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kolanuraven

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...refuses to hear the case regarding the claim that Obama IS NOT eligible to be President. Apparently they have more importnat matters at hand.....


It's over....get over it ....call in the dogs.....damp the fire......it's over.


Now go find something else to whine about.
 

Mike

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Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve
By Tim Jones |Chicago Tribune correspondent
9:16 AM CST, December 8, 2008
UPDATE: The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth.

The court did not comment on its order Monday rejecting the call by Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick, N.J., to intervene in the presidential election. Donofrio says that since Obama had dual nationality at birth -- his mother was American and his Kenyan father at the time was a British subject -- he cannot possibly be a "natural born citizen," one of the requirements the Constitution lists for eligibility to be president.

Donofrio also contends that two other candidates, Republican John McCain and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero, also are not natural-born citizens and thus ineligible to be president.

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed. Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit.
 

Mike

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Still befuddles me why Obama has spent about $1 MILLION in attorney fees on the issue when all he had to do was present a $12 certified photocopy of the orginal vault birth certificate.

Another thing that makes me wonder is that there are 2 different hospitals that his sister has said he was born in. :???: :???:
Reports by his own sister in two separate interviews state that he was born at two different hospitals– Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital–in Honolulu.
 

mytfarms

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kolanuraven said:
It's over....over...O-V-E-R!

Wow, excellent spelling Kola! I'm very proud of you! :D

EDIT:
However, I DO AGREE WITH YOU that this is over and we now have Barack H. Obama in the Oval Office. We need to let this go and pray for him.
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
If the Sup. Courts won't waste time on this....it's over baby!!!


It's over....over...O-V-E-R!

It aint' over. This won't be going away until that slimy btard comes clean.

I don't understand why you're gloating, Kola. The snake that you voted for is is showing his colors and getting away with flaunting the Constitution. If he had brought his cert. and had it verified, then you would have something to crow about, but the facts remain that all he has done is lie and dodge.

You've really got a man that you can be proud of. He has handled this issue like a true statesman.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Even most sensible Republicans and Conservatives have long ago seen this as just another rightwingnut conspiracy theory perpetrated by those wingnuts and the racists that will do anything to go against the will of the people....
Common sense folks long ago recognized the fact that your state recorder historically and thru precendent has been and is the final word...

Heres a common sense conservatives view:

www.newsmax.com
Washington Insider with Ronald Kessler



Obama Was Born in the United States

Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30 AM

By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size




For months, I have been bombarded by e-mails claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya and therefore does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president. I have also received hundreds of e-mails from readers asking why I do not expose the truth about his birth.

The truth is that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii, by law, does not make original birth certificates public, and this has enabled conspiracy theorists to claim that there is something nefarious about the circumstances of Obama’s birth.


Instead, it allows the public to see a so-called certification of birth — also known as a short-form birth certificate — that lists the name of the baby and the date and place of birth but not additional details like the birth weight and the parents’ hometowns.


As claims of a cover-up mounted on the Internet prior to the election, Obama posted a digitally scanned image of his original birth certificate. But that enabled conspiracy theorists to say the image had been created by Photoshop. Obama then let FactCheck.org, a nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, view, handle, and photograph the birth original certificate at Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

“The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport,” FactCheck.org, headed by respected former Wall Street Journal reporter Brooks Jackson, concluded.


According to the State Department, that includes “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.”

That led to claims by conspiracy theorists that the document shown to FactCheck.org was fake. However, on Oct. 31, the Hawaii Department of Health issued a press release saying that Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, along with Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, had “personally seen and verified that Hawaii’s State Department of Public Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Fukino told the Honolulu Advertiser that her department issued the press release after being barraged by calls about the issue, including some received by state officials at home in the middle of the night.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” said Fukino, a medical doctor.

Aside from that official verification of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, back on Aug. 31, 1962, the Honolulu Advertiser ran an announcement of his birth.

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalaniaaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4,” the announcement said

What about claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother has said he was born in Kenya? At a dinner at the Ritz Carlton given by a conservative group, I happened to sit next to Philip Berg. Berg is the Philadelphia lawyer who is suing to have Obama disqualified as president because he is allegedly not a citizen of the United States.


A former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, Berg has claimed that he has a tape recording of a phone conversation in which Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.

