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Testing For Food Safety

Mike

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http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthissues/factsbehindissues/bse/

Ok. For those that have stated that BSE testing is NOT a "Food Safety Measure", read this and tell me that the testing is not being considered as such.

"Since November 2005, another control, the BSE testing of older animals was introduced. It means that cattle aged over 30 months at slaughter are allowed into the food chain only if they test negative for BSE. Testing helps to protect consumers from BSE because any animals found to be positive will be removed and destroyed.

From 1996 until November 2005 cattle aged over thirty months were simply banned from entering the food chain. This ban was replaced by BSE testing because, with the marked decline in BSE and the introduction of BSE testing, the risk from UK cattle born after August 1996 is now very low."
 

Murgen

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Exactly, test OTM, not UTM.

If it's very low Europe, wonder what it is in NA?

Maybe they will even start eating SRM's again, on the tested ones.
 

Sandhusker

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Murgen said:
Exactly, test OTM, not UTM.

If it's very low Europe, wonder what it is in NA?

Maybe they will even start eating SRM's again, on the tested ones.

You bring up a point, Murgen. If the test is one that can be counted on, the SRMs would be usable for something. One would then have to balance the $20 for the test with the value of the salvaged SRMs.
 

Murgen

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Which also brings up another point, if thats the case, why hasn't anybody done that yet?

SRM removal is the most soundproof way to make sure BSE is removed and is not spread any further, not testing.

If you are going to test as an additional safeguard in OTM, it is just that, additional and SRM removal should still be carried out.
 

Mike

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SRM removal is the most soundproof way to make sure BSE is removed and is not spread any further, not testing.

Murgen that statement contradicts what the article I posted says.

"Testing helps to protect consumers from BSE because any animals found to be positive will be removed and destroyed. "

Thing is.........I don't trust all those yahoo's at the slaughter facilities to start with. If you truly think that every piece of Nerve andLlymphoid tissue is carefully removed. I have some "Ocean Front Property" in Alberta to sell you.

Just think about the logistics of this.
 

Econ101

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Murgen said:
Which also brings up another point, if thats the case, why hasn't anybody done that yet?

SRM removal is the most soundproof way to make sure BSE is removed and is not spread any further, not testing.

If you are going to test as an additional safeguard in OTM, it is just that, additional and SRM removal should still be carried out.

They are not allowed to in the U.S. because sec. Johanns has a penchant for bending over for the big packers.
 
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Mike said:
SRM removal is the most soundproof way to make sure BSE is removed and is not spread any further, not testing.



Thing is.........I don't trust all those yahoo's at the slaughter facilities to start with. If you truly think that every piece of Nerve andLlymphoid tissue is carefully removed. I have some "Ocean Front Property" in Alberta to sell you.

I have never seen it done- but my old vet buddy has watched the slaughterhouses in action and he described SRM removal as "playing Russian Roulette with a sixshooter with 3 rounds in the gun"... Better than nothing, but not what you'd want to bet your life on..... Reason he buys his beef straight off the farm from people he knows doesn't feed a bunch of junk to them.....
 

Murgen

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Thing is.........I don't trust all those yahoo's at the slaughter facilities to start with. If you truly think that every piece of Nerve andLlymphoid tissue is carefully removed. I have some "Ocean Front Property" in Alberta to sell you.

But you'd trust them to test, and discard a carcass?
 

Econ101

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Murgen said:
Thing is.........I don't trust all those yahoo's at the slaughter facilities to start with. If you truly think that every piece of Nerve andLlymphoid tissue is carefully removed. I have some "Ocean Front Property" in Alberta to sell you.

But you'd trust them to test, and discard a carcass?

If the USDA was worried about that happening, they should beef up their BSE surveillance, not ditch it, Murgen. More private testing for BSE will not decrease the safety of U.S. beef, Japan even believes it will increase it.

This whole bse thing is a packer policy gone awry. Too bad your govt. had to pay Tyson 49 million dollars for it. Talk about stupidity on stupidity.

Of course we all know that was the underhanded bribe Canada had to pay to get their boxed beef into the U.S. with the USDA's blessing.

What a shakedown.

And you are not even upset about it.
 

Mike

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Murgen said:
Thing is.........I don't trust all those yahoo's at the slaughter facilities to start with. If you truly think that every piece of Nerve andLlymphoid tissue is carefully removed. I have some "Ocean Front Property" in Alberta to sell you.

But you'd trust them to test, and discard a carcass?

I wouldn't think the same people who remove SRM's would be the ones doing the testing. There would be some accountability in testing, I would think.

Have you been to a large packing plant lately? Ever?
 

Murgen

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Previously, cattle parts only made up about 5% of the total feed of cattle, but this small amount enabled better growth. Now that it is gone, cattle farmers must now somehow increase the protein content to achieve the same growth rates and have begun using soy as a replacement. Soy happens to be toxic to cattle livers.

The increased sales have also dramatically increased Monsanto, Inc.'s stock price. Monsanto is the main producer of soy protein used in the feed.

Here's another conspiracy theory to build on guys!
 

