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"Study: False statements preceded war"

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Anonymous

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Shocking, isn't it? :roll:

WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.

"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.

The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."

Named in the study along with Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.

Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al-Qaida, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al-Qaida.

The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.

"The cumulative effect of these false statements — amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts — was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.

"Some journalists — indeed, even some entire news organizations — have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

And shame on that "liberal" media for pushing Bush's agenda. :eek:
 
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They even have a searchable database so you can find your favorite lie.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
 

Mike

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Not surprising at all given that the Center is partially funded by George Soros............ :roll: :roll:
 

loomixguy

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Lies? Lies?!? ff's Saviour Slick Willie Clinton and his "bride" are the "First Couple of Lies"!!

Whitewater, pork belly futures, subpeonaed legal documents that are "missing" for 2 years and mysteriously appear on a coffee table, Vince Foster, Monica, Gennifer Flowers, Norman Hsu, restaurant workers in Chinatown contributing $1,000 each to Hitlary, et al.

Perhaps if Klinton had been more worried about terrorists than catchin' a hummer from Monica, maybe there would have been no need for any war. He was only offered OBL's head on THREE seperate occasions while President. Remember Mogadishu? Rent "Black Hawk Down" and see your hero's policies in action. And less than 2% of the Klinton's correspondence has been cleared to make it to his Presidential Library and Massage Parlor, and he's been out of office for EIGHT YEARS! WTF are they hiding? Plenty, I'll bet.

FWIW, Saddam refused to comply with any requests from the UN. So GW saddled up the military and did what had to be done, for the good of the world. But maybe performing genocide, rape, and torture on a scale not seen since Nazi Germany, the possibility of having nuclear weapons, and a clear and burning hatred for America and her allies doesn't bother ff.

Get some professional help, ff. You desperately need it.
 

Tex

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loomixguy said:
Lies? Lies?!? ff's Saviour Slick Willie Clinton and his "bride" are the "First Couple of Lies"!!

Whitewater, pork belly futures, subpeonaed legal documents that are "missing" for 2 years and mysteriously appear on a coffee table, Vince Foster, Monica, Gennifer Flowers, Norman Hsu, restaurant workers in Chinatown contributing $1,000 each to Hitlary, et al.

Perhaps if Klinton had been more worried about terrorists than catchin' a hummer from Monica, maybe there would have been no need for any war. He was only offered OBL's head on THREE seperate occasions while President. Remember Mogadishu? Rent "Black Hawk Down" and see your hero's policies in action. And less than 2% of the Klinton's correspondence has been cleared to make it to his Presidential Library and Massage Parlor, and he's been out of office for EIGHT YEARS! WTF are they hiding? Plenty, I'll bet.

FWIW, Saddam refused to comply with any requests from the UN. So GW saddled up the military and did what had to be done, for the good of the world. But maybe performing genocide, rape, and torture on a scale not seen since Nazi Germany, the possibility of having nuclear weapons, and a clear and burning hatred for America and her allies doesn't bother ff.

Get some professional help, ff. You desperately need it.

I was going to say the same thing, Loomix. Glad you beat me to it.


It looks like the Clinton campaign is lying to get elected. If we keep allowing the same thing, we will get the same results.
 

Tex

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schnurrbart said:
Mike said:
Not surprising at all given that the Center is partially funded by George Soros............ :roll: :roll:

You can prove that?

I say who cares? If it is true, does it matter who is funding it? We have plenty of publicly funded propaganda by the Bush administration.



George Soros's opinion doesn't scare me one bit. It sure doesn't make me automatically think of some sort of George Soros conspiracy to get me off of discussing the points that some don't want discussed.

George Soros has talked about in the past of the frauds the govt. is participating in, and he was right. I don't know all the issues people have with him, but if it is limited to putting additional information out there, what is the difference between that and what Rupert Murdoch puts out in the Wall Street Journal?
 
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loomixguy said:
FWIW, Saddam refused to comply with any requests from the UN. So GW saddled up the military and did what had to be done, for the good of the world. But maybe performing genocide, rape, and torture on a scale not seen since Nazi Germany, the possibility of having nuclear weapons, and a clear and burning hatred for America and her allies doesn't bother ff.

Get some professional help, ff. You desperately need it.

The highlighted portion is a lie. Saddam did comply with the UN and allowed inspectors into Iraq. George W. Bush told them get out because he was going to invade the country.

George Bush didn't invade Iraq "for the good of the world" He claimed it was because Saddam had WMDs and was a threat to this country. We know that's not true; intelligence agencies knew it at the time.
 

