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ND Official Urges USDA to Give Customers What They Want
USAgNet - 02/06/2006

Agriculture Commissioner Roger Johnson is urging the federal government to rethink its strategy for regaining the market for U.S. beef in Japan.

"I have asked U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns to let U.S. packers voluntarily test all beef they export to Japan for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE)," Johnson said Friday. "Our best hope for regaining our beef markets in Japan is to give the customers what they want."

Johnson said U.S. policy has failed because USDA has treated the matter as a public health issue, not a marketing issue.

"USDA's approach of continually browbeating the Japanese government into taking a product which is viewed with suspicion by the Japanese consumers has now resulted in even further erosion of Japanese consumer confidence in U.S. beef," Johnson told Johanns. "Let's give our customers what they want. That has always been the key to success in any business."

Johnson said that in his opinion U.S. beef is the safest in the world, and that Japanese consumers will eventually come to that conclusion too.

"As we restore Japanese consumer confidence, they will eventually quit offering to pay any premium associated with 100 percent testing, and our U.S. beef exporters will have that market back because we will have demonstrated to their satisfaction that our product is safe," he said.

Several U.S. packing companies, including Kansas-based Creekstone Farms, have sought to regain the Japanese market by offering beef that is 100 percent tested for bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), but USDA has refused to allow the expanded testing on the grounds that such testing would have a negligible public heath benefit.
 

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OT, Why would a government official be trying to push this when we have no proof of the fact that Japan would even accept tested beef?

Is this an attempt by you to create controversy? :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Mike said:
OT, Why would a government official be trying to push this when we have no proof of the fact that Japan would even accept tested beef?

Is this an attempt by you to create controversy? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Must be,surely this would be a waste of time & money :wink: ...........good luck
 

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For you guys hung up on testing, what would happen if US companies tested all beef but Japan still received spinal material in the shipment?
 

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Jason said:
For you guys hung up on testing, what would happen if US companies tested all beef but Japan still received spinal material in the shipment?

They would send it back to your farm, Jason.
 

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Jason said:
For you guys hung up on testing, what would happen if US companies tested all beef but Japan still received spinal material in the shipment?

It would further insure the USDA's incompetence.
 

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Does no one think the company screwed up? They sent the neck plates, they were the ones that should have known where the shipment was heading. The USDA inspector could have caught the mistake if the company had a process in place that told each person boxing the product where it was going.

The simple truth is we don't know the whole process or who actually messed up.

Did the Japanese customer "bait" them by ordering a banned product?

Whatever the cause the result is the same.

Canada has been more cautious about making sure mistakes don't happen with SRM's. You can't lay responsibility like that on one person. People make mistakes. The system needs to have checks to catch human error.
 
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Jason said:
Did the Japanese customer "bait" them by ordering a banned product?

MRJ's black helicopters are straying north now -Eh ?
 

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Jason said:
Does no one think the company screwed up? They sent the neck plates, they were the ones that should have known where the shipment was heading. The USDA inspector could have caught the mistake if the company had a process in place that told each person boxing the product where it was going.

The simple truth is we don't know the whole process or who actually messed up.

Did the Japanese customer "bait" them by ordering a banned product?

Whatever the cause the result is the same.

Canada has been more cautious about making sure mistakes don't happen with SRM's. You can't lay responsibility like that on one person. People make mistakes. The system needs to have checks to catch human error.

Maybe the USDA should have really inspected it instead of rubber stamping it.
 

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Does no one think the company screwed up?

Jason, I am really surprised at your response here. Do you really think a bunch of packer blamers would find fault in the packer? :lol: :lol:

Yes, the company screwed up as well. But as Johanns pointed out, the ultimate responsibility was with the USDA inspectors. Makes one wonder if meat is really inspected as well as it should be. :???:

These "MISSING LINK" finalists are going to be the nails in our coffin if they don't get their act together soon. When the public catches onto their games the demand for beef will fall faster than a prom dress in a cheap motel.
 

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More baseless talk from the peanut gallery.

The USDA inspector likely DID inspect the actual box. However if it was as some reports suggest, labeled for California shipment, why would he flag it?

Other reports say the Japanese customer ordered neck plates. Did that customer know those would be prohibited products? Maybe not. It could have been a honest mistake, but the company should known they couldn't send that product.

Ignorance of the law is not a defence.

