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jodywy

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The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.

• December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.

• May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking "dirty bomb," convicted of conspiracy.

• September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

• May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with trying to topple the Brooklyn Bridge.

• June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.

• August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).

• Click here to view photos.

• August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

• August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.

• June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.

• August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.

• December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up refinery in Wyoming, convicted of providing material support to terrorists.

• February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.

• April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.

• June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.

• July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to hit New York City train tunnels.

• August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.

• May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey.

• June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries underneath JFK Airport in New York.

• March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.
 

fff

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My, what an impressive list. :roll: But if you look, you'll see that most are "accused" not convicted, at least of terrorism charges. I'll just point out one:

Lyglenson Lemorin and six others were charged with planning to blow up the Sears Tower. Lemorin was acquited and a mistrial declared for the other six. I think if you'll take time to search the others on your list that have been "accused", you'll find that most of them have not been convicted of anything. More incompetence from this administration? Or justice for unjustly accused?

One of seven indigent men charged with plotting to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago as part of an Islamic jihad was acquitted on Thursday, and a mistrial was declared in the prosecution of the six others after the jury said it was hopelessly deadlocked.

The outcome was a significant defeat for the Bush administration, which had described the case as a major crackdown on homegrown terrorists.

http://www.gainesvillesun.com/article/20071214/ZNYT02/712140339
 

Goodpasture

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fff said:
My, what an impressive list. :roll:
Yeah, but it sure works to scare the pee out of those with no backbone when the administration wants to take away some more of our freedoms under the guise of protecting us......after all, see how well they have done? Guess they stopped the boogyman in his tracks eh? but then they don't have to have anyone come here to kill Americans.....we send our kids over there to be shot and blown up.....
 

Mike

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The Terror Nobody Knows: Thwarted Attacks on the U.S.
Friday, March 07, 2008

By Joseph Abrams

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In July 2005, the Los Angeles Police Department caught a group of men who had been robbing gas stations in the area. While investigating, police uncovered something far worse: The gas station hits were bankrolling a terrorist plot to attack National Guard facilities, synagogues, the Israeli consulate and Los Angeles International Airport.

Deputy Chief of Police Michael Downing says the group was "closer to going operational at the time than anyone since 9/11."

• Click here for a list of thwarted terror attacks since Sept 11.

Thomas P. O'Brien, the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, says, "An untold number of lives may have been saved when this terrorist cell was dismantled."

This story is hardly unique: Since Sept. 11, authorities have disrupted more than 20 publicly known plots against domestic U.S. targets, involving dozens of arrests at home and abroad.

Some of these plots are well-known, such as Richard Reid's failed "shoe bombing" in December 2001 and the liquid explosives plot of 2006, when British investigators uncovered a plan to carry bombs on airliners bound for the U.S. Each of those incidents permanently changed airport security protocols.

Then there was the plot to kill U.S. soldiers using assault rifles and grenades at Fort Dix in New Jersey, and the so-called "Lackawanna Six," who pleaded guilty to providing support to Al Qaeda.

But others have passed by with little notice from the general public, as well as critics of government efforts to protect the U.S. from homegrown terror attacks.

• Click here to view pictures of terrorists and their targets.

Take, for example, Iyman Faris, of Columbus, Ohio, who plotted to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge and was convicted of conspiracy and providing material support for Al Qaeda in 2003.

Later that year 11 men with connections to Al Qaeda were discovered training for jihad in Virginia, using paintball games to simulate battlefield situations. In 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj were convicted of planning to bomb New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, a household name for his role as mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, also is known to have prepared little-known strikes against America's tallest building, the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the Empire State Building in New York and the U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles.

In contrast, Dhiren Barot may not be a familiar name, although some security experts say he should be. An Indian convert to Islam, the Pakistan-based Barot planned a series of ruinous attacks on the U.S. and U.K, including the New York Stock Exchange and the IMF building in Washington, D.C. Barot was caught by British authorities in 2004 and sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiracy to commit murder.

