddenly and mysteriously resigned:

Robert Hannigan, head of Britain’s electronic intelligence agency, GCHQ, has announced his early resignation.

In a letter to Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, sent on Monday, Mr Hannigan said it was “the right time to move on”. Sources close to Mr Hannigan, 51, said the decision was taken for personal reasons.

GCHQ’s directors do not follow fixed terms in office but Mr Hannigan had been expected to serve at least four years in the job, as is typical for Britain’s other spy chiefs. Mr Hannigan’s predecessor, Sir Iain Lobban, led the agency for six years. Sir Iain is now a prominent cyber security adviser to a number of large companies, including Shell and Standard Chartered. Mr Hannigan took over as director in November 2014 after the Edward Snowden revelations with a promise to foster a culture of greater openness and public engagement at the secretive organisation based in Cheltenham.

Now, it is possible that this was a mere coincidence. But I do not believe in coincidences. Instead, I believe it is more likely that the UK’s Prime Minister became aware that info from the GHCQ was collected and passed to the United States. Did she discover this and alert the Donald Trump? Or did someone in the United States, like Admiral Rogers, alert Donald Trump and he had word passed to Prime Minister May? We do not yet know the answer to those questions.
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/79626/barack-obamas-lawyer-lies-spying-trump/

hopefully Trumps team understand the issues.. because our media doesn't.
 

Tam

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Like I said in other thread the US better hope and Pray that they still have friends in the UK willing to expose the plan to destroy President Trump or Obama is going to get away with his corruption.

Nunes and the rest of the Republican committee members need to take a few lessons on body language so they know how to read Clapper and Brennen when they start lying as we all know they will. Better yet have a professional body reader in the hearing room hooked to a ear wig telling them if they are getting to the truth or if the scumbags are holding out. If they lie slap cuffs on them and march them out to show the rest what happens when you cover for Obama. Put the fear of a prison term for perjury on the table and stop allowing these people to get away with lying to the Congress. The US has had 8 years of people lying under oath to Congressional hearing, it is time someone is PROSECUTED. No more referrals to FBI to investigate just slap the cuffs on and be done with it.

FOX has Nigal Farage, a UK politican, on all the time so it is time they pull a few favours in and get him to start an investigation in the UK to get to the bottom of what Mr. Hannigan was doing to provide Obama with Trump transcripts.I somehow doubt a UK citizen is going to go to prison for Obama like his minions are willing to do here in the US.
 

Tam

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another interesting conversation with a ex CIA officer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjj6WhuJMNk
 

Traveler

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Another great video! All of this is going to hang over the head of the Buckwheat Regime legacy irregardless of what narrative they put out......or the "official liberal media" findings. The seed has been planted.
 

Traveler

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Sharyl Attkisson makes the case that it's highly likely and very doable.

http://patriotretort.com/sharyl-attkisson-makes-case/

Watch the video.
 

Tam

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There is a good share of the US that are going to listen to the stories about how Obama could have done it and how he did it to others including media people and Congressmen and no matter what the lame Congressional Hearings find they are never going to forget that possibility that Obama's Adm . did it considering all the corruption that was reported for the last 8 years. We all know that the left will spin this to cover it up but there are a LOT of people providing information of how it was done to them and could have been done to Trump.

Trump needs to get rid of Comey as if this is not investigated with a fresh FBIeye Comey is likely to bury it like he did with the Hillary Clinton investigation. We can pray that the FBI agents that revolted after the Hillary investigations will keep Comey honest.
 

Steve

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Traveler said:
https://www.infowars.com/nsa-documents-prove-surveillance-on-donald-trump-and-alex-jones/

looking over the list it is understandable that some Trump associates were part of investigations, financial ect, but what is distrubing is using investigations to dig for dirt and info on the candidate. Data mining is big business and the government or goverment employees should NOT be involved.

add in that the WH can now have access thanks to obama free secrets EO, now they can get more info to use against their political counterparts.. downright Orwellian..
 

Tam

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They keep talking about how few people had access to the NSA info about Flynn's name in the Russia conversation but just how few is that after Obama and Lynch tossed open the doors and allowed all Intel agencies to see in? How few is that when the UK and maybe other countries share the info that the NSA collects.Remember Napolitano explained that Obama did not need to get the info from NSA and risk a paper trail back to him all he had to do was ask the UK Spy agencies to hand it over.