It is telling how USDA is the only bad guy here, (according to those blamers), when a bad evil corporation is involved too. If it had been Tyson or Cargill imagine the outcry. What a crock when you pick and choose issues and don't spread even requirements.
 
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To me Johanns acceptance of the blame is the most praiseworthy thing about him that has happened in the whole fiasco...I have to give him an "atta boy" for that.....

When you are the watchdog and a fox gets in the chicken house during your watch- it is your fault...Johanns is the head watchdog....

Remember what Truman said "The buck stops here"...
 

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Jason said:
More baseless talk from the peanut gallery.

The USDA inspector likely DID inspect the actual box. However if it was as some reports suggest, labeled for California shipment, why would he flag it?

Other reports say the Japanese customer ordered neck plates. Did that customer know those would be prohibited products? Maybe not. It could have been a honest mistake, but the company should known they couldn't send that product.

Ignorance of the law is not a defence.

It is telling how USDA is the only bad guy here, (according to those blamers), when a bad evil corporation is involved too. If it had been Tyson or Cargill imagine the outcry. What a crock when you pick and choose issues and don't spread even requirements.


Consistently, the USDA has maintained that it alone can do the BSE testing and that Creekstone could not sell to its Japanese customers with this testing. Why should we lump all producers in the same group when it is really the USDA that is forcing everyone to be in the same group with no BSE testing? If the USDA wants to maintain that authority, then they should be responsible for those decisions. Having a Canadian packer backer tell the U.S. producer how to handle their business makes me really question who is running the USDA. It certainly isn't being run in the interests of producers.
 

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You didn't address anything in the post but diverted again to BSE testing being controlled by the USDA.

IF you are right and the USDA has messed up BSE testing to the detriment of the producers how could you trust private companies with vested monetary interests to do a better job?

Here is where your pick and choose mentality fails for all to see. If packers are corrupt as you paint them, how can they be trusted with an issue like BSE?
 
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Jason: "Here is where your pick and choose mentality fails for all to see. If packers are corrupt as you paint them, how can they be trusted with an issue like BSE?"

Or to properly ID meat without an enforceable traceback system on the cattle the beef came from???

Same damn hypocrisy!


~SH~
 

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Jason said:
Did the Japanese customer "bait" them by ordering a banned product?

MRJ's black helicopters are straying north now -Eh ?

Fact is (and I know how you hate facts, but they do pop up frequently to spoil things for you) there was a New Yorker who stood up before hundreds of people at the membership meetings in Denver and said "the Japanese customer ordered that specific cut of veal". The seller, believing that it was legitimate, provided WHAT THE CUSTOMER ASKED FOR. Apparently he helicopters didn't make it through security at the convention.

MRJ
 

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~SH~ said:
Jason: "Here is where your pick and choose mentality fails for all to see. If packers are corrupt as you paint them, how can they be trusted with an issue like BSE?"

Or to properly ID meat without an enforceable traceback system on the cattle the beef came from???

Same damn hypocrisy!
~SH~

OK, NO "Cheerleaders" or "Tag Teams" allowed! :wink:

For informational uses only: Creekstone's plan was to use an in house screening process that utilized fully trained and USDA approved technicians and would be under the supervision of "Paid" USDA employees. All of Creekstone's cattle are "Source Verified" through "AngusSource", among other programs.

Creekstone also wanted to be able to ship cattle in from Canada for the BSE tested regimen.
 
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Creekstone also admitted their tests would not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 24 months of age. They were selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".


~SH~
 

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mj...Fact is (and I know how you hate facts, but they do pop up frequently to spoil things for you) there was a New Yorker who stood up before hundreds of people at the membership meetings in Denver and said "the Japanese customer ordered that specific cut of veal".

Was this New Yorker the one who sent the specific cut mj?

The fact is the company, Atlantic Veal & Lamb, should have known the regulations and requirements on exporting to Japan. Also the government inspector at the plant should have known that veal hotel rack is a cut that contains backbone.
What if the Japanese customer would have ordered a hooker to go along with the shipment, would they have sent it as well?
 

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~SH~ said:
Creekstone also admitted their tests would not reveal BSE prions in cattle under 24 months of age. They were selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".
~SH~

Can you supply that quote?

I think Econ101 has driven you to the brink of insanity.

:???:
 

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