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Swine Flu Shows Importance of Preparedness

hypocritexposer

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Swine Flu Shows Importance of Preparedness
By Matthew Harwood
Created 04/28/2009 - 09:57

Public health officials have generally approved of the Obama administration's response to the swine flu outbreak. Many cite the Bush administration's investment in pandemic planning as a key behind the quick response.

Public health officials have generally approved of the Obama administration's response to the swine flu outbreak. Many cite the Bush administration's investment in pandemic planning as a key behind the quick response.

According to The New York Times [1]:

Other public health experts also endorsed the administration’s response to the outbreak that emerged from Mexico. They gave much of the credit to President Bush, whose administration did extensive planning for such an emergency.

“We’re seeing a payoff of the original investment made in pandemic preparedness by the Bush administration,” said Jeffrey W. Levi, executive director of Trust for America’s Health. The term pandemic refers to a widespread outbreak of an infectious disease.

National Public Radio concurred [2]:

Much of the credit goes to [Michael] Leavitt [former secretary for Health and Human Services (HHS)] and the Bush administration for its multibillion-dollar pandemic planning effort started in 2005, which included pandemic summit meetings in each of the 50 states. But Jeff Levi of Trust for America's Health, a public health advocacy organization, says the Obama administration also deserves high marks for selecting the right career people to put in charge on an acting basis.

For example, he says, it's more than luck that put Richard Besser temporarily at the helm of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Besser had previously headed the agency's emergency preparedness programs.

Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, who is leading the U.S. response, said the government is taking no chances and treating the situation as if a pandemic will occur.

"We are proceeding as if we are preparatory to a full pandemic," Napolitano said. "We don't know that a pandemic actually will occur, but because we want to make sure that we have equipment where it needs to be, people where they need to be and, most important, information shared at all levels."

But The Washington Post reminds readers that the plan for pandemic preparedness [3] developed during the Bush administration has never been tested.

The Post also spoke with former officials who worry that the response could be bungled due to key vacancies in agencies dealing with public health and emergency response.

Via the Post:

The president has yet to fill 15 top positions at the health department or name a full-time director for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and five more nominations -- including that of former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to be HHS Secretary -- are awaiting confirmation by the Senate, officials at the department said.

The top post at the CDC remains open but is being filled by an acting director. And at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), which is leading the federal government's response to the swine flu outbreak, the functions of nearly 20 senior-level posts are being temporarily performed by career civil service employees.

The Post also cites Leavitt, who argues that the government's response to swine flu must come out of HHS and not DHS.

"Without a Secretary of HHS, this will begin to be managed in ways that will be inconsistent with its nature," he told the Post in an interview Monday. "If you were managing this out of Commerce, it would all be about trade. If it were Treasury, it would all be about the flow of money."

The Obama administration has repeatedly said publicly that it believes key vacancies have not and will not hinder the government's response to the swine flu outbreak.

As of this morning, 152 people have died due to swine flu—all in Mexico. The number of confirmed infections in the United States has increased to 50, while other cases have been reported in Australia, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand, Spain and Scotland.

It is difficult to track where the infection has spread because most countries do not have adequate detection technology. The CDC, however, began sending out detection kits worldwide yesterday to increase the ability of countries to confirm infections, reports the Times. It's suspected that as the kits are used, the number of confirmed cases will rise sharply.

http://www.securitymanagement.com/print/5533
 

hypocritexposer

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Obama Requests $1.5 Billion for Swine Flu Efforts

By Michael D. Shear
President Obama today asked Congress for an additional $1.5 billion to fight the swine flu, saying in a letter to Congressional leaders that he wants the money to be approved in the supplemental appropriation currently before lawmakers.

The letter was announced by press secretary Robert Gibbs at the daily White House briefing. Gibbs said the money could be used to produce more antiviral drugs, work on developing a vaccine or fight the spread of the disease.

"This is about prudent planning moving forward," Gibbs said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/04/28/obama_requests_15_billion_for.html?wprss=44
 

fff

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What a crock.

Bush Administration's Inadequate Pandemic Flu Plan Puts Health Workers, First Responders & Nation at Risk

WASHINGTON — With up to 35 percent of Americans likely to contract a potentially lethal disease in the event of a pandemic flu outbreak, AFSCME and several other labor unions petitioned the Bush administration today, demanding real protections for 15 million health care workers and first responders — our nation's first line of defense in this national health emergency.

