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kolanuraven

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CNN) — John McCain criticized Barack Obama Saturday for not denouncing comments from a speaker at a North Dakota Democratic Party event calling the Arizona senator a "warmonger."

The comments in question came Friday evening at an event in North Dakota where Barack Obama also spoke. Radio talk show host Ed Schultz addressed the crowd, during which he criticized McCain's support of the Iraq war and called him a "warmonger." Obama was not present for Schultz's comments and spoke later at the event.

"I hope that in keeping with the spirit of Sen. Obama, that they condemn, that Sen. Obama will condemn such language since it was a part of his campaign," McCain said. "But that kind of language is unnecessary for this campaign. I think its very clear how I feel about war and my experiences with it." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ ....link to whole story.


Now correct me if I'm wrong , but wasn't it McCain what did his version of " bomb..bomb...Iran', a take off of the old Beach Boys song...and then giggled about it??????

Ahhh...here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Besides, why should Obama basically take up for McCain? Apparently Obama wasn't even close by when the statement was made.

This is what I mean when I say McCain is ' dottery'.
 

Goodpasture

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kolanuraven said:
This is what I mean when I say McCain is ' dottery'.
He is simply trying to remain on the front page of the newspapers. With all the attention focusing on where the action is (the campaigns of Obama and Clinton) he is lost in the shuffle.......he has to say something, however mundane, to remain relevant.
 

Bullhauler

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I found it funny that both Obama and Hillary spoke at the North Dakota convention. I think they got mixed up on which of the Dakotas has yet to hold a primary. Who knows maybe they think McCain will be the first Republican to lose North Dakota since Goldwater.
 
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Anonymous

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Bullhauler said:
I found it funny that both Obama and Hillary spoke at the North Dakota convention. I think they got mixed up on which of the Dakotas has yet to hold a primary. Who knows maybe they think McCain will be the first Republican to lose North Dakota since Goldwater.

They both been in Montana for the last few days too-- with Obama drawing some large crowds...In Missoula (college town) yesterday they said the lines were already around the building by 7:30 AM (with folks starting to line up at 6AM) for the 10AM speech- with at least 7700 of the 8000 tickets having been presold...
Obama even hit the world famous M&M Bar in Butte America...

Bill didn't apparently impress our Governor:

Bill Clinton told hard-faced souls on the high plains that enough wind blows from Texas to Montana "to electrify America." Schweitzer had a slightly different take. "His speeches went on long enough to run a wind turbine," he said, when I spoke to him this week.
 

Bullhauler

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Oldtimer said:
Bullhauler said:
I found it funny that both Obama and Hillary spoke at the North Dakota convention. I think they got mixed up on which of the Dakotas has yet to hold a primary. Who knows maybe they think McCain will be the first Republican to lose North Dakota since Goldwater.

They both been in Montana for the last few days too-- with Obama drawing some large crows...In Missoula (college town) yesterday they said the lines were already around the building by 7:30 AM (with folks starting to line up at 6AM) for the 10AM speech- with at least 7700 of the 8000 tickets having been presold...
Obama even hit the world famous M&M Bar in Butte America...

Bill didn't apparently impress our Governor:

Bill Clinton told hard-faced souls on the high plains that enough wind blows from Texas to Montana "to electrify America." Schweitzer had a slightly different take. "His speeches went on long enough to run a wind turbine," he said, when I spoke to him this week.


That is funny because I don't think either one has been in South Dakota yet and we have a primary coming up.
 
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Goodpasture said:
Oldtimer said:
-- with Obama drawing some large crows...
Your crows there bigger than they are here??????????????

Yah I saw that now-fixed it---Could have been crows too as we been seeing some of those lately....Cranes going north too- so spring must be here....

Obama revs up early Missoula crowd
By KEILA SZPALLER
Missoulian

MISSOULA - Missoula roared Saturday morning for U.S. Sen. Barack Obama. In the Adams Center, Montanans danced, held up their babies and even wept for a presidential candidate that some believe will restore the American Dream in their towns and integrity to the White House.
"I've lived here in Montana all my life. I've never seen anything here like this before, this energy today. Montana is coming alive," said Carole Meyers of Missoula.
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2008/04/06/news/state/23-election_g.txt

Obama: Health care, tax cuts key
By CHARLES S. JOHNSON
Gazette State Bureau

BUTTE - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said in an interview Saturday night that the first step to improve health care availability in rural areas like Montana is to make sure every American has health coverage.

In an brief interview with the Gazette State Bureau after his speech in the Butte Civic Center, the Illinois senator also said that one way to deal with fast-rising gasoline prices is to provide tax cuts to middle-class people so they will have more money to spend on gas. He called for targeting excessive profits by American oil companies and making the companies invest in alternative energy and increasing refinery capacity.

