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Stolen Delegates

Mike

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Stealing Delegates, Stealing Nominations
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 8 February 2008 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)


Posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Congressman Billybob


The first state results to be reported on Super Tuesday came from the Republican Caucus in West Virginia. The result was that Mike Huckabee got all the delegates from that state to the Republican Convention. What makes the story really interesting is, HOW he got those delegates.

From the report I have, here’s how the delegates voted in round one:

* Romney 464 * Huckabee 375 * McCain 176 * Paul 118

Ron Paul, who got the fewest votes, was dropped from the ballot for the next round of voting. The results then became:

* Huckabee 524 * Romney 479 * McCain 11

Anyone who can count to twenty without removing his socks can see what happened. McCain’s operatives saw that they were going nowhere in West Virginia. So they instructed their people to give the state to Huckabee. And most of their delegates obeyed that order.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ran this title on the story: “Wild and Wonderful Win for Huckabee.” That title is false. This was a “Down and Dirty Win for McCain.” Huckabee is going nowhere. Eventually, at the Republican Convention if not before, Huckabee’s candidacy will fold like a cheap lawn chair. At that point, who will get those West Virginia delegates?

If you guessed Mitt Romney, I’ll allow you another guess. John McCain has just stolen the votes of West Virginia by giving them, temporarily, to his ally in the theft, Mike Huckabee. By the way, national convention delegates must vote as they were pledged when elected, depending on state laws. I understand that none remain bound beyond the third roll-call vote.

As the saying goes, politics ain’t beanbag. What was just done in West Virginia is entirely legal. But it smells as bad as a dumpster full of day-old crab shells behind Phillips Crab House in Ocean City, Maryland, in mid-July. Believe you me, that is REALLY rank.

If the delegates from West Virginia are enough to put McCain over the top, then McCain has just stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.

Well, has anything similar happening among the Democrats? Just by coincidence, it has.

In order to preserve the special status of the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, the Democratic National Committee required that no other state conduct its Democrat primaries before a certain date in 2008. Democrats in Florida and Michigan decided to move their primaries up in violation of that limit.

The DNC then “stripped” the delegates from both states for the Convention. No delegates were then elected in the “beauty contest primaries” in those two states. Democrat candidates had also pledged not to campaign in those states, and in Michigan, Hillary Clinton was the only major candidate to leave her name on the state ballot.

Well, Hillary Clinton won both of those states. After those non-delegate elections, she wrote a letter to the DNC demanding that delegates for her from those states be seated at the Convention. The rest of this discussion is somewhat obscure, but I guarantee it is correct. I speak as the former Parliamentarian for a national political convention. (The convention was for Ross Perot’s Reform Party. But the principles of operating a convention are the same, regardless of the candidate’s chance of winning the coming election.)

When the Democrats meet in Convention in the summer, initially no delegates from Florida or Michigan will be seated. But let’s say at that point that Hillary Clinton has a majority of the seated delegates, but not the absolute majority of all authorized delegates which is required for nomination. You with me so far?

Who gets to decide whether Hillary Clinton delegates from Florida and Michigan get seated? Why, it’s the delegates who are already seated, that’s who. In that circumstance, Hillary can use her plurality on the floor to steal the delegates from those two states. Having done that, she will have stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.

In short, there is a possibility that the 2008 presidential election may be unique in American history. Before 2008, nominations have been stolen. Elections have been stolen (recall the Hayes-Tilden race of 1876). But never before have two candidates, both of whom stole their nominations, faced each other in a general election.

If the vote tallies are tight at both the Republican and Democrat national conventions, it is possible we might see that unique circumstance, two election thieves facing each other with one guaranteed to win, between John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

Sorta makes you proud to be an American, don’t it?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. [email protected] He lives in the 11th Congressional District of North Carolina.

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Hanta Yo

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Mike said:
Stealing Delegates, Stealing Nominations
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 8 February 2008 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)


Posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Congressman Billybob


The first state results to be reported on Super Tuesday came from the Republican Caucus in West Virginia. The result was that Mike Huckabee got all the delegates from that state to the Republican Convention. What makes the story really interesting is, HOW he got those delegates.