On Oct. 23, Berg told talk-radio host Michael Savage that he would release the tape “in a day or two.” To date, he has not done so.

At the dinner, I asked Berg how he knows that the voice on the tape is that of Obama’s grandmother. Berg was vague: He said he knows someone who vouches for the fact that the tape is authentic.

"Tape recordings" are never fool-proof evidence. For example, I remember a dinner my wife and I once had in Paris with a reporter for the National Enquirer while I was writing a book on arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi. Actor Richard Burton had just died, and the reporter said he was going to meet up later with other National Enquirer reporters at a bar so they could make up stories about Burton to run in the paper.

I knew a Williams & Connolly lawyer who reviewed the paper’s stories for libel before they were published. He had told me that he insisted on listening to any taped interviews that support sensitive stories.

“How do you get around that?” I asked the Enquirer reporter.

“Oh, that’s easy,” the reporter explained. “I get in a cab and pay the driver to say what I tell him to say into a tape recorder.”

On the radio show, Berg told Savage that he believes the birth certificate Obama showed FactCheck.org was forged.

“This has been a real sham he’s pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage.

Berg said he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and was unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. According to Berg, the family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the birth announcement to the local newspaper.

Why would they do that? To any conspiracy theorist, the answer would be obvious: They knew that Obama would some day run for president. After all, Berg also believes that President Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, and other government officials had “adequate foreknowledge” of the 9/11 attack and “failed to warn the country or attempt to prevent it and have been covering up the truth of that day ever since,” according to another lawsuit he filed.

“I think that there is no question that President Bush knew about it [and] was very complicit in the events of 9/11,” Berg told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC on Jan. 28, 2004.

In response to Berg’s complaint about Obama’s citizenship, Obama and the Democratic National Committee asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit. They said that Berg’s claims were “ridiculous” and “patently false” and that Berg had “no standing” to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president, because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

On Oct. 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia dismissed Berg’s lawsuit. In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were “too vague and too attenuated” to confer standing on him or on any other voters.

Berg has appealed to the Supreme Court. A virulent Internet rumor claims that the court has agreed to take the case. In fact, as it does with all cases, the court has merely agreed to decide whether to take the case. Berg's petition is on the justices’ private conference list for today, Dec. 8.

Meanwhile, Berg has been collecting money through his Web site to support his case. When I asked him how much he has collected, he would not say.

If there were any basis for Berg’s claims, one would think that the John McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee would have supported the lawsuit or at least blasted out e-mails touting the case. In fact, a McCain campaign aide told me that McCain campaign lawyers had looked into the allegations about Obama’s birth and found them to be bogus.

You would also think that Berg would be happy to be interviewed about the case by a journalist like me. But although he agreed to an interview at the conservative dinner, he has since failed to respond to my voicemails and e-mails asking for him to call.

Ever since President Bush toppled a man who killed 300,000 people, he has been the subject of vicious attacks and conspiracy theories from the left. Now is the time for the right to show that it will not tarnish itself by going down that road and that it will extend to the new president the fair play and respect Bush never received.


Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com.


http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_birth/2008/12/08/159417.html
 

Mike

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It AIN'T over yet...................


Wrotnowski Case Referred to Full Court by Justice Scalia
SCOTUS ^ | 12/08/2008 | SCOTUS


No. 08A469 Title: Cort Wrotnowski, Applicant v. Susan Bysiewicz, Connecticut Secretary of State

Docketed: Lower Ct: Supreme Court of Connecticut Case Nos.: (SC 18264)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nov 25 2008 Application (08A469) for stay and/or injunction, submitted to Justice Ginsburg. Nov 26 2008 Application (08A469) denied by Justice Ginsburg. Nov 29 2008 Application (08A469) refiled and submitted to Justice Scalia. Dec 8 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 12, 2008. Dec 8 2008 Application (08A469) referred to the Court by Justice Scalia.

http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a469.htm
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
If the Sup. Courts won't waste time on this....it's over baby!!!


It's over....over...O-V-E-R!

It aint' over. This won't be going away until that slimy btard comes clean.

I don't understand why you're gloating, Kola. The snake that you voted for is is showing his colors and getting away with flaunting the Constitution. If he had brought his cert. and had it verified, then you would have something to crow about, but the facts remain that all he has done is lie and dodge.