"Hurricane Katrina exposed the devastation and misery that is created when our government is unprepared for and does not adequately respond to a major disaster," said AFSCME President Gerald W. McEntee "This administration has proposed a pandemic flu plan that would leave health workers, first responders and all Americans woefully unprotected."

On November 2, 2005, the Bush administration released the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Pandemic Influenza Plan. While the Plan appropriately recognizes the importance of vaccine development, it fails to protect health care workers and first responders, for example, by ignoring the serious potential for airborne transmission of the disease.

"The president's plan dismisses the devastating potential for airborne transmission of pandemic influenza," McEntee said. "Its only answer, calling on employers to stockpile surgical masks for health care workers, is akin to sending soldiers to Iraq with a BB gun instead of a firearm."

Specifically, the plan fails to protect heath workers and first responders by:

Calling for voluntary guidance instead of mandatory requirements: The plan's anemic worker protection recommendations are strictly voluntary, which means employers can choose to ignore them, or follow them selectively. Failure to establish comprehensive and effective mandatory requirements will place not only health workers but the health of our nation in great jeopardy. Providing insufficient guidance on respiratory protections: The plan's recommendation of surgical masks rather than respirators to protect health care workers is not only grossly inadequate but contradicts the existing guidance of other federal health agencies. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) have recommended fitted respirators. Surgical masks are not respirators. Respirators are fitted to each worker and can filter out contaminants from the air. Surgical masks can't achieve a tight seal against the skin nor capture respirable airborne droplets that contain the pandemic flu virus. Downgrading previous health standards: The CDC's main website for pandemic flu features the HHS Pandemic Flu Plan's weak recommendations for protecting workers, including advice to use a surgical mask. The CDC's more protective guidance for avian flu issued in May 2004, which recommends the use of respirators, is still available but only if the website visitor knows exactly where to find it. Incredibly, shortly after the HHS plan was released, the World Health Organization released a "Clarification," which downgraded its recommended respiratory protection for pandemic flu from respirators to surgical masks. Lacking a comprehensive exposure control plan: The plan fails to require worker training, communication of hazards to employees, medical surveillance and recordkeeping, all of which are typically contained in OSHA workplace standards, i.e., Bloodborne Pathogens.AFSCME's petition for an OSHA Emergency Temporary Standard for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness calls on the Bush administration to:

Require each workplace to develop a pandemic flu exposure plan that determines potential exposure and addresses medical surveillance needs, communications of hazards, training, vaccinations and recordkeeping. Require employers to provide comprehensive protections to health care workers, emergency responders and other essential personnel at high risk of occupational exposure to pandemic influenza. Make mandatory the use of ventilation, portable high-efficiency air (HEPA) filtration units, and other controls to reduce the amount of infectious particles workers are exposed to mandatory. Mandate employers to limit employees' exposure to infectious agents by delaying elective high-hazard procedures or surgery until an individual is deemed not infectious, and reducing the number of workers who need to enter patient rooms. Require medical removal protection so infected workers won't suffer loss of pay, benefits or other rights for the duration of their illness.Other petition signatories are: American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO), American Federation of Teachers (AFT), Communications Workers of America (CWA), United American Nurses (UAN), and United Steelworkers (USA).

http://www.afscme.org/press/6673.cfm

At one time Dr. Gerberding acknowledged 800 vacant positions in the CDC. Scientists left because of the Admiisitration didn't respect or acknowledge science and the low pay. Meahwhile Dr. Julie Gerberding gave herself and her top aides bonuses. What else would you expect from a Bush appointee?

The controversial tenure of CDC Director Julie Gerberding will end Jan. 20 —- after Barack Obama is sworn in as president, employees of the Atlanta-based agency were informed in an e-mail sent late Friday evening.

Until a new director is named, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s chief operating officer, Bill Gimson, will be acting director, the e-mail said.

Gerberding and Gimson were returning from Africa on Friday night and were unavailable for comment, according to a brief statement released by the agency.

“As part of the transition process, the administration requested resignation letters from a number of senior-level officials, including Dr. Julie Gerberding. This week, the administration accepted Dr. Gerberding’s resignation, effective January 20. As Dr. Gerberding noted in a November e-mail to CDC leadership, she has always expected that she would be leaving after the administration changes,” the written statement said.