From the report I have, here’s how the delegates voted in round one:

* Romney 464 * Huckabee 375 * McCain 176 * Paul 118

Ron Paul, who got the fewest votes, was dropped from the ballot for the next round of voting. The results then became:

* Huckabee 524 * Romney 479 * McCain 11

Anyone who can count to twenty without removing his socks can see what happened. McCain’s operatives saw that they were going nowhere in West Virginia. So they instructed their people to give the state to Huckabee. And most of their delegates obeyed that order.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ran this title on the story: “Wild and Wonderful Win for Huckabee.” That title is false. This was a “Down and Dirty Win for McCain.” Huckabee is going nowhere. Eventually, at the Republican Convention if not before, Huckabee’s candidacy will fold like a cheap lawn chair. At that point, who will get those West Virginia delegates?

If you guessed Mitt Romney, I’ll allow you another guess. John McCain has just stolen the votes of West Virginia by giving them, temporarily, to his ally in the theft, Mike Huckabee. By the way, national convention delegates must vote as they were pledged when elected, depending on state laws. I understand that none remain bound beyond the third roll-call vote.

As the saying goes, politics ain’t beanbag. What was just done in West Virginia is entirely legal. But it smells as bad as a dumpster full of day-old crab shells behind Phillips Crab House in Ocean City, Maryland, in mid-July. Believe you me, that is REALLY rank.

If the delegates from West Virginia are enough to put McCain over the top, then McCain has just stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.

Well, has anything similar happening among the Democrats? Just by coincidence, it has.

In order to preserve the special status of the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, the Democratic National Committee required that no other state conduct its Democrat primaries before a certain date in 2008. Democrats in Florida and Michigan decided to move their primaries up in violation of that limit.

The DNC then “stripped” the delegates from both states for the Convention. No delegates were then elected in the “beauty contest primaries” in those two states. Democrat candidates had also pledged not to campaign in those states, and in Michigan, Hillary Clinton was the only major candidate to leave her name on the state ballot.

Well, Hillary Clinton won both of those states. After those non-delegate elections, she wrote a letter to the DNC demanding that delegates for her from those states be seated at the Convention. The rest of this discussion is somewhat obscure, but I guarantee it is correct. I speak as the former Parliamentarian for a national political convention. (The convention was for Ross Perot’s Reform Party. But the principles of operating a convention are the same, regardless of the candidate’s chance of winning the coming election.)

When the Democrats meet in Convention in the summer, initially no delegates from Florida or Michigan will be seated. But let’s say at that point that Hillary Clinton has a majority of the seated delegates, but not the absolute majority of all authorized delegates which is required for nomination. You with me so far?

Who gets to decide whether Hillary Clinton delegates from Florida and Michigan get seated? Why, it’s the delegates who are already seated, that’s who. In that circumstance, Hillary can use her plurality on the floor to steal the delegates from those two states. Having done that, she will have stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.

In short, there is a possibility that the 2008 presidential election may be unique in American history. Before 2008, nominations have been stolen. Elections have been stolen (recall the Hayes-Tilden race of 1876). But never before have two candidates, both of whom stole their nominations, faced each other in a general election.

If the vote tallies are tight at both the Republican and Democrat national conventions, it is possible we might see that unique circumstance, two election thieves facing each other with one guaranteed to win, between John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

Sorta makes you proud to be an American, don’t it?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. [email protected] He lives in the 11th Congressional District of North Carolina.

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You hit that nail right on. Our caucus last night was 3 hours...visiting, then everyone who wanted to stand up and tell us who they prefer we vote for, comments, etc, then vote at 8 PM. Your post, Steve was brought up. I'm sick of dirty politics :mad: even if it is legal :mad:

Looky here:

McCain claims Treasure in rural vote
By BECKY SHAY
Of The Gazette Staff

HYSHAM - John McCain won the Treasure County Republican caucus with more than half of the 23 ballots cast.

The Arizona senator received 13 votes in the caucus, which was held in Bob and Pat Miller's farmhouse.