You've really got a man that you can be proud of. He has handled this issue like a true statesman.

Well Sandhusker,I guess he could of handled things the same way you have handle everything Obama has said or done.Which has been to act like a whining little pussy in all your posts in here.......Grow up sandhusker,this constant crying is getting old..
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
If the Sup. Courts won't waste time on this....it's over baby!!!


It's over....over...O-V-E-R!

It aint' over. This won't be going away until that slimy btard comes clean.

I don't understand why you're gloating, Kola. The snake that you voted for is is showing his colors and getting away with flaunting the Constitution. If he had brought his cert. and had it verified, then you would have something to crow about, but the facts remain that all he has done is lie and dodge.

You've really got a man that you can be proud of. He has handled this issue like a true statesman.

Well Sandhusker,I guess he could of handled things the same way you have handle everything Obama has said or done.Which has been to act like a whining little p***y in all your posts in here.......Grow up sandhusker,this constant crying is getting old..


Be careful NN....you referred to his genitalia......you'll get called to the Principal's office if you're not careful. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Tam

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Did I miss something as all the reports I read even MSNBC said the court case against Obama and McCain will not be heard by the Supreme Court BUT where does it say Berg's lawsuit against just Obama will not be heard????? :???:
 

Mike

Well-known member
Tam said:
Did I miss something as all the reports I read even MSNBC said the court case against Obama and McCain will not be heard by the Supreme Court BUT where does it say Berg's lawsuit against just Obama will not be heard????? :???:

Berg was denied by Souter.

Wrotnowski is next for conference on Dec. 12. Recommended by Scalia.
 

Tam

Well-known member
Mike said:
Tam said:
Did I miss something as all the reports I read even MSNBC said the court case against Obama and McCain will not be heard by the Supreme Court BUT where does it say Berg's lawsuit against just Obama will not be heard????? :???:

Berg was denied by Souter.

Wrotnowski is next for conference on Dec. 12. Recommended by Scalia.

Are you sure because this was posted by MSNBC 8 hours ago

At least one other appeal over Obama's citizenship remains at the court. Philip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pa., argues that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as Obama says and the Hawaii secretary of state has confirmed.

Berg says Obama also may be a citizen of Indonesia, where he lived as a boy. Federal courts in Pennsylvania have dismissed Berg's lawsuit. Federal courts in Ohio and Washington state have rejected similar lawsuits.
 

Mike

Well-known member
Berg filed a stay for Injunction of the Electoral vote today.

http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/072_ObamaPressRelease12082008.pdf
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
Even most sensible Republicans and Conservatives have long ago seen this as just another rightwingnut conspiracy theory perpetrated by those wingnuts and the racists that will do anything to go against the will of the people....
Common sense folks long ago recognized the fact that your state recorder historically and thru precendent has been and is the final word...

Heres a common sense conservatives view:

www.newsmax.com
Washington Insider with Ronald Kessler



Obama Was Born in the United States

Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30 AM

By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size




For months, I have been bombarded by e-mails claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya and therefore does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president. I have also received hundreds of e-mails from readers asking why I do not expose the truth about his birth.

The truth is that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii, by law, does not make original birth certificates public, and this has enabled conspiracy theorists to claim that there is something nefarious about the circumstances of Obama’s birth.


Instead, it allows the public to see a so-called certification of birth — also known as a short-form birth certificate — that lists the name of the baby and the date and place of birth but not additional details like the birth weight and the parents’ hometowns.


As claims of a cover-up mounted on the Internet prior to the election, Obama posted a digitally scanned image of his original birth certificate. But that enabled conspiracy theorists to say the image had been created by Photoshop. Obama then let FactCheck.org, a nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, view, handle, and photograph the birth original certificate at Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

“The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport,” FactCheck.org, headed by respected former Wall Street Journal reporter Brooks Jackson, concluded.


According to the State Department, that includes “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.”

That led to claims by conspiracy theorists that the document shown to FactCheck.org was fake. However, on Oct. 31, the Hawaii Department of Health issued a press release saying that Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, along with Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, had “personally seen and verified that Hawaii’s State Department of Public Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Fukino told the Honolulu Advertiser that her department issued the press release after being barraged by calls about the issue, including some received by state officials at home in the middle of the night.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” said Fukino, a medical doctor.

