Oldtimer said:There now- another thing you can thank GW for...
Prior to GW there was no Dept of Homeland Security- but thanks to GW he combined all or portions of 187 agencies and Departments ( including some aspects of Health and Human Services) into the biggest and most powerful bureaucracy this country has ever seen...
And if you remember- the tax cuts didn't slow down GW either- he just kept saying "charge it"...And if you protested that spending- you were proclaimed unAmerican and unpatriotic...
So now they have Zillions $ to tell the Larrry's of the world not to eat raw turkey- or how not to burn down your house with hot oil turkey cookers... :wink: :lol:
Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:There now- another thing you can thank GW for...
Prior to GW there was no Dept of Homeland Security- but thanks to GW he combined all or portions of 187 agencies and Departments ( including some aspects of Health and Human Services) into the biggest and most powerful bureaucracy this country has ever seen...
And if you remember- the tax cuts didn't slow down GW either- he just kept saying "charge it"...And if you protested that spending- you were proclaimed unAmerican and unpatriotic...
So now they have Zillions $ to tell the Larrry's of the world not to eat raw turkey- or how not to burn down your house with hot oil turkey cookers... :wink: :lol:
you are so right oldtimer!! :shock: and we have obama to thank for doubling down on that losing hand don't we? :x
Can you just admit it, just once?
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/homeland-security-turkey-fryer/2011/11/22/id/418903“Use turkey fryers outdoors at a safe distance f/ buildings,” tweeted DHS. “Never use turkey fryers in a garage or on a wooden deck.”
Oldtimer said:There now- another thing you can thank GW for...
Prior to GW there was no Dept of Homeland Security- but thanks to GW he combined all or portions of 187 agencies and Departments ( including some aspects of Health and Human Services) into the biggest and most powerful bureaucracy this country has ever seen...
And if you remember- the tax cuts didn't slow down GW either- he just kept saying "charge it"...And if you protested that spending- you were proclaimed unAmerican and unpatriotic...
So now they have Zillions $ to tell the Larrry's of the world not to eat raw turkey- or how not to burn down your house with hot oil turkey cookers... :wink: :lol:
Under Obama Homeland Security has moved into advising on cooking of turkeys. :roll: And people wonder why people don't trust the Obama Government's overreach of power. :roll:Homeland security is officially defined by the National Strategy for Homeland Security as "a concerted national effort to prevent terrorist attacks within the United States, reduce America's vulnerability to terrorism, and minimize the damage and recover from attacks that do occur".
Hours earlier, the bill cleared the Senate on a 72-23 vote, with 19 Democrats and four Republicans voting no, mostly over concerns the Patriot Act violates personal privacy and civil liberties.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55803.html#ixzz1eel2LERU
Oldtimer said:Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:There now- another thing you can thank GW for...
Prior to GW there was no Dept of Homeland Security- but thanks to GW he combined all or portions of 187 agencies and Departments ( including some aspects of Health and Human Services) into the biggest and most powerful bureaucracy this country has ever seen...
And if you remember- the tax cuts didn't slow down GW either- he just kept saying "charge it"...And if you protested that spending- you were proclaimed unAmerican and unpatriotic...
So now they have Zillions $ to tell the Larrry's of the world not to eat raw turkey- or how not to burn down your house with hot oil turkey cookers... :wink: :lol:
you are so right oldtimer!! :shock: and we have obama to thank for doubling down on that losing hand don't we? :x
Can you just admit it, just once?
I agree that Obama hasn't gotten rid of Homeland Security (which will probably never happen since its so politically powerful because of its size-altho Senator Testor has been fighting hard to do away with the Patriot Act that gives them much of the power, but with little success) but Obama darn sure hasn't doubled it.....
Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:Lonecowboy said:you are so right oldtimer!! :shock: and we have obama to thank for doubling down on that losing hand don't we? :x
Can you just admit it, just once?
I agree that Obama hasn't gotten rid of Homeland Security (which will probably never happen since its so politically powerful because of its size-altho Senator Testor has been fighting hard to do away with the Patriot Act that gives them much of the power, but with little success) but Obama darn sure hasn't doubled it.....
