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Steve Dittmer and SH must be brothers!!

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Anonymous

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Heres part of an interview with Dittmer that cattlenetwork did...Apparently he and SH are of the same bloodlines- half a page of BS saying nothing- No facts...still no who, how, and how much ? Who makes up the foundation and the council? Who are these Board of Directors? Why the secrecy on who they are :???:

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Let’s go straight to an important question that goes to the heart of your credibility. It’s been said that you’re a one-man lobbying foundation financed by the American Meat Institute, Tyson and a few other major packers. Is that true and if it is, what impact does it have on your opinions?



Some folks deflect attention from their inability to fight facts by speculating on peripheral questions. Those who think a few packers are funding AFF are not correct. The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end. This question goes to the heart of what AFF is about – we believe in preserving free market options for everyone in the chain. That list includes restaurant chains, retail chains and packers, as well as ranchers and feeders. Our Sentinel columns (our e-newsletter) are reviewed by an AFF Editorial Committee, so while they reflect my personal beliefs, they also reflect the thinking and judgment of key AFF industry participants and observers. Our goals and philosophy are set by a Board of Directors and Advisory Council made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators. I find it perplexing that people who believe in the true free market system are automatically categorized by some folks as somehow being connected to packers. The free market system enables everyone in the food production chain to adapt and innovate to serve the consumer.
 

Tam

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Let’s go straight to an important question that goes to the heart of your credibility. It’s been said that you’re a one-man lobbying foundation financed by the American Meat Institute, Tyson and a few other major packers. Is that true and if it is, what impact does it have on your opinions?



Some folks deflect attention from their inability to fight facts by speculating on peripheral questions. Those who think a few packers are funding AFF are not correct. The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end. This question goes to the heart of what AFF is about – we believe in preserving free market options for everyone in the chain. That list includes restaurant chains, retail chains and packers, as well as ranchers and feeders. Our Sentinel columns (our e-newsletter) are reviewed by an AFF Editorial Committee, so while they reflect my personal beliefs, they also reflect the thinking and judgment of key AFF industry participants and observers. Our goals and philosophy are set by a Board of Directors and Advisory Council made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators. I find it perplexing that people who believe in the true free market system are automatically categorized by some folks as somehow being connected to packers. The free market system enables everyone in the food production chain to adapt and innovate to serve the consumer

Gee We have been told how many times that AFF is a one man PR show from a few on this website but according to the man himself, AFF has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ADVISORY COUNCIL made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators that are grounded in CATTLE PRODUCTION!!!!!!! :shock:
Thanks for posting this Oldtimer you just proved Dittmer is not a ONE MAN SHOW PAID FOR BY THE PACKERS. :wink: :D :D
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam, "Gee We have been told how many times that AFF is a one man PR show from a few on this website but according to the man himself, AFF has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ADVISORY COUNCIL made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators that are grounded in CATTLE PRODUCTION!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting this Oldtimer you just proved Dittmer is not a ONE MAN SHOW PAID FOR BY THE PACKERS. "

Oh, geeeeeeeze, Tam! You've got to be kidding me! You take this man's word as gospel in spite of all the other nonsense he spews! He's not a one-man show just because he says he isn't? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Where is this board of directors? Who is on the advisory council? Where is any PROOF that Dittmer is anything other than a paid hack?
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Let’s go straight to an important question that goes to the heart of your credibility. It’s been said that you’re a one-man lobbying foundation financed by the American Meat Institute, Tyson and a few other major packers. Is that true and if it is, what impact does it have on your opinions?



Some folks deflect attention from their inability to fight facts by speculating on peripheral questions. Those who think a few packers are funding AFF are not correct. The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end. This question goes to the heart of what AFF is about – we believe in preserving free market options for everyone in the chain. That list includes restaurant chains, retail chains and packers, as well as ranchers and feeders. Our Sentinel columns (our e-newsletter) are reviewed by an AFF Editorial Committee, so while they reflect my personal beliefs, they also reflect the thinking and judgment of key AFF industry participants and observers. Our goals and philosophy are set by a Board of Directors and Advisory Council made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators. I find it perplexing that people who believe in the true free market system are automatically categorized by some folks as somehow being connected to packers. The free market system enables everyone in the food production chain to adapt and innovate to serve the consumer

Gee We have been told how many times that AFF is a one man PR show from a few on this website but according to the man himself, AFF has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ADVISORY COUNCIL made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators that are grounded in CATTLE PRODUCTION!!!!!!! :shock:
Thanks for posting this Oldtimer you just proved Dittmer is not a ONE MAN SHOW PAID FOR BY THE PACKERS. :wink: :D :D

If thats proof to you - I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you :wink: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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OT,

Hey big talkin' "presumption of guilt" law man, how about providing some proof that Dittmer it truly a "one man show"???