Aside from that official verification of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, back on Aug. 31, 1962, the Honolulu Advertiser ran an announcement of his birth.

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalaniaaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4,” the announcement said

What about claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother has said he was born in Kenya? At a dinner at the Ritz Carlton given by a conservative group, I happened to sit next to Philip Berg. Berg is the Philadelphia lawyer who is suing to have Obama disqualified as president because he is allegedly not a citizen of the United States.


A former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, Berg has claimed that he has a tape recording of a phone conversation in which Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.

On Oct. 23, Berg told talk-radio host Michael Savage that he would release the tape “in a day or two.” To date, he has not done so.

At the dinner, I asked Berg how he knows that the voice on the tape is that of Obama’s grandmother. Berg was vague: He said he knows someone who vouches for the fact that the tape is authentic.

"Tape recordings" are never fool-proof evidence. For example, I remember a dinner my wife and I once had in Paris with a reporter for the National Enquirer while I was writing a book on arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi. Actor Richard Burton had just died, and the reporter said he was going to meet up later with other National Enquirer reporters at a bar so they could make up stories about Burton to run in the paper.

I knew a Williams & Connolly lawyer who reviewed the paper’s stories for libel before they were published. He had told me that he insisted on listening to any taped interviews that support sensitive stories.

“How do you get around that?” I asked the Enquirer reporter.

“Oh, that’s easy,” the reporter explained. “I get in a cab and pay the driver to say what I tell him to say into a tape recorder.”

On the radio show, Berg told Savage that he believes the birth certificate Obama showed FactCheck.org was forged.

“This has been a real sham he’s pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage.

Berg said he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and was unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. According to Berg, the family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the birth announcement to the local newspaper.

Why would they do that? To any conspiracy theorist, the answer would be obvious: They knew that Obama would some day run for president. After all, Berg also believes that President Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, and other government officials had “adequate foreknowledge” of the 9/11 attack and “failed to warn the country or attempt to prevent it and have been covering up the truth of that day ever since,” according to another lawsuit he filed.

“I think that there is no question that President Bush knew about it [and] was very complicit in the events of 9/11,” Berg told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC on Jan. 28, 2004.

In response to Berg’s complaint about Obama’s citizenship, Obama and the Democratic National Committee asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit. They said that Berg’s claims were “ridiculous” and “patently false” and that Berg had “no standing” to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president, because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

On Oct. 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia dismissed Berg’s lawsuit. In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were “too vague and too attenuated” to confer standing on him or on any other voters.

Berg has appealed to the Supreme Court. A virulent Internet rumor claims that the court has agreed to take the case. In fact, as it does with all cases, the court has merely agreed to decide whether to take the case. Berg's petition is on the justices’ private conference list for today, Dec. 8.

Meanwhile, Berg has been collecting money through his Web site to support his case. When I asked him how much he has collected, he would not say.

If there were any basis for Berg’s claims, one would think that the John McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee would have supported the lawsuit or at least blasted out e-mails touting the case. In fact, a McCain campaign aide told me that McCain campaign lawyers had looked into the allegations about Obama’s birth and found them to be bogus.

You would also think that Berg would be happy to be interviewed about the case by a journalist like me. But although he agreed to an interview at the conservative dinner, he has since failed to respond to my voicemails and e-mails asking for him to call.

Ever since President Bush toppled a man who killed 300,000 people, he has been the subject of vicious attacks and conspiracy theories from the left. Now is the time for the right to show that it will not tarnish itself by going down that road and that it will extend to the new president the fair play and respect Bush never received.


Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com.


http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_birth/2008/12/08/159417.html

THEN WHY DOESN'T HE SPEND $20 FOR A CERT INSTEAD OF SPENDING THOUSANDS ON ATTORNEYS TO NOT BRING THE CERT?
 
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Guest
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
Even most sensible Republicans and Conservatives have long ago seen this as just another rightwingnut conspiracy theory perpetrated by those wingnuts and the racists that will do anything to go against the will of the people....
Common sense folks long ago recognized the fact that your state recorder historically and thru precendent has been and is the final word...