On gun issues, Obama said he doesn't think Montanans would disagree with his position. He said he is a defender of the Second Amendment but favors more effective background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mentally ill people.

Here are highlights of the interview: Q: Montana's a state, as you've probably seen, with a lot of distance between people. Rural health care is a major problem. It's some of these towns to even attract doctors, much less hospitals. What would you propose to do about rural health care?

"First of all, we've got to take care of health care generally by making sure that everybody's got coverage. I put forward a plan that lowers people's premiums for those who have health insurance by up to $2,500 per family per year, and everybody who doesn't have health insurance or who wants better health insurance, they can buy into a health care plan similar to the one I have as a member of Congress.

"As you pointed out, we've got a particular problem with rural health care, and that's why I think it's so important for us to provide scholarships for medical students who are willing to local to rural areas, nurses. We've got to make sure we're giving the help to rural hospitals to stay open, and that includes providing them with resources for information technology so they can become more efficient and more effective in the care that they provide."

Q: Again citing the rural nature of the state, gasoline prices are projected to be $4 a gallon. There's a lot of distance between places. Do you have any immediate fixes?

"The immediate fix is to provide middles class tax cuts to people making $75,000 a year and less, which will mean an additional $1,000 in the pockets of hard-working families. For senior citizens, if they make less than $50,000, they shouldn't have to pay income taxes on their Social Security. That will put more money in their pockets.

"We also should look going after at the windfall profits of some of these oil companies. ExxonMobil made $11 billion in the last quarter, and getting them to reinvest in some refinery capacity could also could provide some relief.

"Long term, we've got to move toward alternative energy, and your governor has been a great leader on this issue."

Q: Your position on guns probably isn't popular with a lot of Montanans. How would you defend that to a Montanan?

"I think it might get distorted in a way that wasn't popular, but my actual position I think is perfectly compatible, with the view of most Montanans, which is I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in the right to lawful gun ownership.

"I also think that we should we add more effective background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and keep guns out of the hands of those with mental-health problems. I think we should close the gun show loophole and go after unscrupulous gun dealers that are selling to distraught purchasers."
 

Sandhusker

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Goodpasture said:
kolanuraven said:
This is what I mean when I say McCain is ' dottery'.
He is simply trying to remain on the front page of the newspapers. With all the attention focusing on where the action is (the campaigns of Obama and Clinton) he is lost in the shuffle.......he has to say something, however mundane, to remain relevant.

Actually, with the Democrats at each other's throats exposing the weaknesses of their candidates and the reasons that disqualify either from being President, he's just sitting in the corner taking notes and giggling his butt off.

:lol:
 

don

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sitting in the corner giggling his butt off might say more about his mental state than anything else.
 

Clarencen

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Unless there are some changes before November, it looks like our political situation is in a sorry mess.
What we need is someone who can again make the position of the presidency respectable. We also need someone who can renew the worlds respect for our country. I don't know if any of the present candidates can do that.

I can not see how Obama has got to where he is. I really believe that our ultra liberal, anything goes if it feels good, media has led the people around like sheep.

Obama is really an alien. and an outsider. Although his mother was an American and he was born on US territory, his father is from, and lives in Kenya. I believe his father is a Muslin and has had four wives. I can not believe he has the fundamental background of some one we want for president. We may be ready for a black man as president but not Obama.

My choice, I guess would be McCain, but he is 71 years old, may only be able to serve one term. A president doesn't really get much dome until the second half of his first term and the first half of his second term.

Please, God help us.
 

per

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What changes could possibly happen before November? The average voter is not going to look at an independent.
 

Cal

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kolanuraven said:
CNN) — John McCain criticized Barack Obama Saturday for not denouncing comments from a speaker at a North Dakota Democratic Party event calling the Arizona senator a "warmonger."

The comments in question came Friday evening at an event in North Dakota where Barack Obama also spoke. Radio talk show host Ed Schultz addressed the crowd, during which he criticized McCain's support of the Iraq war and called him a "warmonger." Obama was not present for Schultz's comments and spoke later at the event.

"I hope that in keeping with the spirit of Sen. Obama, that they condemn, that Sen. Obama will condemn such language since it was a part of his campaign," McCain said. "But that kind of language is unnecessary for this campaign. I think its very clear how I feel about war and my experiences with it." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ ....link to whole story.


Now correct me if I'm wrong , but wasn't it McCain what did his version of " bomb..bomb...Iran', a take off of the old Beach Boys song...and then giggled about it??????

Ahhh...here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Besides, why should Obama basically take up for McCain? Apparently Obama wasn't even close by when the statement was made.