What's wrong? Can't come up with it? Rather create the "ILLUSION" than support the allegation again huh?

All foam and no beer from the blaming side of the industry again huh?


Why can't you refute anything I have presented with opposing facts OT? Rather take the "cheap talk" discrediting route again huh?

If it wasn't for cheap talk unsupported by facts, whiskey drinking blamers like you wouldn't have anything to bring to the table.


~SH~
 

the chief

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
OT,

Hey big talkin' "presumption of guilt" law man, how about providing some proof that Dittmer it truly a "one man show"???

What's wrong? Can't come up with it? Rather create the "ILLUSION" than support the allegation again huh?

All foam and no beer from the blaming side of the industry again huh?


Why can't you refute anything I have presented with opposing facts OT? Rather take the "cheap talk" discrediting route again huh?

If it wasn't for cheap talk unsupported by facts, whiskey drinking blamers like you wouldn't have anything to bring to the table.


~SH~

Scott, I and many others, I am sure, Have been to his website. There are NO directors listed! No one else but him in the staff bios.

So, since we have NO way of offering proof to your "catch-22" proposition, why don't you be man enough to show us a list of directors, other staff members, etc.

Don't try to put the burden on us. His website doesn't offer any help. But I am sure that with your VAST KNOWLEDGE and connections, you have the wherewithall to do so.

Thanks in advance.

Chief
 

Tam

Well-known member
the chief said:
~SH~ said:
OT,

Hey big talkin' "presumption of guilt" law man, how about providing some proof that Dittmer it truly a "one man show"???

What's wrong? Can't come up with it? Rather create the "ILLUSION" than support the allegation again huh?

All foam and no beer from the blaming side of the industry again huh?


Why can't you refute anything I have presented with opposing facts OT? Rather take the "cheap talk" discrediting route again huh?

If it wasn't for cheap talk unsupported by facts, whiskey drinking blamers like you wouldn't have anything to bring to the table.


~SH~

Scott, I and many others, I am sure, Have been to his website. There are NO directors listed! No one else but him in the staff bios.

So, since we have NO way of offering proof to your "catch-22" proposition, why don't you be man enough to show us a list of directors, other staff members, etc.

Don't try to put the burden on us. His website doesn't offer any help. But I am sure that with your VAST KNOWLEDGE and connections, you have the wherewithall to do so.

Thanks in advance.

Chief
I thought it has been said on here many times if you make a claim you back it up with proof. Sandhusker has made the claim he is a ONE MAN SHOW along with a few other so isn't it up to them to PROVE IT. This is another what is good for the goose thing. Prove it or quit claiming it.
 

the chief

Well-known member
TAM WROTE BOTH OF THESE IN THIS TOPIC:

Gee We have been told how many times that AFF is a one man PR show from a few on this website but according to the man himself, AFF has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND ADVISORY COUNCIL made up of some of the beef industry’s leading participants and innovators that are grounded in CATTLE PRODUCTION!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting this Oldtimer you just proved Dittmer is not a ONE MAN SHOW PAID FOR BY THE PACKERS.


I thought it has been said on here many times if you make a claim you back it up with proof. Sandhusker has made the claim he is a ONE MAN SHOW along with a few other so isn't it up to them to PROVE IT. This is another what is good for the goose thing. Prove it or quit claiming it.

In the first post, Tam, you state that Dittmer is NOT a one man show and has a board and an advisory council.
Second post, you say the person making the claim has to PROVE IT.

So as you stated, PROVE IT OR QUIT CLAIMING IT!

Now, I'm sure we will see another tap dance from TAm or SH, but if you can't defute the fact that Steve Dittmer lists no one else as staff nor lists anyone as a Board or Advisory council, then he is most likely a "ONE MAN SHOW" as so many have stated. Since he is the only man listed and he is the only one to say there are more involved, then I can only assume that he is lying until he can PROVE otherwise.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Tam, "I thought it has been said on here many times if you make a claim you back it up with proof. Sandhusker has made the claim he is a ONE MAN SHOW along with a few other so isn't it up to them to PROVE IT. This is another what is good for the goose thing. Prove it or quit claiming it"

What will you accept as proof, Tam? How does one prove the non-existance of somebody?
 