Heres a common sense conservatives view:

www.newsmax.com
Washington Insider with Ronald Kessler



Obama Was Born in the United States

Monday, December 8, 2008 11:30 AM

By: Ronald Kessler Article Font Size




For months, I have been bombarded by e-mails claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya and therefore does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president. I have also received hundreds of e-mails from readers asking why I do not expose the truth about his birth.

The truth is that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii, by law, does not make original birth certificates public, and this has enabled conspiracy theorists to claim that there is something nefarious about the circumstances of Obama’s birth.


Instead, it allows the public to see a so-called certification of birth — also known as a short-form birth certificate — that lists the name of the baby and the date and place of birth but not additional details like the birth weight and the parents’ hometowns.


As claims of a cover-up mounted on the Internet prior to the election, Obama posted a digitally scanned image of his original birth certificate. But that enabled conspiracy theorists to say the image had been created by Photoshop. Obama then let FactCheck.org, a nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, view, handle, and photograph the birth original certificate at Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago.

“The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport,” FactCheck.org, headed by respected former Wall Street Journal reporter Brooks Jackson, concluded.


According to the State Department, that includes “your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.”

That led to claims by conspiracy theorists that the document shown to FactCheck.org was fake. However, on Oct. 31, the Hawaii Department of Health issued a press release saying that Chiyome Fukino, director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, along with Alvin Onaka, the registrar of vital statistics, had “personally seen and verified that Hawaii’s State Department of Public Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

Fukino told the Honolulu Advertiser that her department issued the press release after being barraged by calls about the issue, including some received by state officials at home in the middle of the night.

“This has gotten ridiculous,” said Fukino, a medical doctor.

Aside from that official verification of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, back on Aug. 31, 1962, the Honolulu Advertiser ran an announcement of his birth.

“Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalaniaaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4,” the announcement said

What about claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother has said he was born in Kenya? At a dinner at the Ritz Carlton given by a conservative group, I happened to sit next to Philip Berg. Berg is the Philadelphia lawyer who is suing to have Obama disqualified as president because he is allegedly not a citizen of the United States.


A former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, Berg has claimed that he has a tape recording of a phone conversation in which Obama’s paternal grandmother says she was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961.

On Oct. 23, Berg told talk-radio host Michael Savage that he would release the tape “in a day or two.” To date, he has not done so.

At the dinner, I asked Berg how he knows that the voice on the tape is that of Obama’s grandmother. Berg was vague: He said he knows someone who vouches for the fact that the tape is authentic.

"Tape recordings" are never fool-proof evidence. For example, I remember a dinner my wife and I once had in Paris with a reporter for the National Enquirer while I was writing a book on arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi. Actor Richard Burton had just died, and the reporter said he was going to meet up later with other National Enquirer reporters at a bar so they could make up stories about Burton to run in the paper.

I knew a Williams & Connolly lawyer who reviewed the paper’s stories for libel before they were published. He had told me that he insisted on listening to any taped interviews that support sensitive stories.

“How do you get around that?” I asked the Enquirer reporter.

“Oh, that’s easy,” the reporter explained. “I get in a cab and pay the driver to say what I tell him to say into a tape recorder.”

On the radio show, Berg told Savage that he believes the birth certificate Obama showed FactCheck.org was forged.

“This has been a real sham he’s pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage.

Berg said he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and was unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. According to Berg, the family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the birth announcement to the local newspaper.

Why would they do that? To any conspiracy theorist, the answer would be obvious: They knew that Obama would some day run for president. After all, Berg also believes that President Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, and other government officials had “adequate foreknowledge” of the 9/11 attack and “failed to warn the country or attempt to prevent it and have been covering up the truth of that day ever since,” according to another lawsuit he filed.

“I think that there is no question that President Bush knew about it [and] was very complicit in the events of 9/11,” Berg told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC on Jan. 28, 2004.

In response to Berg’s complaint about Obama’s citizenship, Obama and the Democratic National Committee asked the court to dismiss the lawsuit. They said that Berg’s claims were “ridiculous” and “patently false” and that Berg had “no standing” to challenge the qualifications of a candidate for president, because he had not shown the requisite harm to himself.

On Oct. 24, U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick in Philadelphia dismissed Berg’s lawsuit. In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg’s allegations of harm were “too vague and too attenuated” to confer standing on him or on any other voters.