Treasure County Commis-sioner Marlo Moehr said he voted for McCain and predicted early that the senator would carry the county.

"Beings he's going to be the president of the United States, he should win Treasure County," Moehr said about halfway through the two-hour caucus. Sheriff Wayne Robison was the only one of the 24 eligible voters who didn't attend the small Treasure County caucus. Committee Chairman Waine Milmine said the sheriff had a call he couldn't leave.

The ballots were placed in a red ballot box that remained locked until counting time at 6 p.m. Mitt Romney received eight votes and Mike Huckabee got two. Ron Paul and Alan Keyes did not receive any votes.

While party officials had done their homework to make sure the caucus ran smoothly, there was some uncertainty. After all, it was a first-time event.

"People are asking us, 'What are you doing?' " Pat Miller said while she arranged a table full of food for the event.

There was a procedure established by the state party that helped. The voters - elected Republicans, central committee officers and precinct people - signed in on a roster and took a ballot. Just as in other elections, they filled in an oval next to the candidate of their choice and dropped it in the ballot box.

Milmine started the caucus by holding up a small American flag and leading the group in the Pledge of Allegiance. He gave a brief overview of the voting and warned them: "You can't leave the building with the ballot."

County Commissioner Doug Hollowell was the first to sign in and to cast his ballot. Hollowell said he thought the caucus was "a great deal." The benefit, he said, is that those casting votes were aware of the issues and would vote for the candidate each thought would address those issues. He voted for McCain.

Milmine had collected presidential and state candidate literature and spread it out on a table for people to review. Paul's campaign sent him a "bundle of materials" and Romney's camp had been "active" in mailing information. However, there was "not a single thing from McCain," Milmine said.

Roger Knapp, a former county commissioner, said the caucus is good at the local level because it helps fill party office seats. However, it left some people unhappy that they weren't eligible to vote to narrow the presidential field in their party, he said.

Precinct committeewoman Mae Spannagel said she had to study the caucus before deciding it was something that should be done. Because Montana's June primary is late in the presidential nomination process, voting been a dilemma for Spannagel because "it's already over."

"We go to vote and we know that our votes mean absolutely nothing," she said.

Spannagel wouldn't say whom she voted for. But she said she was proud to be part of the caucus. "I feel that maybe these votes mean something," she said.


The ballots were placed in a red ballot box that remained locked until counting time at 6 p.m.

Looks to me they didn't have a discussion period where the general public had any input...they were supposed to have their votes to Helena no later than 8:15 PM.....and they were counting ballots at 6:00? And they had this at someone's house? This sure smells fishy to me :?
 

fff

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All the Republican candidates are supporting Bush's war in Iraq and his failed fiscal policies because polls show a majority of registered Republicans still like and support Bush. And that's who is voting in the Republican primaries. After someone get's the nomination, he can change his stand.
 

Steve

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It took me a little while to find popular vote numbers... and the source says that as absentee ballots and totals are not finished the final number will change

but the result is somewhat shocking... McCain with over 680 delegates acording to CNN ...

yet the popular vote....

McCain, John S. 4,780,044
Romney, Mitt 4,059,062

Huckabee, Mike 2,378,244

Party rules, delegate counts equal fuzzy primary math
 

olderroper

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Mike said:
Stealing Delegates, Stealing Nominations
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 8 February 2008 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)


Posted on 02/06/2008 7:50:37 AM PST by Congressman Billybob



If the vote tallies are tight at both the Republican and Democrat national conventions, it is possible we might see that unique circumstance, two election thieves facing each other with one guaranteed to win, between John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

Sorta makes you proud to be an American, don’t it?

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. [email protected] He lives in the 11th Congressional District of North Carolina.

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The plan has always been to get mcain and hillery in as the final two and then mcain will be a stooge to get her elected so she can carry on the Bush clinton bush tradition another 8 years, Stealing the American people blind... Well most are blind now to whats really going on.

But I still have faith something is going to come along and throw a monkey wrench into their works.

Prayer has a lot of power.
 
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