Gerberding was the first woman to lead the agency, which has about 9,000 government employees and 5,000 contract workers.

Gerberding’s six years leading one of the nation’s most trusted institutions were marked by numerous controversies, from allegations that she allowed politics to interfere with science to concerns that her strategic decisions incapacitated the agency’s ability to respond in a public health crisis.

Through it all, Gerberding maintained that the changes she initiated at the agency had made it stronger and better able to do its job in a post-9/11 world. During her tenure, she has expressed pride in the agency’s response to outbreaks of SARS and monkeypox, its groundbreaking research into avian influenza and other diseases. In the past year, she increasingly spoke out on topics related to health care reform —- a key topic in the presidential election —- and the importance of preventing disease before it needs treatment.

“It will take more than reform of our health care delivery system to achieve this, because health doesn’t only happen in the doctor’s office or the hospital bed. Health is created in our homes, our schools, our work sites and in communities across America,” she wrote in a New Year’s Eve op-ed article in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Dr. Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, said Gerberding took the helm of the agency at a time of tremendous change following the anthrax attacks and helped transform it into its new role as a first-responder to bioterrorism.

Tom Skinner, a spokesman for Gerberding, said she considered her time at CDC “working side by side with the greatest work force in the world the greatest privilege. It’s something she always spoke about passionately.”

Yet, for much of her tenure, many CDC employees lacked confidence in her vision for the agency. Just 48 percent of CDC staff said they had a high level of respect for the agency’s senior leaders, according to results released last year of a federal survey of government employees.

Last year, congressional investigators concluded the CDC failed “in almost every respect” to protect Hurricane Katrina’s victims from dangerous formaldehyde fumes in government-provided trailers. And Gerberding was accused of playing politics by refusing to reappoint the director of the agency’s worker safety division —- a man widely respected by business leaders, labor unions and lawmakers.

Gerberding drew fire from Democratic lawmakers in 2007 when she delivered testimony to Congress about the health effects of climate change that had been censored by the White House.

In 2003, Gerberding launched a massive reorganization of the CDC that many employees say plunged the nation’s 911 system for public health into turmoil and caused an exodus of key scientific staff.

In December 2005, five former CDC directors sent Gerberding a highly unusual joint letter warning that the agency was in trouble in the wake of her reorganization. They were alarmed by the departures of critical staff.

Dr. Jeffrey Koplan, who preceded Gerberding as CDC director and was one of the authors of the letter, served on the Obama transition team for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. HHS is the parent agency of the CDC.

Koplan, a vice president at Emory University, was not immediately available for comment.

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/01/10/cdc.html

And even with a flu epidemic perhaps headed our way, Senate Republicans are still holding up Katherine Sebelius for Sec of HHS because of her political views on abortion! Playing politics with the health of Americans.
 

hypocritexposer

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And even with a flu epidemic perhaps heade our way, Senate Republicans are still holding up Katherine Sebelius for Sec of HHS because of her political views on abortion! Playing policis with the heath of Americans.

Is she going to fight for an individual's God given right to life, when it comes to Health Care, or will she decide who lives and dies.

I would question her political views also, when it comes to Humans' lives!
 

TexasBred

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fff...which virus did Bush overlook?? Perhaps Obama can see into the future and protect us from even those that evolve from today to next week.
 

MoGal

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in an email from natural news.com:
California, by the way, has just declared an official state of emergency for dealing with the swine flu. Two deaths there appear to have been caused by it, making them the first deaths recorded in the U.S. due to the outbreak.

The swine flu outbreak is dominating news headlines across the world this week, and for good reason! It technically qualifies as a Phase 5 outbreak according to the World Health Organization (WHO), but they've only "officially" raised the level to Phase 4 so far...

Why would they try to downplay the true danger of this fast-spreading virus? Read my article for possible reasons why:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026150.html

On the same cover-up theme, a hospital in Florida appears to have been caught up in a swine flu cover-up after its chief medical officer announced a patient there had been diagnosed with the infection. The hospital called a press conference and denied any "CDC-confirmed" infections, which probably means a patient was infected, but the CDC hasn't acknowledged it yet, so they're not willing to admit anything.