Econ101

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Murgen said:
Previously, cattle parts only made up about 5% of the total feed of cattle, but this small amount enabled better growth. Now that it is gone, cattle farmers must now somehow increase the protein content to achieve the same growth rates and have begun using soy as a replacement. Soy happens to be toxic to cattle livers.

The increased sales have also dramatically increased Monsanto, Inc.'s stock price. Monsanto is the main producer of soy protein used in the feed.

Here's another conspiracy theory to build on guys!

Soy is poisonous to us too, if it is not cooked.

Usually it is the pelletizing that does the cooking but there are other methods.

Soy has been a main protein source for grain fed cattle for some time, Murgen, why are just now telling them this? :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Murgen

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And another:

The Money Trail

Critical scientists like Purdey are unlikely to prevail. The pharmaceutical industry holds most research purse strings, and would hardly energetically explore an avenue of research that could expose them to litigation for causing BSE. The official theory is lavishly funded, alternative theories rarely, if at all.

There are more explosive implications to his -and other's latest research. Purdey says similar organophosphate-induced protein deformation could also underlie Alzheimer's disease. If that were true, the litigation fallout would destroy some pharmaceutical giants, and a lot of very influential noses would be out of joint.

Disturbingly, Purdey and other brain researchers seem to have had an undue share of unfortunate accidents. Purdey's house was burned down and his lawyer who was working with him on Mad Cow Disease was driven off the road by another vehicle and subsequently died. The veterinarian on the case also died in a car crash -locally reported as: 'Mystery Vet Death Riddle.'

Dr. C. Bruton, a CJD specialist -- who had just produced a paper on a new strain of CJD -- was killed in a car crash before his work was announced to the public. Purdey speculates that Bruton might have known more than what was revealed in his last scientific paper.

In 1996, leading Alzheimer's researcher Tsunao Saitoh, 46 and his 13 -year-old daughter were killed in La Jolla, California, in what a Reuters report described as a "very professionally done" shooting.

What Alzheimer's Disease, Mad Cow Disease, and CJ Disease have in common, is abnormal brain proteins and a putative link to organophosphates. Even Gulf War syndrome among returning veterans has been attributed, in part to the insecticide. But the sidelined scientists' suspicions are still largely ignored.

In their favour at the moment, is a growing unease on the part of the public. As BSE forges on and Governments panic, Science may be out to lunch on BSE, compromised by bovine spongythinking myopathy.
 

Mike

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Reader, go down and look at the Blood Test Cashman is working on.

He may actually get this one through the hoops?
 

Mike

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reader (the Second) said:
Mike said:
Reader, go down and look at the Blood Test Cashman is working on.

He may actually get this one through the hoops?

Cashman is a wonderful and interesting guy. Trained as an immunologist and then became an immunologist. I'll post the article about PrioNet in Canada which he apparently leads -- funding five different areas of research related to TSEs.

I think Ron has posted about him here with the same admiration.
 

Murgen

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But the official indifference that has been adopted by the Canadian Establishment towards its ailing rural communities is rapidly reversed into a state of enthusiastic co-operation when you witness them launching any kind of venture with the multinational corporates. Yet I believe it is the corporates who are forging a lucrative business out of BSE. They need people to be scared of BSE, in order to create a climate where they can market their multi billion pound packages of ‘live cow BSE tests’, BSE-resistant GM cows, or, better still, replace the world’s ‘dangerously infected’ meat and milk protein supply with their own genetically modified package of chemically grown, sterile GM arable protein crops (soya, etc) – guaranteed to be free of ‘dangerous’ pathogens

Maybe this is only a conspiracy theory too, but some on this site hang their hat on it, so why is it so hard to believe we are being deceived on the true cause of BSE, CJD and other TSE's?

Whilst we clearly need to investigate and eradicate this horrendous disease – simply because of the terror that it must impose upon its poor victims - we can only begin to achieve this by identifying and accepting the disease’s true cause.

Prusiner and others know only too well, that they had to create their first generation misfolded prions in the lab in the first place. This transformation from healthy prion protein to misfolded prion protein did not simply happen on its own accord. For many scientific teams have produced these misfolded prions in the lab, but they have had to expose them to sound waves and metals / chemicals in order to induce a stable conformational alteration of the prion protein – the very prerequisites that I have been hypothesising to act as the primary environmental initiators that cause TSEs

http://www.purdeyenvironment.com/Maple%20Grief%202%20.htm
 

Econ101

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This just passed at Marconi:

Extraordinary General Meeting Results

London-21 December 2005-Marconi Corporation plc (London: MONI and NASDAQ: MRCIY) (the 'Company') today announces the results of the poll taken at an Extraordinary General Meeting, held earlier today in respect of the resolutions set out in the circular to shareholders dated 25 November 2005 (the 'Circular'):

To amend the Company's Articles of Association giving the Directors the power to require the transfer of shares held by US persons to non-US persons and including arbitration, exclusive jurisdiction and English governing law provisions 112,985,414 97.81 2,527,223 2.19 3,160
 
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