This is what I mean when I say McCain is ' dottery'.
I think that Libs are more musical than conservatives, by and large. By making a song out of his intentions to start a war with Iran, he is obviously hoping that this will work on them like a jingle for a successful product.....or at least that's what I'm thinking by the way so many of you keep coming back to a stupid joke....apparently it's working. :roll:
 
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Cal said:
kolanuraven said:
CNN) — John McCain criticized Barack Obama Saturday for not denouncing comments from a speaker at a North Dakota Democratic Party event calling the Arizona senator a "warmonger."

The comments in question came Friday evening at an event in North Dakota where Barack Obama also spoke. Radio talk show host Ed Schultz addressed the crowd, during which he criticized McCain's support of the Iraq war and called him a "warmonger." Obama was not present for Schultz's comments and spoke later at the event.

"I hope that in keeping with the spirit of Sen. Obama, that they condemn, that Sen. Obama will condemn such language since it was a part of his campaign," McCain said. "But that kind of language is unnecessary for this campaign. I think its very clear how I feel about war and my experiences with it." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ ....link to whole story.


Now correct me if I'm wrong , but wasn't it McCain what did his version of " bomb..bomb...Iran', a take off of the old Beach Boys song...and then giggled about it??????

Ahhh...here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I

Besides, why should Obama basically take up for McCain? Apparently Obama wasn't even close by when the statement was made.

This is what I mean when I say McCain is ' dottery'.
I think that Libs are more musical than conservatives, by and large. By making a song out of his intentions to start a war with Iran, he is obviously hoping that this will work on them like a jingle for a successful product.....or at least that's what I'm thinking by the way so many of you keep coming back to a stupid joke....apparently it's working. :roll:

Well he's doing a good job of scaring the living cr*p out of a lot of mothers and grandmothers out there- that want a President and country that works with the rest of the world toward peace and not putting their children and grandchildren into a 100 years war.... :(
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
that want a President and country that works with the rest of the world toward peace and not putting their children and grandchildren into a 100 years war.... :(

OT I really thought you were smarter and more honest than to go around using that 100 year comment like all the far left loonies out there.

You know what he said and what he was talking about, I know you do because you Google and read way to much to not know!

Come on come clean, are you not just using the 100 year reference for sensationalism on here? You know what he was talking about don't you?
 
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aplusmnt said:
Oldtimer said:
that want a President and country that works with the rest of the world toward peace and not putting their children and grandchildren into a 100 years war.... :(

OT I really thought you were smarter and more honest than to go around using that 100 year comment like all the far left loonies out there.

You know what he said and what he was talking about, I know you do because you Google and read way to much to not know!

Come on come clean, are you not just using the 100 year reference for sensationalism on here? You know what he was talking about don't you?

He was answering about defending Bush's War- and Bush's saying we might have to be in Iraq for 10 more years- and McCain answered we might need to be there 100- and then went on to say "that would be fine with him" :shock:

Yep- another neocon that doesn't care where or how your and my money is spent-or where all these war costs are coming from and how to pay for 100 years of war...

Then you add that the old dolt goes around singing BOMB, BOMB, BOMB, BOMB IRAN--and the fact he echoes Bush's policy of no negotiations or talking with many of these foreign leaders- plus his open hatred of Russia and Putin- and most see him as a bigger warmonger than King George...

All the Dems have to do is pull out the old ad they ran against Goldwater of the Atom Bomb going off- and replace Goldwaters picture with McCains....
People want an END to this war......
 

Mike

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Don't forget to include the whole quote:

McCain: "As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That's fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day."

:roll: :roll:
 
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All the security experts and military ex-Generals testifying to Congress last week said that there are no military objectives left for the military to stay in Iraq for... Its up to Iraq now- all political-- and as long as we stay there- pour in taxpayer money to them- they will do nothing but take it...

Most all agreed- that we could be there for 50 years- but we will not prevent the inevitable- a civil/sectarian clash for power/war- that will probably end up with some Colonel or General of the Iraq Army in control of the government...

They also all agreed that when we pull out- we need to take everyone out except the Marine Unit that will be left to protect the Green Zone (and that could easily be re-enforced or defended)- as if we just leave smaller scattered units we are just asking for another Moghidishu...This needs to be done because every day we stay in with adequate forces the US military and our ability to defend the country and fight the war in Afghanistan denigrates- as the Army has completely used up (over utilized) all its manpower and resources....

As General McCaffrey said- "this war is over"- and the troops need to be brought home......

U.S. must leave Iraq, retired generals say

By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Apr 4, 2008 12:45:38 EDT

Setting a withdrawal timetable from Iraq might be a shaky strategic move, but it would provide a morale boost for service members and their families, a former Army War College commandant said Wednesday.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales Jr., testifying before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee about U.S. military strategy in Iraq, said he has no doubt that a major withdrawal of combat forces is coming because the U.S. has “run out of military options” and cannot indefinitely sustain troop levels.