I was talking about obama doubling down on spending and national debt oldtimer- "charge it"
Can you admit obama has overspent and overcharged all by himself
( with the aid of pelosi, reid, tester, et al) without making excuses- that it is obama's and both democrat controlled House and senate that did it?
Oldtimer said:Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:I agree that Obama hasn't gotten rid of Homeland Security (which will probably never happen since its so politically powerful because of its size-altho Senator Testor has been fighting hard to do away with the Patriot Act that gives them much of the power, but with little success) but Obama darn sure hasn't doubled it.....
I was talking about obama doubling down on spending and national debt oldtimer- "charge it"
Can you admit obama has overspent and overcharged all by himself
( with the aid of pelosi, reid, tester, et al) without making excuses- that it is obama's and both democrat controlled House and senate that did it?
I'll agree they spent huge sums of money on the Stimulus and the Health Care Reform bill- both of which we may not see if they were successful for years or decades...
But I thought the thread was on the Patriot Act- and Homeland Security which GW rushed thru Congress when the nation was in panic and hysteria- and created the biggest bureaucracy in US government history... That will probably never be able to be undone..
Which I would think that you-- the "Constitution as your Bible" thumper- would be screaming about from the rooftops as it took away more civil liberties in one stroke of the pen than any other administration at least going back as far as FDR...But even his WWII edicts were temporary- whereas I think Homeland Security is here to stay forever...
Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:Lonecowboy said:I was talking about obama doubling down on spending and national debt oldtimer- "charge it"
Can you admit obama has overspent and overcharged all by himself
( with the aid of pelosi, reid, tester, et al) without making excuses- that it is obama's and both democrat controlled House and senate that did it?
I'll agree they spent huge sums of money on the Stimulus and the Health Care Reform bill- both of which we may not see if they were successful for years or decades...
But I thought the thread was on the Patriot Act- and Homeland Security which GW rushed thru Congress when the nation was in panic and hysteria- and created the biggest bureaucracy in US government history... That will probably never be able to be undone..
Which I would think that you-- the "Constitution as your Bible" thumper- would be screaming about from the rooftops as it took away more civil liberties in one stroke of the pen than any other administration at least going back as far as FDR...But even his WWII edicts were temporary- whereas I think Homeland Security is here to stay forever...
the patriot act is most definatley unconstitutional and IMO the most dissapointing thing George W Bush did- spending way too much money was second. there are lots of things that need undone- where to start??
oh but the democrat controlled congress and obama have reupped the patriot act too- lets not forget eh? both sides and parties are to blame but you seem to forget that and put it all on Bush's and R's shoulders. man up oldtimer and call obama and his band of liberal pukes what they are to- a detriment to America and enemies of our constitution.
Oldtimer said:Lonecowboy said:Oldtimer said:I'll agree they spent huge sums of money on the Stimulus and the Health Care Reform bill- both of which we may not see if they were successful for years or decades...
But I thought the thread was on the Patriot Act- and Homeland Security which GW rushed thru Congress when the nation was in panic and hysteria- and created the biggest bureaucracy in US government history... That will probably never be able to be undone..
Which I would think that you-- the "Constitution as your Bible" thumper- would be screaming about from the rooftops as it took away more civil liberties in one stroke of the pen than any other administration at least going back as far as FDR...But even his WWII edicts were temporary- whereas I think Homeland Security is here to stay forever...
the patriot act is most definatley unconstitutional and IMO the most dissapointing thing George W Bush did- spending way too much money was second. there are lots of things that need undone- where to start??
oh but the democrat controlled congress and obama have reupped the patriot act too- lets not forget eh? both sides and parties are to blame but you seem to forget that and put it all on Bush's and R's shoulders. man up oldtimer and call obama and his band of liberal pukes what they are to- a detriment to America and enemies of our constitution.
So- seems you don't like Liberal "pukes" or RINO "pukes" or "moderate pukes" or ""--which means you disapprove of about 90% of D.C.-- :
Lonecowboy said:So oldtimer- how is it again that you can ignore the unconstitutional actions of obama and his crew?