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"stop the deportation of our people each and every day.

hypocritexposer

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On Saturday, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) said President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program was a "down payment" to the Hispanic community before more grants of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Speaking at the National Council of La Raza conference in Los Angeles, Gutierrez said that Obama assured him during a White House meeting with Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus last week that he would be as "generous and broad" as he can to "stop the deportation of our people each and every day."

"You gave us a down payment when you freed 600,000 DREAMers from deportation," Gutierrez said. "Now it is time for the president in the United States... [to] free the Mom and Dads of the DREAMers. And to go further. Be broad and expansive and generous."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/20/Luis-Gutierrez-Obama-s-DACA-Program-Down-Payment-Before-Millions-More-Get-Amnesty
 
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hypocritexposer said:
On Saturday, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) said President Barack Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program was a "down payment" to the Hispanic community before more grants of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Speaking at the National Council of La Raza conference in Los Angeles, Gutierrez said that Obama assured him during a White House meeting with Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus last week that he would be as "generous and broad" as he can to "stop the deportation of our people each and every day."

"You gave us a down payment when you freed 600,000 DREAMers from deportation," Gutierrez said. "Now it is time for the president in the United States... [to] free the Mom and Dads of the DREAMers. And to go further. Be broad and expansive and generous."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/20/Luis-Gutierrez-Obama-s-DACA-Program-Down-Payment-Before-Millions-More-Get-Amnesty

And no doubt that's what will happen if Congress continues to be a Do-Nothing Congress and fails to act on a major immigration bill...

And I thought it was funny- when Congress/Republicans were looking for something to sue Obama on for his mandates- Why did they not sue him over his DREAM Act mandates :???:
Do they (Republicans) not want to look anti-latino :???: Or do they think Obama has that authority under current Immigration Law... :???: Or do they not want to ruin their record as a Do-Nothing Congress :???: :wink:
 
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hypocritexposer said:
What is Congress to do about DACA, or the DREAMact, OT?

Can they repeal obama's executive orders?

Yep- its my belief they can by a supermajority vote....A 2/3 majority vote...Which is probably impossible with this Congress- but it is my belief if they would just pass any form of immigration reform involving the millions currently in the country- giving them access to a legal status- that we may not get any more immigration mandates out of Obama...

Both the Senate and the House have immigration bills- they have some major differences so they need to both pass them- and then put them into a bipartisan compromise committee to work out the final details..

Just like I have mellowed on the border issue and think its logistically impossible anymore to hunt down and remove the 20+ million illegals now in the country which would involve splitting immediate families- so apparently does the rest of the nation..

I'm in the 80% that would like to see them given legal status with a pathway to eventual citizenship- ALTHO it would come with a lot of stringent requirements- the first of which they would have to be able to speak English fluently and secondly any felony convictions mean deportation with no right to return ever ...

CNN Poll: Pathway to citizenship trumps border security


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CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser

Washington (CNN) - Americans overwhelmingly favor a bill that would give most undocumented immigrants a pathway towards citizenship, according to a new national poll.

And a CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that a majority of the public says that the government's main focus should be legalizing the status of the undocumented rather than border security.



The poll was released Thursday, the same day that House Speaker John Boehner signaled any action on immigration is unlikely this year because House Republicans don't trust President Barack Obama on the issue.

According to the poll, 54% say the top priority for the government in dealing with the issue of illegal immigration should be developing a plan that would allow undocumented immigrants with jobs to eventually become legal U.S. residents. Just over four in ten questioned say the main focus should be developing a plan for stopping the flow of undocumented immigrants into the U.S. and for deporting those already here.

"The Republicans' insistence that border security be the primary focus of U.S. immigration policy may have been a popular stand in 2011, but not necessarily in 2014," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

"American attitudes toward undocumented immigrants have changed. Starting in 2012, most Americans have said that the government's focus should be on a plan that would allow those immigrants to become legal U.S. residents. A majority has consistently taken that position since that time - 56% in 2012, 53% in 2013, and 54% in the current poll," added Holland.

The Democratic-controlled Senate last year passed a bipartisan illegal immigration bill that included an eventual pathway towards citizenship for most of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. According to the poll, more than eight in 10 support such a plan. There is little partisan divide, with 88% of Democrats, 81% of independents and 72% of Republicans in agreement.

The Senate bill stalled in the GOP dominated House. Republicans said they preferred to address the matter incrementally rather than in one comprehensive measure.

One idea House Republicans are considering is giving undocumented immigrants legal status to stay in the U.S., but not allow them a pathway towards citizenship. According to the survey, only 35% support such an idea, with just over six in 10 opposed. Again, there was no partisan divide, with two-thirds of Democrats and around six in 10 independents and Republicans opposing such a plan.

The poll was conducted for CNN by ORC International from Jan. 31-Feb. 2, with 1,010 adults nationwide questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
but it is my belief if they would just pass any form of immigration reform involving the millions currently in the country- giving them access to a legal status- that we may not get any more immigration mandates out of Obama...

Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
but it is my belief if they would just pass any form of immigration reform involving the millions currently in the country- giving them access to a legal status- that we may not get any more immigration mandates out of Obama...

Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force.

Yep- and Presidents have been using it for 200+ years when Congress is deadlocked/deadbeat and its usually solved by sitting down and using that C word that the current extremist right/Tea Party thinks is so bad -COMPROMISE!
 

Brad S

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There is no compromise with agents intent on acting illegally. There should be no issue, the law should be followed. You'd agree with following the law if I was driving your pickup coyote hunting, and I'd be calling you an uncomprising extremist when you asked the law to prevail.
 