Sara Carter at Circa is investigating the warrants requested and I hope she can find a trail back to Obama. That aside one of Obama own speech writers tweeted not to take Obama's reply to Trump's tweet as evidence it didn't happen only that Obama didn't order it. Then you have the insider tell a very liberal reporter who reported it on FOX that she knew the White House knew about the "Wiretapping" as it was talked about at the WH. If this is true then what did Obama do to encourage the actions or stop the illegal actions?????

Rand Paul was on Cavuto and said he believes there was no doubt surveillance was done and we have evidence of it as they illegally leaked Flynn's name and how did they know that name if they were not surveilling Trump campaign.

It is a felony to leak the name but is should also be a felony to unmask Flynn's name. Only the top of the top in the intel agencies can unmask a persons name and they better have a criminal charge to back the unmasking if they are going to request it be done. Since Flynn has not been charged what was the reasoning besides POLITICS to unmask one of Trump campaign people's names. What other than politics made the person go to Obama and warn him that one of Trump's guys might be open to blackmail since he lied about talking about sanctions with Russia?

The political stink on this whole topic is enough to choke a horse. We all know there was surveillance and Obama knew about it and did nothing to stop it as any information he could get to stop Trump's campaign the better chance his legacy was going to survive once his corrupt buddy was elected and put in the WH to destroy all the evidence and we know how Hillary likes to destroy evidence to protect the Dems agenda.
 

Steve

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Rand Paul was on Cavuto and said he believes there was no doubt surveillance was done

What is interesting if not the most frustrating part of this is liberals and the medias inability to connect two dots..

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html?_r=0
F.B.I. Is Investigating Trump’s Russia Ties, Comey Confirms

By MATT APUZZO, MATTHEW ROSENBERG and EMMARIE HUETTEMAN MARCH 20, 2017

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, took the extraordinary step on Monday of announcing that the agency is investigating whether members of President Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

Mr. Comey’s testimony on Monday was the first public acknowledgment of the case. The F.B.I. discloses its investigations only in rare circumstances, when officials believe it is in the public interest.

American officials have said that they have so far found no proof of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, but current and former officials say they have uncovered evidence that Mr. Trump’s associates were in repeated contact with Russian officials — including people linked to Russian intelligence.

Mr. Comey did not say when he expected his investigation to end or whether he planned to make the results public, prompting Republicans to complain that prolonging it would keep a cloud over the White House.

“The longer this hangs out there, the bigger the cloud,” said Representative Devin Nunes of California, the Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee. “If you have evidence, especially as it relates to people working in the White House or in the administration, that is information we really should know.”

nope, no "wiretapping"... WT? how can you investigate, and uncover without investigating? so from July till now, the have been investigating Trump campaign collusion with the Russians and still are... but they did not do any surveillance of the trump campaign people? Really?

How can you investigate one half, somehow leak the half supposedly not being investigated, and still claim you are not and did not have them under surveillance?

are liberal that blind to facts? are they that blind to the obvious?

This is the NY Times headline after Comey testified..
F.B.I. Is Investigating Trump’s Russia Ties, Comey Confirms

Yet he has no evidence Trump was spied upon.. .maybe a mirror would help? :roll: :roll: :? :???:

:???: :?
 

Tam

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they have uncovered evidence that Mr. Trump’s associates were in repeated contact with Russian officials — including people linked to Russian intelligence.

How in the he() did they uncover this evidence if they were not surveilling Trump's associates?????

Again the New York Times and other liberal outlets reported they were wiretapping, Hillary tweeted about it and her campaign manager Robby Mook was on FOX just the other day talking about the Intel community showing them transcripts of conversations between Trump associates and Russia, BUT Comey testifies they have no evidence of surveillance being done on Trump and his associates. Yea RIGHT The man is corrupt and Trump needs to get rid of him or have the DOJ assign somebody else to case as Comey has history with the prior Admin. that could and likely is clouding his judgement.

I still have to wonder why Yates was asked to testify and not Lynch since Lynch was AG and likely pulled FISA warrants for Obama and Hillary to help Hillary win election and protect Obama's legacy.
 
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