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QUESTION

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Sandh exactly how arrogant are you, to presume to tell me what i think and believe. The truth is you are not and never will play for keeps and support an mass kill of every bovine that could have come in contact with infective material and testing all animals in that mass kill. So you can jump off that ivory tower into the slurry of manure you are so adept at spreading. It is :oops: funny how you have said in the past that canada has BSE and the US has BASE different diseases, but now you claim we are the same . Can you say flip flop :p And finally after seven posts you support my position that waiting another year before banning BSE contaminated meat from the human food chain is lunacy, but of course it comes with a disclaimer. :roll:
As for my sainthood i will get there if i am proven to perform a miracle, i wonder if getting to admit you have an adgenda that has nothing to do with public safety or animal health but greed would that count. :nod:
 

hypocritexposer

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Sandhusker said:
Q, why are you trying to argue with me on what the USDA is doing? I've asked you to bring a quote of mine showing support for them, but you'd rather pretend I said something that I didn't.

You can brag about BSE infected animals being banned from the food chain in Canada all you want, but the facts are that it is a certainty that they are still getting in, as I've pointed out repeatedly. Do realize that an animal can have BSE 5 or more years before they physically show it? Think about that. You need to quit ignoring the basic facts of the disease.

Sandhusker, do you believe that the US produces 100% BSE free beef for human consumption? Yes or No?
 

Sandhusker

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hypocritexposer said:
Sandhusker said:
Q, why are you trying to argue with me on what the USDA is doing? I've asked you to bring a quote of mine showing support for them, but you'd rather pretend I said something that I didn't.

You can brag about BSE infected animals being banned from the food chain in Canada all you want, but the facts are that it is a certainty that they are still getting in, as I've pointed out repeatedly. Do realize that an animal can have BSE 5 or more years before they physically show it? Think about that. You need to quit ignoring the basic facts of the disease.

Sandhusker, do you believe that the US produces 100% BSE free beef for human consumption? Yes or No?

no
 

Sandhusker

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As for my sainthood i will get there if i am proven to perform a miracle, i wonder if getting to admit you have an adgenda that has nothing to do with public safety or animal health but greed would that count.

If it isn't greed that causes you to ignore the fact that you've got a huge hole for healthy APPEARING positives, what is it? I've explained half a dozen times, so ignorance isn't the problem.
 

QUESTION

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SandH you know better. I will call you on it you do know because i have posted the fact that i am a co-owner of a local slaughter and processing facility. Where we slaughter our own beef to value add, that includes our cull cattle. Most cull cows and bulls are OTM and all cattle these are tested for BSE and of couse they are all healthy appearing, or they would not be fit for human consumption and since we started testing we have yet to have one come back as positive for BSE. Come on sandh discredit that, tell me why we haven't found positives in an apparently healthy appearing population? When we have been submitting samples for testing from cattle OTM of age that appear healthy. By the way liscenced vets collect the samples there is no way to cheat or falsify the samples as has been done in the US. Maybe you can go convince someone who isn't as involved with the production of beef thru the production chain you know what you are talking about. :p :oops: :roll: You got nothing.
 
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QUESTION said:
SandH you know better. I will call you on it you do know because i have posted the fact that i am a co-owner of a local slaughter and processing facility. Where we slaughter our own beef to value add, that includes our cull cattle. Most cull cows and bulls are OTM and all cattle these are tested for BSE and of couse they are all healthy appearing, or they would not be fit for human consumption and since we started testing we have yet to have one come back as positive for BSE. Come on sandh discredit that, tell me why we haven't found positives in an apparently healthy appearing population? When we have been submitting samples for testing from cattle OTM of age that appear healthy. By the way liscenced vets collect the samples there is no way to cheat or falsify the samples as has been done in the US. Maybe you can go convince someone who isn't as involved with the production of beef thru the production chain you know what you are talking about. :p :oops: :roll: You got nothing.


BULLPUCKEY-- How did you and your supposed cohorts get the authority to test ALL- when the USDA/CFIA has not allowed the other plants/individuals to do that...
If what you are saying was the truth- that would mean that Rkaiser and all the other Canadians that have been wanting to test theirs to market them could too....

BULL........
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
SandH you know better. I will call you on it you do know because i have posted the fact that i am a co-owner of a local slaughter and processing facility. Where we slaughter our own beef to value add, that includes our cull cattle. Most cull cows and bulls are OTM and all cattle these are tested for BSE and of couse they are all healthy appearing, or they would not be fit for human consumption and since we started testing we have yet to have one come back as positive for BSE. Come on sandh discredit that, tell me why we haven't found positives in an apparently healthy appearing population? When we have been submitting samples for testing from cattle OTM of age that appear healthy. By the way liscenced vets collect the samples there is no way to cheat or falsify the samples as has been done in the US. Maybe you can go convince someone who isn't as involved with the production of beef thru the production chain you know what you are talking about. :p :oops: :roll: You got nothing.

I thought Canada only tested 4-Ds? Now you tell me that your plant is testing healthy looking cattle? Your story keeps changing.

You have a point if you and everybody else that slaughters cattle up there are testing all OTMs, but we all know that isn't happening.
 

QUESTION

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OT maybe check things out before speaking. All animals that are sampled by approved CFIA vets and samples submitted to tested for BSE must fit certain criteria for the BSE surveillence program. So No i do not personally perform the test, collect the sample or choose the animals samples are to be taken from, but the CFIA approved vet submits sample for testing that he collected from animals he deemed acceptable for the BSE surveilence testing program. We collect a small fee for voulenteering the sample. If one ever tests positive I think it would come back to the facility and consequently the operating partners would be notified. The CFIA hasn't got ahold of the anyone yet :D to notify us of a positive . As for the testing you can get a approved vet to come out but it is upto his/her discression to collect samples from animals IF they fit the criteria the CFIA deems acceptable under the surveilence program. They (approved vets) will collect the samples to be submitted. If the approved vet decides the animal doesn't fit they are not collected and you have to pay a call fee. OT every time this little local plant has called the vet he has collected samples. He has yet to come out on a OTM kill day where a sample hasn't been taken. It is up to the certified vet as to wether a sample should be taken . So i do not have the authoriy to tell the CFIA which animals to test or to test every single animal slaughtered in the facility and have never claimed to but the approved vet that comes out and checks the animals out prior to slaughter does have the authority to collect and submit samples from animals he believes fit the criteria.
This is getting so old having to explain every step and every minisclue detail to OT and Sandh because they do not want to do the due diligence to learn and have a complete understanding of a program they claim to be experts in. :oops: :roll: :oops: :roll:
 

QUESTION

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Sandh - :roll: 4D cattle are tested as well as those deemed high risk by CFIA approved vets. The cattle i think look healthy may fit in the high risk criteria for the BSE surveilence progam. So according to the approved vet that comes in all high risk otm cattle are tested. Maybe you and OT could go do some reading so i do not have explain in detail every little thing, :roll: But by all means go out and take things out of context, play little word games and play ignorant, what ever you have to do to try to support your agruments. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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QUESTION said:
Sandh - :roll: 4D cattle are tested as well as those deemed high risk by CFIA approved vets. The cattle i think look healthy may fit in the high risk criteria for the BSE surveilence progam. So according to the approved vet that comes in all high risk otm cattle are tested. Maybe you and OT could go do some reading so i do not have explain in detail every little thing, :roll: But by all means go out and take things out of context, play little word games and play ignorant, what ever you have to do to try to support your agruments. :roll:

You're just chasing your tail now, Q. Give it up.
 

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