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Brad S said:
There is no compromise with agents intent on acting illegally. There should be no issue, the law should be followed. You'd agree with following the law if I was driving your pickup coyote hunting, and I'd be calling you an uncomprising extremist when you asked the law to prevail.

I've said that for years- the law should be enforced.. The Reagan Amnesty made it a criminal act to hire an illegal alien-- BUT neither Reagan nor any President since him actively enforced it..

Dems wanted the D voters to have/find jobs- and Repubs didn't want to be arresting their rich buddies, fellow politicians, corporate leaders who were using the illegals for a source of cheap pool boys, gardeners, nanny's and factory workers...

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! So lets get some laws they will enforce...
 

hypocritexposer

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and yet you giggle like a 12 yr old school girl when the establishment Repubs. beat a Tea Party candidate that campaigned on exactly what you propose.

Go figure.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
and yet you giggle like a 12 yr old school girl when the establishment Repubs. beat a Tea Party candidate that campaigned on exactly what you propose.

Go figure.


I thought the Tea Party said absolutely NO to amnesty or ANY path to citizenship... :???:
Altho when you have over 2000 groups filing for tax exempt status using the Tea Party name/affiliation- you could have 2000 differing answers...
 

Steve

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I'm in the 80% that would like to see them given legal status with a pathway to eventual citizenship- ALTHO it would come with a lot of stringent requirements- the first of which they would have to be able to speak English fluently and secondly any felony convictions mean deportation with no right to return ever ...

if the law is not enforced now.. and hasn't been strongly enforced since Reagan misguidedly listened to the pro immigrant groups...

then what in ?????? do you think will happen with any law that allows a path to citizenship..












fool me once shame on you, ... I disagreed with Reagan on immigration,.. and I disagree with the flawed theory you and the other liberals keep rolling out...
 
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Steve said:
I'm in the 80% that would like to see them given legal status with a pathway to eventual citizenship- ALTHO it would come with a lot of stringent requirements- the first of which they would have to be able to speak English fluently and secondly any felony convictions mean deportation with no right to return ever ...

if the law is not enforced now.. and hasn't been strongly enforced since Reagan misguidedly listened to the pro immigrant groups...

then what in ?????? do you think will happen with any law that allows a path to citizenship..












fool me once shame on you, ... I disagreed with Reagan on immigration,.. and I disagree with the flawed theory you and the other liberals keep rolling out...

What is your answer then to do with the 20 million illegals already here?
 

Steve

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What is your answer then to do with the 20 million illegals already here?

it is easy.. when they break the law.. deport them...

to often illegals are not detained when they commit crimes.. or are allowed to commit a series of minor crimes without penalty..

if they are detained.. fingerprinted and a DNA sample taken ... often the criminal history is shocking..

while it may appear to be costly.. the reduction in illegals and the reduction in crime will pay for itself..

while I am not a huge fan of zero tolerance as it removes common sense.. we need a (almost) zero tolerance policy on illegals that commit crimes.. even minor crimes..

once that policy sorts out the chaff,.. then ask me the same question..
 
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Steve said:
What is your answer then to do with the 20 million illegals already here?

it is easy.. when they break the law.. deport them...

to often illegals are not detained when they commit crimes.. or are allowed to commit a series of minor crimes without penalty..

if they are detained.. fingerprinted and a DNA sample taken ... often the criminal history is shocking..

while it may appear to be costly.. the reduction in illegals and the reduction in crime will pay for itself..

while I am not a huge fan of zero tolerance as it removes common sense.. we need a (almost) zero tolerance policy on illegals that commit crimes.. even minor crimes..

once that policy sorts out the chaff,.. then ask me the same question..


You and I pretty much agree... Criminal activity would mean immediate deportation and no return.... Returning after being deported should be a felony meaning prison and deportation upon release...
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
Returning after being deported should be a felony meaning prison and deportation upon release...

Take a deep breath numbnut, re-read slowly what you wrote, and explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever.

Please.
 
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Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Returning after being deported should be a felony meaning prison and deportation upon release...

Take a deep breath numbnut, re-read slowly what you wrote, and explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever.

Please.

If you commit a crime and get deported and then sneak back across into the US like they have been doing and get caught back in the US again- it should be a felony crime- automatic prison time and deportation again when you've served your time...

I sometimes forget the reason newspapers are printed for only 6th grade educations... :roll: Sorry- my bad! :wink:
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Returning after being deported should be a felony meaning prison and deportation upon release...

Take a deep breath numbnut, re-read slowly what you wrote, and explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever.

Please.

If you commit a crime and get deported and then sneak back across into the US like they have been doing and get caught back in the US again- it should be a felony crime- automatic prison time and deportation again when you've served your time...

I sometimes forget the reason newspapers are printed for only 6th grade educations... :roll: Sorry- my bad! :wink:

So........why did you write your statement for a 3rd grade education? :roll:
 

Soapweed

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Oldtimer said:
Whitewing said:
Oldtimer said:
Returning after being deported should be a felony meaning prison and deportation upon release...

Take a deep breath numbnut, re-read slowly what you wrote, and explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever.

Please.

If you commit a crime and get deported and then sneak back across into the US like they have been doing and get caught back in the US again- it should be a felony crime- automatic prison time and deportation again when you've served your time...

I sometimes forget the reason newspapers are printed for only 6th grade educations... :roll: Sorry- my bad! :wink:

Why give them "two strikes you are out"? Why not just give them "one strike and you're out," to start with. Deport them for good the first time. That would be just as enforceable as trying harder to keep them out after their second offence. Or here is a novel idea, keep them out to start with.

Once an old cow figures out how to break down the fence to get in a stackyard, they get real hard to keep out. Make a good fence to start with, and then if they get in, lock them in a corral or haul them off to a sale barn.
 
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