TSR

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passin thru said:
So Tex, what was your opinion on the Swift Boat Veterans exposing Kerry for what he was?

And the guy Kerry pulled out of the water, a vietnam veteran who said bullets were flying over their heads, did the Swift boat vets have anything to say about him??
 

passin thru

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So you want to talk about Bush’s service to our nation as a supersonic F-102 Delta Dagger jet pilot. The mission of the 147th Fighter Group and its subordinate 111th FIS, Texas ANG, and their jets, the F-102, was air defense. The “Palace Alert Program” was ongoing when Bush joined the TANG and extended his service commitment to be trained as a pilot. The Palace Alert program had F-102 Delta Dagger pilots like Bush rotating to Vietnam and that 15 F-102 pilots were killed there, and that he volunteered to go there, but they changed the unit’s mission right after Bush started training. Bush sought and received permission to work on 2 campaigns after several years of service, and could not have been AWOL and still receive an honorable discharge.
If you check the 111th FIS records of 1970-72 and any other ANG squadron, you will find other pilots excused for career obligations and conflicts. The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment.
There was a huge glut of pilots in the Air Force in 1972, and with no cockpits available to put them in, many were shoved into nonflying desk jobs. Any pilot could have left the Air Force or the Air Guard with ease after 1972 before his commitment was up because there just wasn't room for all of them anymore. Air National Guard COL. William Campenni served as a pilot with President Bush in the Texas Air National Guard “If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush. They deliberately avoided use of the Guard and Reserves for domestic political calculations, knowing that a draftee only stirred up the concerns of one family, while a call-up got a whole community's attention.” “Because of the training required, signing up for this duty meant up to 2½ years of active duty for training alone, plus a high probability of mobilization.” Excusals for employment were common
 

passin thru

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Don't get me wrong I admire Kerry for his service to his country. What I don't like is his Fondaizing it after he got home.
 

Goodpasture

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passin thru said:
......... The Palace Alert program had F-102 Delta Dagger pilots like Bush rotating to Vietnam and that 15 F-102 pilots were killed there, and that he volunteered to go there, but they changed the unit’s mission right after Bush started training.
And shortly after he fail to appear for his medical exam........common when you have coke in your nose.
passin thru said:
Bush sought and received permission to work on 2 campaigns after several years of service,
Except none of the "permission requests" have ever been discovered.
passin thru said:
and could not have been AWOL and still receive an honorable discharge.
you can if Grandpa is Prescott Bush and Daddy is an ambassador.

passin thru said:
“If the 111th FIS and Lt. Bush did not go to Vietnam, blame President Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara, not lowly Lt. Bush.
Actually you need to blame the patronage that got him into TANG in the first place.

Defend him all you want. He is a coward who chose to go TANG. Unlike Kerry, who had both the money and the contacts to avoid combat and who chose Swift Boats to a cushy job stateside or in the Med. Did Kerry get hit? His record says yes. Dispute it all you want, but the fact that he was in country proves to me he is more a man than the shrub ever thought about being. I even have more respect for Clinton who got an honest deferment at a time when deferments were all the rage, rather than preferred treatment in a ANG slot. Why would you defend that chickens*** chicken hawk.
 

passin thru

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Ok let's start with just one of your accusations and then we can go from there.

common when you have coke in your nose.

Give me some credible proof or are you just assuming from your experiences since you seem to know what coke can do?
 

Tex

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passin thru said:
So Tex, what was your opinion on the Swift Boat Veterans exposing Kerry for what he was?

I didn't pay that much attention. I am more interested in the issues than what someone did 30 years ago. The Swift Vote adds didn't seem to be important enough to bring out to a senator, but they were to a presidential run.

If we knew the truth about GW and his drinking, drugs, and military service coverup we might not have voted for him. Same with Clinton and his womanizing (funny how Hillary wants to run the country but can't run her own marriage).

I guess you have a point there, passin.
 
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Tex said:
passin thru said:
So Tex, what was your opinion on the Swift Boat Veterans exposing Kerry for what he was?

I didn't pay that much attention. I am more interested in the issues than what someone did 30 years ago. The Swift Vote adds didn't seem to be important enough to bring out to a senator, but they were to a presidential run.

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His Senatorial opponents did not have an immoral/unethical campaign hatchet man like Karl Rove buying up and making up untruths, to have these things suddenly appear like GW did...A crooked hatchetman that he had to take into the White House and make his #1 advisor- to further slime up the White House and D.C...... :(
 
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