Berg has appealed to the Supreme Court. A virulent Internet rumor claims that the court has agreed to take the case. In fact, as it does with all cases, the court has merely agreed to decide whether to take the case. Berg's petition is on the justices’ private conference list for today, Dec. 8.

Meanwhile, Berg has been collecting money through his Web site to support his case. When I asked him how much he has collected, he would not say.

If there were any basis for Berg’s claims, one would think that the John McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee would have supported the lawsuit or at least blasted out e-mails touting the case. In fact, a McCain campaign aide told me that McCain campaign lawyers had looked into the allegations about Obama’s birth and found them to be bogus.

You would also think that Berg would be happy to be interviewed about the case by a journalist like me. But although he agreed to an interview at the conservative dinner, he has since failed to respond to my voicemails and e-mails asking for him to call.

Ever since President Bush toppled a man who killed 300,000 people, he has been the subject of vicious attacks and conspiracy theories from the left. Now is the time for the right to show that it will not tarnish itself by going down that road and that it will extend to the new president the fair play and respect Bush never received.


Ronald Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com.


http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_birth/2008/12/08/159417.html

THEN WHY DOESN'T HE SPEND $20 FOR A CERT INSTEAD OF SPENDING THOUSANDS ON ATTORNEYS TO NOT BRING THE CERT?

He did...He gives out what Hawaii issues- and had it certified by the States sworn keeper of records-- which as Mr. Kessler said is good enough for all government business... Case Closed....
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
BULLSHIT, OT! The State of Hawaii will give out a certified copy of his Birth Cert & a Certificate of Live Birth. They are different documents, the COLB is an abbreviated version of the Birth Cert, but it is not the same thing. Obama could bring a copy of the cert. if he wanted, but he refuses. Instead, he presented a COLB, and MISREPRESENTED (LIED) it by calling it the cert.! That begs the question; Why did he pull the fast one? The snake is lying like a rug, pissing on the Constitution and you, somebody who claims to be a Constitutionalist, are defending him!

Why won't he bring the cert.? Why did he lie about what he presented? He made an effort to present something, why doesn't he bring what he claimed to bring? Are these the actions of an honest man or a man hiding something?
 

fff

Well-known member
Sandhusker said:
BS, OT! The State of Hawaii will give out a certified copy of his Birth Cert & a Certificate of Live Birth. They are different documents, the COLB is an abbreviated version of the Birth Cert, but it is not the same thing. Obama could bring a copy of the cert. if he wanted, but he refuses. Instead, he presented a COLB, and MISREPRESENTED (LIED) it by calling it the cert.! That begs the question; Why did he pull the fast one? The snake is lying like a rug, pissing on the Constitution and you, somebody who claims to be a Constitutionalist, are defending him!

Why won't he bring the cert.? Why did he lie about what he presented? He made an effort to present something, why doesn't he bring what he claimed to bring? Are these the actions of an honest man or a man hiding something?

They're the actions of an honest man who's not especially concerned that a few right wing kooks are demanding that he do something no president-elect has ever been asked to do before. And why should he? Because he's black? It's a simple race thing.

No one asked for Sarah Palin's birth certificate. No one asked for Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Mitt Romney's birth certificate.

The Certificate of Live Birth is a legal document. You can get a US Passport with one issued by most states. You can get a job with one. You can get a driver's license with one. The State of Hawaii says the original certificate is on file.

But BECAUSE HE'S NOT WHITE, you insist he meet higher standards than any other candidate. Look at the recent election results, then look in the mirror, Sandhusker, your kind is fast disappearing in this country. :D
 

Mike

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If Obama truly wanted to bring the country together as he has stated, he would produce the simple documents asked for.

It would cost him a grand total of $12, instead of the $850,000.00 he has spent, and go a longs ways towards appeasing nearly half the country that doesn't trust him for his coverups of the past.

What would it hurt for him to release his school records and "vault" Birth Certificate? I would.

It's like he has something to hide by not.

This thing is gaining momentum everyday. Is he trying to divert attention towards it to cover somethig else up?

What's his motive?

Plus, the one he has shown is not proof of his citizenship birthplace. He could have been born anywhere in the world with that COLB.
 
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