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Anonymous

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Chief,

You blamers are the ones trying to spin this. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. You blamers are making the claim that Dittmer is a "one man show". Dittmer states otherwise. So BACK YOUR ALLEGATION.

It's not up to Tam or I to disprove your allegation. That's more of the same old "PRESUMPTION OF GUILT" bullsh*t that comes from the blaming side of the industry.

BRING THE PROOF THAT DITTMER IS A ONE MAN SHOW or prove that you can't and you just shot your mouth off with yet another baseless unsupported allegation.


Sandbag: "What will you accept as proof, Tam? How does one prove the non-existance of somebody?"

If you didn't have proof for your "one man show" allegation from the start, what the hell were you basing your allegation on?

A NEED TO DISCREDIT SOMEONE WHO SHINES THE LIGHT OF TRUTH ON R-CULT?


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Quote:
Sandbag: "What will you accept as proof, Tam? How does one prove the non-existance of somebody?"


SH, "If you didn't have proof for your "one man show" allegation from the start, what the hell were you basing your allegation on? A NEED TO DISCREDIT SOMEONE WHO SHINES THE LIGHT OF TRUTH ON R-CULT? "

What will you accept as proof?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandbag: "What will you accept as proof?"

I'll take that question as your admission that you never had any proof that Dittmer was a "one man show". Typical!

I would accept as proof Dittmer's admission that he is a "one man show" when he fails to provide the names of those who serve on his board.

If those names can be provided, will you have the integrity to admit that you lied about Dittmer being a "one man show"???


~SH~
 
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Anonymous

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SH- your "innocent until proven guilty" only fits in the courtroom-- out in the real world that doesn't fly....I can just see Coke telling someone it is up to you to prove we aren't better then Pepsi....

Here in the interview Dittmer and his "Foundation" were challenged and told his credibility was in doubt- he still did nothing to alleviate that doubt about his credibility...No info- No facts- Nothing....Just SH type BS spin....

Sorry but those backroom, under the table outfits are not the type I want to business with or accept for my info sources...
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
SH, "I would accept as proof Dittmer's admission that he is a "one man show" when he fails to provide the names of those who serve on his board"

Proof has already been provided - he had his chance in the interview.
 
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Anonymous

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Yeh, just as I suspected, "ALL FOAM AND NO BEER" again.

Nothing but cheap talk and diversion!

I knew you guys couldn't back your assertion that Dittmer was a "one man show" but you'll do anything to create that "ILLUSION" like the illusionists you are.


Sandbag: "Proof has already been provided - he had his chance in the interview."

Bull!

Nothing has been provided but another of your many "ILLUSIONS".


OT: "Here in the interview Dittmer and his "Foundation" were challenged and told his credibility was in doubt- he still did nothing to alleviate that doubt about his credibility...No info- No facts- Nothing....Just SH type BS spin...."

Why should he have to defend his credibility from the likes of packer blamers and import blamers like you????

Either you can prove that he's a "ONE MAN SHOW" or you shot your mouth off about something you knew nothing about again like the follower you are.


OT: "Sorry but those backroom, under the table outfits are not the type I want to business with or accept for my info sources..."

Hahaha!

Yeh, let's hitch our wagon to the blaming outfit that overstates the affect of imports, understates the value of exports, over states packer profits, continually looks for a conspiracy theory to justify lower cattle prices, questions the value of beef promotion, research and education, risks the integrity of 80% of our US beef consumption by lying about the affects of BSE to stop the importation of 10% of our US beef consumption, and makes a handful of lawyers rich when they get their heads handed to them in court. HEY, BUT WE CAN BE ACCEPTED BY OUR FELLOW BLAMERS AT THE LOCAL PUB!!!

You bet OT, real independent thinking there...........ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!



~SH~
 

Econ101

Well-known member
~SH~ said:
Yeh, just as I suspected, "ALL FOAM AND NO BEER" again.

Nothing but cheap talk and diversion!

I knew you guys couldn't back your assertion that Dittmer was a "one man show" but you'll do anything to create that "ILLUSION" like the illusionists you are.


Sandbag: "Proof has already been provided - he had his chance in the interview."

Bull!

Nothing has been provided but another of your many "ILLUSIONS".


OT: "Here in the interview Dittmer and his "Foundation" were challenged and told his credibility was in doubt- he still did nothing to alleviate that doubt about his credibility...No info- No facts- Nothing....Just SH type BS spin...."

Why should he have to defend his credibility from the likes of packer blamers and import blamers like you????

Either you can prove that he's a "ONE MAN SHOW" or you shot your mouth off about something you knew nothing about again like the follower you are.


