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Gutknecht: Swift action needed on immigration
Duane Winn

One of the first orders of business in the attempt to curtail illegal immigration is business, according to Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

If Pawlenty has his way, employers who run afoul of his proposals could face stiff financial penalties up to a maximum of $5,000.

Pawlenty released a series of proposals earlier this month designed to stem a tide of illegal aliens whom, he said, drain the state of its financial resources, snatch jobs from Minnesota residents, and contribute to crime.

In addition to penalties for companies which knowingly hire, employ or recruit illegal immigrants for employment, the governor’s package of reforms include the creation of a Minnesota Illegal Immigration Enforcement Team and a repeal of sanctuary laws. These laws prohibit police officers from questioning, arresting or detaining any person for violations of federal civil immigration except when immigration status is a factor in the commission of a crime.

It’s estimated that between 8 and 11 million people are living and working in the United States illegally. That number rises daily, and according to officials, thousands of them live in southwestern Minnesota.

Gutknecht said Swift and Company, a pork processor in Worthington, employs workers from several minority groups who are drawn to the area because of the easy availability of jobs in the farming and food processing sector.

Gutknecht said a problem arises when an industry builds a business strategy around the use of illegal immigrants.

Swift, according to Gutknecht, has sent buses in the past to Brownville, Texas, to pick up illegal immigrants for work in their plant.


“There are a growing number of employers who want to hire labor at less than the market rate,” said Gutknecht. “One of Swift’s arguments is that they couldn’t hire enough people.

“It’s true you can’t hire enough people who are willing to work in a packing plant at $8 an hour; you can hire enough workers at $14 an hour. There isn’t an adequate labor market, it’s true, but there is a market.”

Employers claim that they’re subject to a double jeopardy of sorts in that if “someone comes in, applies for a job, they appear to have good documents,” Gutknecht said,” there’s a limit to what they (employers) can do, there are limits to what they can do, in terms of asking questions.”

Gutknecht said the argument doesn’t hold true if they are enabling illegal immigrants for work in their plants.

Gutknecht, who visited Pipestone County earlier this month, said he is investigating reports of illegal immigrants being employed in other southwestern Minnesota businesses in his congressional district.

Gutknecht said that hiring of illegal immigrants could help businesses in the short run, but the enormous,unseen and long-terms costs associated with illegal immigration cancel out any gains.

Some hospital administrators in his congressional district have told him that they unwittingly treat illegal immigrants all the time, thus costing federal medical entitlement programs thousands of dollars each day.

A common practice is the multiple use of the same identification documents. Without the proper federal safeguards in place, they told Gutknecht, it’s nearly impossible to correct this situation.

School districts also bear the brunt of illegal immigration. Gutknecht said one small school district in eastern South Dakota was forced to hire two Spanish teachers due to an influx in immigrants suspected of being in the United Staes illegally.

“New jobs just don’t cover this additional cost of education,” Gutknecht said.

“Whether they like it or not, employers are part of the problem. And Swift, in Worthington, is part of the problem,” said Gutknecht.
 

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Same thing Tyson got caught doing. But remember OT, the more money the packers make, the more they will pay us! :wink:
 
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Mike said:
Same thing Tyson got caught doing. But remember OT, the more money the packers make, the more they will pay us! :wink:

You're taking up gopher trapping with Sandy- Eh? :wink: :lol:
 

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Same thing Tyson got caught doing. But remember OT, the more money the packers make, the more they will pay us! :wink:

You're taking up gopher trapping with Sandy- Eh? :wink: :lol:


No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................................Skunks :wink:
 

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Same thing Tyson got caught doing. But remember OT, the more money the packers make, the more they will pay us! :wink:

You're taking up gopher trapping with Sandy- Eh? :wink: :lol:

You guys can't be so sarcastic. Some people might get the wrong idea. I have to stop myself too, sometimes.
 

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Econ101 said:
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Same thing Tyson got caught doing. But remember OT, the more money the packers make, the more they will pay us! :wink:

You're taking up gopher trapping with Sandy- Eh? :wink: :lol:

You guys can't be so sarcastic. Some people might get the wrong idea. I have to stop myself too, sometimes.


Who's using sarcasm? :roll:
 

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1/18/2006
Gutknecht: Swift action needed on immigration
Duane Winn

One of the first orders of business in the attempt to curtail illegal immigration is business, according to Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty.

If Pawlenty has his way, employers who run afoul of his proposals could face stiff financial penalties up to a maximum of $5,000.