Why all the swine flu secrecy? Read my report on that development here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026152.html

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NaturalNews) Homeopathy was successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918 and can provide answers to questions about the 2009 Swine Flu. Homeopathy can provide quick and inexpensive relief for symptoms of the flu. A system of medicine based on the principles of "like cures like," homeopathy uses plant, mineral and animal sources for the natural flu remedies. Homeopathy is based on ideas from ideas dating back to Egyptian medicine. The term "homeopathy" was coined by the medical doctor and medical reformer, Samuel Hahnemann in the 1800s. Homeopathic remedies have been used to treat flu symptoms for two centuries.

Was homeopathy successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918?
Yes.
While the mortality rate of people treated with traditional medicine and drugs was 30 percent, those treated by homeopathic physicians had mortality rate of 1.05 percent.
Of the fifteen hundred cases reported at the Homeopathic Medical Society of the District of Columbia there were only fifteen deaths. Recoveries in the National Homeopathic Hospital were 100%. In Ohio, of 1,000 cases of influenza, Dr. T. A. McCann, MD, Dayton, Ohio reported NO DEATHS.

What homeopathic remedies were used to successfully treat the Spanish flu in 1918?
Gelsemium and Bryonia
According the Dr. Frank Wieland, MD, in Chicago, "(With) 8,000 workers we had only one death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no aspirin and no vaccines."

Homeopathy was 98% successful in treating the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918?
Yes.
Ohio reported that 24,000 cases of flu treated allopathically had a mortality rate of 28.2% while 26,000 cases of flu treated homeopathically had a mortality rate of 1.05% . In Connecticut, 6,602 cases were reported, with 55 deaths, less than 1%. Dr. Roberts, a physician on a troop ship during WWI, had 81 cases of flu on the way over to Europe. He reported, "All recovered and were landed. Every man received homeopathic treatment.

How do they know that a virus caused the flu epidemic of 1918, when the first virus was not isolated until 1933?
They don`t. In fact, many believe that the epidemic was actually a vaccine reaction.
When Army vaccinations became compulsory in 1911, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson reported that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. He also reported 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of WW1. According to a report in the Irish Examiner, "The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu."

Did the flu strain that caused the 1918 flu ever return?
Yes.
The 1918 `Spanish Flu` was first reported in an American military, Camp Funston, Fort Riley, in troops preparing for WW1 and receiving 25 vaccinations. According to the CDC, the same flu strain appeared only one other time: in 1976. This was again at a US army base, Fort Dix, and again, was seen in recently vaccinated troops, and only in them. The virus has not appeared anywhere else.

Is homeopathy successful in treating the modern flu?
Yes.

What can I do to prevent the flu?
Good food, clean living, rest and exercise are the basic ingredients.
There are certain nutrients that have been shown to help enhance the immune system, such as echinacea, vitamins C, E and beta carotene, zinc, and elderberries.

http://www.cdc.gov/
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexamine...
http://www.naturalnews.com/024911.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/025316.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/025780.html
 

hypocritexposer

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Just to keep everybody updated. No panic, normal stuff, but thought I'd let you know, so it did not come as a surprise.

April 28, 2009 5:12 PM
DHS Sets Guidelines For Possible Swine Flu Quarantines

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has sent a memo to some health care providers noting procedures to be followed if the swine flu outbreak eventually makes quarantines necessary.

DHS Assistant Secretary Bridger McGaw circulated the swine flu memo, which was obtained by CBSNews.com, on Monday night. It says: "The Department of Justice has established legal federal authorities pertaining to the implementation of a quarantine and enforcement. Under approval from HHS, the Surgeon General has the authority to issue quarantines."

McGaw appears to have been referring to the section of federal law that allows the Surgeon General to detain and quarantine Americans "reasonably believed to be infected" with a communicable disease. A Centers for Disease Control official said on Tuesday that swine flu deaths in the U.S. are likely.

Federal quarantine authority is limited to diseases listed in presidential executive orders; President Bush added "novel" forms of influenza with the potential to create pandemics in Executive Order 13375. Anyone violating a quarantine order can be punished by a $250,000 fine and a one-year prison term.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/28/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4975598.shtml
 

aplusmnt

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Just another chance to keep the masses in fear. Flu comes and goes, wash your hands and live your lives. Just because they put the word Swine in front of it does not mean anything.