Andrew McCarthy, director of the Center for Law and Counterterrorism at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, credits much of the success in preventing terrorist attacks at home to the pursuit of enemies overseas.

"There have been days in Iraq and Afghanistan," he says, "where we have killed or captured more terrorists than we did between 1993, when the World Trade Center was attacked, and 2001, when the World Trade Center was destroyed."

"But," McCarthy cautions, "once you get them over here, the rules of the justice system apply."

Successful prosecutions are key to tackling terrorism, but they are not an easy process. Investigators prefer to wait for overwhelming evidence of a terrorist plot, and the timing is difficult.

"It's more dangerous to let things play out because law enforcement is rarely, if ever, in control during these investigations," McCarthy says.

Plots often are disrupted early and as a result, he says, "you don't often have well-developed cases."

But there have been successes, and the courts have been very active since Sept. 11. According to Sean Boyd, a spokesman for the Justice Department, 527 defendants have been charged in terrorism or terrorism-related cases arising from investigations primarily conducted after Sept. 11.

Those cases have resulted in 319 convictions, with an additional 176 cases pending in court.

It's not a perfect record for the Justice Department, but it still is a good one, says McCarthy, who prosecuted and convicted "blind sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman, ringleader of the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.

"The batting average is not as high as it was prior to Sept. 11," when most investigations focused on crimes already committed, "but that again is something that we are going to have to accept," McCarthy says.

Allison Barrie, a security and terrorism consultant and a FOXNews.com contributor, agrees on the difficulties. "The evidence [in these trials] is always at its best at the 11th hour," she says. Waiting until the last moment is dangerous, but "you've got to weigh that against actually getting that prosecution."

• Click here to read Barrie's latest Security Barrier column.

So far, that strategy has been decisive in preventing another attack on the scale of Sept. 11. "We've just been plain lucky," Barrie says.

And intelligence work hasn't prevented smaller attacks from being carried out.

On July 4, 2002, Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian national, opened fire at the El Al ticket counter at LAX, killing two people before a security guard killed him.

That same ticket counter later would be targeted by those L.A. gas station robbers, a homegrown terrorist group with roots in a California prison.

Homegrown groups often are difficult to detect, and the California cell was not found through careful intelligence work; the LAPD stumbled on them by accident. They might never have been discovered.

"The cliché is true," Barrie says. "Terrorists only have to be lucky once, but the good guys have to be lucky every time."
 

Steve

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fff
But if you look, you'll see that most are "accused" not convicted, at least of terrorism charges.

Your pointing out what conservatives have been saying for along time now.. the Law enforcement approach to terrorism is extremely difficult..

either you let them carry out the act and convict them, or you prevent the terrorism,.. and risk trying an extremely difficult case..

Who can judge what is in the mind of an Islamic extremist?

Can they be convicted for hate, absent an act of terror?

We can fight them with Bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan,.. or with lawyers, on our soil, and pray we get every one before that one fateful time they succeed..

our justice system has not the ability or the capacity to accept the challenge of what evil lies in the mind of a radical islamic terrorists..

fff if conviction is so important to you over prevention, you might ask yourself.,... how do you convict a suicide bomber?
 

Triangle Bar

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Goodpasture Wrote:
but then they don't have to have anyone come here to kill Americans.....we send our kids over there..

Exactly, we took the fight to the enemy and we didn't have to fight them on our own soil. So far they have bought into this and have been going to Afghan. & Iraq to fight our troops.

I know my friends your response will be "there was no Al'Qaida in Iraq" before we invaded. When we attacked Afghanistan many of the rats scurried out of the country. Some went to Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq. Let me remind you we are fighting a war on terrorism not just one cell of it. Iraq under Saddam was sponsoring terrorism. Paying Pallestinian Terrorists a bounty for every son who martyred and murdered by suicide bomb. Allowing terrorist training camps to operate on his soil, don't tell me the camp just south of Baghdad feature the 737 airplane was just an amusement park.

Goodpasture President Bush never claimed to be the messiah, just a man saved by grace and following his conscience to protect our union.
 