Pawlenty released a series of proposals earlier this month designed to stem a tide of illegal aliens whom, he said, drain the state of its financial resources, snatch jobs from Minnesota residents, and contribute to crime.

In addition to penalties for companies which knowingly hire, employ or recruit illegal immigrants for employment, the governor’s package of reforms include the creation of a Minnesota Illegal Immigration Enforcement Team and a repeal of sanctuary laws. These laws prohibit police officers from questioning, arresting or detaining any person for violations of federal civil immigration except when immigration status is a factor in the commission of a crime.

It’s estimated that between 8 and 11 million people are living and working in the United States illegally. That number rises daily, and according to officials, thousands of them live in southwestern Minnesota.

Gutknecht said Swift and Company, a pork processor in Worthington, employs workers from several minority groups who are drawn to the area because of the easy availability of jobs in the farming and food processing sector.

Gutknecht said a problem arises when an industry builds a business strategy around the use of illegal immigrants.

Swift, according to Gutknecht, has sent buses in the past to Brownville, Texas, to pick up illegal immigrants for work in their plant.


“There are a growing number of employers who want to hire labor at less than the market rate,” said Gutknecht. “One of Swift’s arguments is that they couldn’t hire enough people.

“It’s true you can’t hire enough people who are willing to work in a packing plant at $8 an hour; you can hire enough workers at $14 an hour. There isn’t an adequate labor market, it’s true, but there is a market.”

Employers claim that they’re subject to a double jeopardy of sorts in that if “someone comes in, applies for a job, they appear to have good documents,” Gutknecht said,” there’s a limit to what they (employers) can do, there are limits to what they can do, in terms of asking questions.”

Gutknecht said the argument doesn’t hold true if they are enabling illegal immigrants for work in their plants.

Gutknecht, who visited Pipestone County earlier this month, said he is investigating reports of illegal immigrants being employed in other southwestern Minnesota businesses in his congressional district.

Gutknecht said that hiring of illegal immigrants could help businesses in the short run, but the enormous,unseen and long-terms costs associated with illegal immigration cancel out any gains.

Some hospital administrators in his congressional district have told him that they unwittingly treat illegal immigrants all the time, thus costing federal medical entitlement programs thousands of dollars each day.

A common practice is the multiple use of the same identification documents. Without the proper federal safeguards in place, they told Gutknecht, it’s nearly impossible to correct this situation.

School districts also bear the brunt of illegal immigration. Gutknecht said one small school district in eastern South Dakota was forced to hire two Spanish teachers due to an influx in immigrants suspected of being in the United Staes illegally.

“New jobs just don’t cover this additional cost of education,” Gutknecht said.

“Whether they like it or not, employers are part of the problem. And Swift, in Worthington, is part of the problem,” said Gutknecht.

The real sad thing about this article is that it tells a story about our "free markets".

Swift is using illegal immigrant labor so they do not have to pay legal labor. The legal labor market says that the price of labor should be $14.00, not the $8 or $9 Swift wants to pay. Where is the free market here?

In paying less, Swift is not covering the costs that the immigrants have on society. They are shifting these costs onto the local community. People have to pay more taxes so they can pay for the medical care that isn't being covered, they have to pay more taxes to educate the kids, they have to pay more taxes for other services like enforcement of the laws. Tyson got away with it, why can't Swift?

Why should a company like Swift be able to shift all these costs on the community? Maybe the extra jobs just are not worth it. Companies that can not pay market rates for the things they need to produce, are not viable companies. They should not shift all their costs onto someone else so they can make money. It is a fraud on society.

Maryland's recent bill aimed at Wal-Mart (the largest employer) that was passed over the bought off governor is just one example of people stopping the frauds that corporations are placing on us.

There is no free market when it is allowed to work like companies like Swift want. There is only a transfer of wealth in our society. Guess who gets the shaft?
 

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Tell us genius what will a $4-$5 per hour raise at the packers do to their profit margin and the price they can pay for fat cattle.

I'll make it easy for you.

1) Increased wages will have no effect on packers.

2) Increased wages will make packers able to pay more for cattle.

3) Increased wages will decrease margins and leave packers with less to pay for fat cattle.
 

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Jason said:
Tell us genius what will a $4-$5 per hour raise at the packers do to their profit margin and the price they can pay for fat cattle.

I'll make it easy for you.

1) Increased wages will have no effect on packers.

2) Increased wages will make packers able to pay more for cattle.

3) Increased wages will decrease margins and leave packers with less to pay for fat cattle.