1,000's die of normal flu strains every year, let me know when this strain kills more than normal and I will panic! :roll:
 

kolanuraven

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aplusmnt said:
Just another chance to keep the masses in fear. Flu comes and goes, wash your hands and live your lives. Just because they put the word Swine in front of it does not mean anything.

1,000's die of normal flu strains every year, let me know when this strain kills more than normal and I will panic! :roll:


OMG!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!! This flu thing must surely be THE END......as I agree with this post by AHole!!


I better careful today...the moon and stars must be outta line or something...cause this just don't happen....I mean it just DON'T!!!!!
 

Mike

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The problem with a new strain of flu is that people do not have any resistant immunities.

With travel methods as they are today, it's a possibilty that the 35,000 normal flu deaths each year could be reached within a week or so. When that happens, it will be too late and 100's of thousands will probably die as a result.

The child that died recently in Texas came directly from Mexico. That should be an eye opener.

Shut the Mexican border down TODAY! Why risk one death?
 
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Mike said:
The problem with a new strain of flu is that people do not have any resistant immunities.

With travel methods as they are today, it's a possibilty that the 35,000 normal flu deaths each year could be reached within a week or so. When that happens, it will be too late and 100's of thousands will probably die as a result.

The child that died recently in Texas came directly from Mexico. That should be an eye opener.

Shut the Mexican border down TODAY! Why risk one death?

I watched yesterdays hearings about the flu last night-- and old Kaye Bailey Hutchinson was all concerned about the Mexicans coming into the US....But she was not very open to closing the border because it will disrupt "trade".... She wanted a CDC worker at every port, airport and sneak across spot taking their temperature.. :roll:

Can't disrupt that "trade"- a drugger might go into withdrawls....
 

Mike

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Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
The problem with a new strain of flu is that people do not have any resistant immunities.

With travel methods as they are today, it's a possibilty that the 35,000 normal flu deaths each year could be reached within a week or so. When that happens, it will be too late and 100's of thousands will probably die as a result.

The child that died recently in Texas came directly from Mexico. That should be an eye opener.

Shut the Mexican border down TODAY! Why risk one death?

I watched yesterdays hearings about the flu last night-- and old Kaye Bailey Hutchinson was all concerned about the Mexicans coming into the US....But she was not very open to closing the border because it will disrupt "trade".... She wanted a CDC worker at every port, airport and sneak across spot taking their temperature.. :roll:

Can't disrupt that "trade"- a drugger might go into withdrawls....

I don't give a shiat about Kaye Bailey Hutchinson. She's not running the country alone now and is only one politician amongst many.

Where does the Buck Stop now? :roll:
 

MsSage

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From the CDC
What is the difference between pandemic influenza and annual seasonal influenza?
An influenza pandemic is a global outbreak of disease that occurs when a new influenza A virus appears or "emerges" in the human population, causes serious illness, and then spreads easily from person to person worldwide. Pandemics are different from seasonal outbreaks or "epidemics" of influenza. Seasonal outbreaks are caused by subtypes of influenza viruses that are already in existence among people, whereas pandemic outbreaks are caused by new subtypes or by subtypes that have never circulated (spread) among people or that have not circulated among people for a long time. Past influenza pandemics have led to high levels of illness, death, social disruption, and economic loss.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/qa_influenza_amendment_to_eo_13295.htm

What have yall done to prepare? Has anyone even considered they might have a disruption or heaven forbid a quarantine?
Do any of yall KNOW how much food comes from Mexico? What would you do if there was/is a shortage in the food supply?
 

kolanuraven

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MsSage said:
From the CDC
What is the difference between pandemic influenza and annual seasonal influenza?
An influenza pandemic is a global outbreak of disease that occurs when a new influenza A virus appears or "emerges" in the human population, causes serious illness, and then spreads easily from person to person worldwide. Pandemics are different from seasonal outbreaks or "epidemics" of influenza. Seasonal outbreaks are caused by subtypes of influenza viruses that are already in existence among people, whereas pandemic outbreaks are caused by new subtypes or by subtypes that have never circulated (spread) among people or that have not circulated among people for a long time. Past influenza pandemics have led to high levels of illness, death, social disruption, and economic loss.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/qa_influenza_amendment_to_eo_13295.htm

What have yall done to prepare? Has anyone even considered they might have a disruption or heaven forbid a quarantine?
Do any of yall KNOW how much food comes from Mexico? What would you do if there was/is a shortage in the food supply?