“Regardless of who wins the election and regardless of conditions on the ground, by summer the troops will begin to come home,” said Scales, who headed the war college in 1997. “The only point of contention is how precipitous will be the withdrawal and whether the schedule of withdrawal should be a matter of administration policy.”

White House and Pentagon officials have resisted efforts by some lawmakers to set a fixed timetable for withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Iraq, arguing that insurgents and other groups would try to use the dates to their advantage.

Scales, who was one of the creators of the Army After Next program in 1995 that helped plan for transforming the force, agreed that following a fixed withdrawal schedule “is not a good idea in an insurgency because the indigenous population tends to side with the perceived winners.”

“However, some publicly expressed window of withdrawal is necessary, for no other reason than to give soldier’s families some hope that their loved ones will not be stuck on a perpetual rollercoaster of deployments,” he said.

Scales testified along with two other retired Army generals, Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Lt. Gen. William Odom, who also agreed a withdrawal of U.S. combat troops early in the next president’s administration is inevitable.

“We face a deteriorating political situation with an over-extended Army,” said Odom, who served as director of the National Security Agency in the Reagan administration.

“The only sensible strategy is to withdraw rapidly but in good order,” Odom said. “Only that step can break the paralysis now gripping U.S. strategy in the region.”

McCaffrey, a former chief of U.S. Southern Command and commander of the 24th Infantry Division in the 1991 Gulf War, predicted a withdrawal of U.S. forces within three years or less because there is “no U.S. political will to continue” and because allies “have abandoned us.”

“It is over,” McCaffrey said.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/04/military_iraqwithdrawal_040208w/
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
All the security experts and military ex-Generals testifying to Congress last week said that there are no military objectives left for the military to stay in Iraq for... Its up to Iraq now- all political-- and as long as we stay there- pour in taxpayer money to them- they will do nothing but take it...

KEY WORDS ex_generals I am sure they have all the intellignce necessary to base what they are saying on!!
just like you OT, with all your superior contacts and all the security briefings you have set in on!!!

Most all agreed- that we could be there for 50 years- but we will not prevent the inevitable- a civil/sectarian clash for power/war- that will probably end up with some Colonel or General of the Iraq Army in control of the government...

They also all agreed that when we pull out- we need to take everyone out except the Marine Unit that will be left to protect the Green Zone (and that could easily be re-enforced or defended)- as if we just leave smaller scattered units we are just asking for another Moghidishu...This needs to be done because every day we stay in with adequate forces the US military and our ability to defend the country and fight the war in Afghanistan denigrates- as the Army has completely used up (over utilized) all its manpower and resources....

As General McCaffrey said- "this war is over"- and the troops need to be brought home......

U.S. must leave Iraq, retired generals say

By Rick Maze - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Apr 4, 2008 12:45:38 EDT

Setting a withdrawal timetable from Iraq might be a shaky strategic move, but it would provide a morale boost for service members and their families, a former Army War College commandant said Wednesday.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales Jr., testifying before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee about U.S. military strategy in Iraq, said he has no doubt that a major withdrawal of combat forces is coming because the U.S. has “run out of military options” and cannot indefinitely sustain troop levels.

“Regardless of who wins the election and regardless of conditions on the ground, by summer the troops will begin to come home,” said Scales, who headed the war college in 1997. “The only point of contention is how precipitous will be the withdrawal and whether the schedule of withdrawal should be a matter of administration policy.”

White House and Pentagon officials have resisted efforts by some lawmakers to set a fixed timetable for withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Iraq, arguing that insurgents and other groups would try to use the dates to their advantage.

Scales, who was one of the creators of the Army After Next program in 1995 that helped plan for transforming the force, agreed that following a fixed withdrawal schedule “is not a good idea in an insurgency because the indigenous population tends to side with the perceived winners.”

In case you haven't noticed it is 2008.

“However, some publicly expressed window of withdrawal is necessary, for no other reason than to give soldier’s families some hope that their loved ones will not be stuck on a perpetual rollercoaster of deployments,” he said.

Scales testified along with two other retired Army generals, Gen. Barry McCaffrey and Lt. Gen. William Odom, who also agreed a withdrawal of U.S. combat troops early in the next president’s administration is inevitable.

“We face a deteriorating political situation with an over-extended Army,” said Odom, who served as director of the National Security Agency in the Reagan administration.

“The only sensible strategy is to withdraw rapidly but in good order,” Odom said. “Only that step can break the paralysis now gripping U.S. strategy in the region.”

McCaffrey, a former chief of U.S. Southern Command and commander of the 24th Infantry Division in the 1991 Gulf War, predicted a withdrawal of U.S. forces within three years or less because there is “no U.S. political will to continue” and because allies “have abandoned us.”

“It is over,” McCaffrey said.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/04/military_iraqwithdrawal_040208w/
 
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