Heck Jason, do you realize how much taxes are a drain on the outfit I work for? You can justify Swift breaking the law, what about banks breaking the law and not pay any taxes? Think of the break we can give producers on their loan rates. We'll be able to donate more to community events. Would you support the banking industry in breaking laws to enhance profitability as well? What about the implement business?
 
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Jason said:
Tell us genius what will a $4-$5 per hour raise at the packers do to their profit margin and the price they can pay for fat cattle.

I'll make it easy for you.

1) Increased wages will have no effect on packers.

2) Increased wages will make packers able to pay more for cattle.

3) Increased wages will decrease margins and leave packers with less to pay for fat cattle.

So Jason you believe it is OK to violate laws as long as you are making a profit from it...

You remind me of the justification given by many embezzlers I interviewed over the years.. Always started by taking $5-$10 left laying around or out of the slush fund- ended up at thousands or in cases hundreds of thousands $..Always was the fault of the manager/owner for lack of management- or the bank for allowing them to cash company checks...

Your type justification is the reason the moral fiber of the world is in the state it is.....What they are doing is BREAKING THE LAW...
 

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A few years ago, a bunch of us rancher/cowboy types were standing around visiting at the County Fair. Another older gentlemen wanted in on the conversation, so he said, "If I poke out my belly and stick my thumbs in my pockets, can I join you guys?"

That is the way I feel on this issue. If Swift is hiring employees illegally, they should be penalized. If supply/demand enters in, and they have to pay more to get qualified "legal" American employees, so be it. As the article proclaims, having the illegals in the school system and in the hospitals definitely drains the local tax base in hidden ways. Any so-called benefit that Swift gets from paying less in wages, is surely devoured by the problems associated with them hiring illegals.

I do feel for Swift, and any other employers, that they are prohibited by law from asking pertinent questions of a potential employee. Quite a few years ago, I served on our county extension board and we were seeking a new assistant "extension educator" (heck, they can't even be called "county agents" anymore. :???: )

We were given a list of questions that we couldn't ask the potential employees, and the list covered just about everything but talking about the weather. Fortunately, pets was a topic that we could talk about. One applicant had a gazillion pets, from horses to dogs, cats, goats, chinchillas, parakeets, and goldfish. I hated to be prejudiced, but we couldn't ask any questions that really mattered. When it was time to make our decision of the three people applying, my recommendation was to not hire the gal with all the pets. I figured they might cut into her interest in our job at hand. The other board members agreed, and we decided upon a highly qualified young lady that was there for the next several years.

Anyway, this limit on questioning of potential employees is just another boondoggle we can blame on the liberals. It is one more rock pulled from the foundation of our once great American society.
 
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If Swift is hiring illegal immigrants, they should be penalized. The law is the law. If they have to pay more for labor which will result in less money being paid for cattle, so be it.

The packer blamers will bitch regardless.


~SH~
 

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~SH~ said:
If Swift is hiring illegal immigrants, they should be penalized. The law is the law. If they have to pay more for labor which will result in less money being paid for cattle, so be it.

The packer blamers will bitch regardless.


~SH~

What about Tysons? Should they get away with it just because it was pre- 911 when it was tried in Chattanooga?
 
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Conman: "What about Tysons? Should they get away with it just because it was pre- 911 when it was tried in Chattanooga?"

If Tyson was proven to break the law they should pay the consequences even if this results in lower cattle prices. Nobody is above the law.

Hoping for a different answer huh?


~SH~
 

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Conman: "What about Tysons? Should they get away with it just because it was pre- 911 when it was tried in Chattanooga?"

If Tyson was proven to break the law they should pay the consequences even if this results in lower cattle prices. Nobody is above the law.

Hoping for a different answer huh?


~SH~

No, just glad you agree with me.
 

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I never mentioned anything about allowing Swift to break the law, but the double standard boys jump all over a question I asked and assume I support any packer breaking a law.

Nice diversion from a statement conman made that wages at packers should be higher.

I agree with SH and anyomne else that says a law breaker should be penalized.

I know for certian it isn't possible to acertain if an immigrant is legal or illegal with privacy laws Soap mentioned. I have friends in the States that have told me the nightmares of hiring people. If the proper documents are provided they just don't ask any other questions.
 
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Jason,

I knew you were not trying to justify breaking the law but rather pointing out the double standards in the packer blamer's arguments. I knew what you meant.

They bitch about low labor costs and they bitch about packers not paying enough for cattle.

Conclusion: THEY BITCH!


~SH~
 

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