OT: "Sorry but those backroom, under the table outfits are not the type I want to business with or accept for my info sources..."

Hahaha!

Yeh, let's hitch our wagon to the blaming outfit that overstates the affect of imports, understates the value of exports, over states packer profits, continually looks for a conspiracy theory to justify lower cattle prices, questions the value of beef promotion, research and education, risks the integrity of 80% of our US beef consumption by lying about the affects of BSE to stop the importation of 10% of our US beef consumption, and makes a handful of lawyers rich when they get their heads handed to them in court. HEY, BUT WE CAN BE ACCEPTED BY OUR FELLOW BLAMERS AT THE LOCAL PUB!!!

You bet OT, real independent thinking there...........ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz!



~SH~

If Dittmer will not be candid about his funding sources especially when asked, his credibility should be questioned. If it sounds like bogus packer rhetoric and then he is questioned on his outfit and then does not answer, people can make their own assumption that he is a paid packer propagandist.
 

the chief

Well-known member
SH wrote:
Chief,

You blamers are the ones trying to spin this. The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused. You blamers are making the claim that Dittmer is a "one man show". Dittmer states otherwise. So BACK YOUR ALLEGATION.

It's not up to Tam or I to disprove your allegation. That's more of the same old "PRESUMPTION OF GUILT" bullsh*t that comes from the blaming side of the industry.

You know what, SH? I can't prove God exists either. I know it in my heart and in my soul that God is there for me, but I cannot for the life of me prove to you that God exists. He is not visible to the naked eye; He does not talk to anyone "out loud" so that others may hear Him; He only exists in my mind, heart and soul.

OH! Dumb ol' me! Now I know who Steve Dittmer's Board and fellow staff members are: GOD. Neither can be proven to exist.

YOU WIN! :roll:
 

Tam

Well-known member
Chief-- Why should I have to prove anything I believe what I read in this article which is that he has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE and that he is funded by multiple sectors of the beef production chain that are grounded in the cattle production end. I not the one making the accusation of Dittmer being a ONE MAN SHOW everytime one of his articles is posted. So it is time for those that say he is to PROVE IT. Prove Dittmer is lieing about his BOARD OF DIRECTORS or stop making these claims about him.

eCON--.what part of this means just packers to you
The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end.
I thought we were told grass root producers produce CATTLE and packers produce beef so who is grounded in the CATTLE PRODUCTION END?????

Sandhusker-- why don't you just ask the man? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands so why don't you email AFF and ask. If you don't get the information you want do like you do on Ranchers badger, bet and name call until he breaks. :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Chief-- Why should I have to prove anything I believe what I read in this article which is that he has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE and that he is funded by multiple sectors of the beef production chain that are grounded in the cattle production end. I not the one making the accusation of Dittmer being a ONE MAN SHOW everytime one of his articles is posted. So it is time for those that say he is to PROVE IT. Prove Dittmer is lieing about his BOARD OF DIRECTORS or stop making these claims about him.

eCON--.what part of this means just packers to you
The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end.
I thought we were told grass root producers produce CATTLE and packers produce beef so who is grounded in the CATTLE PRODUCTION END?????

Sandhusker-- why don't you just ask the man? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands so why don't you email AFF and ask. If you don't get the information you want do like you do on Ranchers badger, bet and name call until he breaks. :wink:

Tam- Did your shares in Tyson/Lakeside take a hit today-- Or did this wind ground your broom :???: :wink: :lol:
 

Tam

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Chief-- Why should I have to prove anything I believe what I read in this article which is that he has a BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE and that he is funded by multiple sectors of the beef production chain that are grounded in the cattle production end. I not the one making the accusation of Dittmer being a ONE MAN SHOW everytime one of his articles is posted. So it is time for those that say he is to PROVE IT. Prove Dittmer is lieing about his BOARD OF DIRECTORS or stop making these claims about him.

eCON--.what part of this means just packers to you
The people funding AFF are involved in multiple sectors of the beef production chain but are grounded in the cattle production end.
I thought we were told grass root producers produce CATTLE and packers produce beef so who is grounded in the CATTLE PRODUCTION END?????

Sandhusker-- why don't you just ask the man? You seem to have a lot of time on your hands so why don't you email AFF and ask. If you don't get the information you want do like you do on Ranchers badger, bet and name call until he breaks. :wink:

Tam- Did your shares in Tyson/Lakeside take a hit today-- Or did this wind ground your broom :???: :wink: :lol:

Did you miss the truck going to the corner pub or are you just trying to distract from the topic again? :roll:
 
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