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Triangle Bar said:
Goodpasture Wrote:
but then they don't have to have anyone come here to kill Americans.....we send our kids over there..

Exactly, we took the fight to the enemy and we didn't have to fight them on our own soil. So far they have bought into this and have been going to Afghan. & Iraq to fight our troops.

I know my friends your response will be "there was no Al'Qaida in Iraq" before we invaded. When we attacked Afghanistan many of the rats scurried out of the country. Some went to Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq. Let me remind you we are fighting a war on terrorism not just one cell of it. Iraq under Saddam was sponsoring terrorism. Paying Pallestinian Terrorists a bounty for every son who martyred and murdered by suicide bomb. Allowing terrorist training camps to operate on his soil, don't tell me the camp just south of Baghdad feature the 737 airplane was just an amusement park.

Goodpasture President Bush never claimed to be the messiah, just a man saved by grace and following his conscience to protect our union.

Is that what you call it- when you throw out the Constitution and refuse to obey the countries laws and close the border to illegal invaders and prosecute those that illegally enter our country and those that hire them as you swore an oath to do :???:

Folks might actually believe his efforts were to protect the US homeland and home folks if he was doing what hes supposed to, to protect our borders.....

GW's only oath that means anything to his conscience was the one he swore to the globalist corporate world and his rich elitist buddies.....
 

Triangle Bar

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Oldtimer, you are absolutely right about the border. I can't explain the president's in-action about closing the border except as you assert his corporate friends need cheap (slave)labor. :(
 

woranch

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Oldtimer said:
Triangle Bar said:
Goodpasture Wrote:
but then they don't have to have anyone come here to kill Americans.....we send our kids over there..

Exactly, we took the fight to the enemy and we didn't have to fight them on our own soil. So far they have bought into this and have been going to Afghan. & Iraq to fight our troops.

I know my friends your response will be "there was no Al'Qaida in Iraq" before we invaded. When we attacked Afghanistan many of the rats scurried out of the country. Some went to Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq. Let me remind you we are fighting a war on terrorism not just one cell of it. Iraq under Saddam was sponsoring terrorism. Paying Pallestinian Terrorists a bounty for every son who martyred and murdered by suicide bomb. Allowing terrorist training camps to operate on his soil, don't tell me the camp just south of Baghdad feature the 737 airplane was just an amusement park.

Goodpasture President Bush never claimed to be the messiah, just a man saved by grace and following his conscience to protect our union.

Is that what you call it- when you throw out the Constitution and refuse to obey the countries laws and close the border to illegal invaders and prosecute those that illegally enter our country and those that hire them as you swore an oath to do :???:

Folks might actually believe his efforts were to protect the US homeland and home folks if he was doing what hes supposed to, to protect our borders.....

GW's only oath that means anything to his conscience was the one he swore to the globalist corporate world and his rich elitist buddies.....



After 4 years of Obama you might like GW and his
rich elitist buddies... :lol: :lol:
 

Goodpasture

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woranch said:
After 4 years of Obama you might like GW and his
rich elitist buddies... :lol: :lol:
More likely we will regret the waste of money and time that GW and those buddies inflicted on us.........
 

Cal

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Steve said:
fff
But if you look, you'll see that most are "accused" not convicted, at least of terrorism charges.

Your pointing out what conservatives have been saying for along time now.. the Law enforcement approach to terrorism is extremely difficult..

either you let them carry out the act and convict them, or you prevent the terrorism,.. and risk trying an extremely difficult case..

Who can judge what is in the mind of an Islamic extremist?

Can they be convicted for hate, absent an act of terror?

We can fight them with Bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan,.. or with lawyers, on our soil, and pray we get every one before that one fateful time they succeed..

our justice system has not the ability or the capacity to accept the challenge of what evil lies in the mind of a radical islamic terrorists..

fff if conviction is so important to you over prevention, you might ask yourself.,... how do you convict a suicide bomber?
I totally agree, but I think that it's time to let the individual states decide by voting if they want protection from terrorist activity or not. I really hate seeing people enjoying safety that don't want it and don't appreciate it.
 

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