I'm not worrying about a thing.

This thing seems to me as a whole and complete OVER-REACTION.


I've never...ever...had the flu and don't take the flu shots as my Dr.s seem to think I've some sort of odd immunity to it.
Plenty of people around me in my life have had it...had it bad...and it never seems to land on me. Why...who knows????

I have forever washed my store bought veggies in Clorox water.....always wash my hands .....use those wipes @ the store to wipe down the buggy handles.

So, I'm not doing anything different.
 

backhoeboogie

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kolanuraven said:
MsSage said:
From the CDC
What is the difference between pandemic influenza and annual seasonal influenza?
An influenza pandemic is a global outbreak of disease that occurs when a new influenza A virus appears or "emerges" in the human population, causes serious illness, and then spreads easily from person to person worldwide. Pandemics are different from seasonal outbreaks or "epidemics" of influenza. Seasonal outbreaks are caused by subtypes of influenza viruses that are already in existence among people, whereas pandemic outbreaks are caused by new subtypes or by subtypes that have never circulated (spread) among people or that have not circulated among people for a long time. Past influenza pandemics have led to high levels of illness, death, social disruption, and economic loss.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/qa_influenza_amendment_to_eo_13295.htm

What have yall done to prepare? Has anyone even considered they might have a disruption or heaven forbid a quarantine?
Do any of yall KNOW how much food comes from Mexico? What would you do if there was/is a shortage in the food supply?


I'm not worrying about a thing.

This thing seems to me as a whole and complete OVER-REACTION.


I've never...ever...had the flu and don't take the flu shots as my Dr.s seem to think I've some sort of odd immunity to it.
Plenty of people around me in my life have had it...had it bad...and it never seems to land on me. Why...who knows????

I have forever washed my store bought veggies in Clorox water.....always wash my hands .....use those wipes @ the store to wipe down the buggy handles.

So, I'm not doing anything different.

I am doing other things. They have shut down schools that many of my peers have children attending. They have shut down day cares and my secretary has taken off to try to find an alternative care for her little one.

You didn't mention any of these things in your actions. How would you deal with a shortage in the work force?
 

backhoeboogie

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Here you go. How are you going to deal with this when it affects your workforce DIRECTLY?

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1346564.html

Cleburne is only 20 miles away and we have lots of folks living there.
 

MsSage

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I was only pointing out the Basic LOL
So what are you doing to deal with shortage in labor? It will get worse as this spreads.

NO its NOT the end of the world but its going to be big. It is man-made and put out "accidently" :roll:
I know how few the people at the store was the other day, But then we do have a very large population of Mexicans both legal and not.
 

hypocritexposer

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Talk about an over reaction. I heard a conspiracy theory so far fetched in March, it would make your head spin.

Some Doctor was predicting that the government had already released a biological threat. She said it would be "flu" that was never seen before and a combination of viruses that had been only present in different geographical locations, previously. That was on March 12th.

Now she is all over saying, "told ya so"

She probably believes that if she makes these claims every 2 weeks, she'll eventually be correct.

Reminds me of all the microbiologists being violently killed in 2001/2002, when the anthrax scare was hyped up by the media.

"That being the case, a few eyebrows were raised when five microbiologists either disappeared or died mysteriously violent deaths in 2001. A short time later the number rose to 19, and then 29.

Deaths are coincidental folks, and they will coincide with makers of vaccines making a pot full of money.

That does not make it a conspiracy. Give your heads a shake.
 

MsSage

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That does not make it a conspiracy. Give your heads a shake
OK fine but where in nature does human~bird~swine flu get passed and merge to form one other than in a labartory? How does a virus get intruduced into the population without someone releasing it?
A conspiracy maybe not but it is a big deal.

Hail I dont understand why anyone would not want to have atleast 3 weeks worth of food and other items on hand. If you dont need it you can still use the items just replace them to keep up the store. I would rather have on hand and NOT need the food then need and no way to get food.
This is not life ending but I hope its a wake up call to many.
I use to get the flu shot and got the flu every time....the past 6 years I have not and no flu. I will NOT get the "new flu" shot this time but I do have items on hand just in case.
 
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